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Tim Cook: 'Android is Like Europe', Many Different Things Under One Name

petvas said:
Without Greece you would still be eating with your bare hands. Greece is the cradle of democracy and civilization as we know it.
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Not really, we owe our democracy and civilization to an 18th century movement called the Age of Enlightenment. Those philosophers developed an idealized fantasy of what greek culture was supposed to have been derived from very old books. Only the Roman Empire had direct contact with ancient Greeks and took over some of their gods and culture, but that was lost when the empire fell. What we did learn from the old Greeks however was mathematics and science, which was arguably much more important than any cultural impact.
ArcaneDevice said:
America had nothing to do with any aspect of the nomenclature or derivations of the name of Europe. Nothing. At. All.
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Ironically Europe had very much to do with naming really everything on earth, including America. If we wanted we could have sticked with calling you India. North India and South India. The United States of India. U.S.I. 😀
 
Gudi said:
Not really, we owe our democracy and civilization to an 18th century movement called the Age of Enlightenment. Those philosophers developed an idealized fantasy of what greek culture was supposed to have been derived from very old books. Only the Roman Empire had direct contact with ancient Greeks and took over some of their gods and culture, but that was lost when the empire fell. What we did learn from the old Greeks however was mathematics and science, which was arguably much more important than any cultural impact.

Ironically Europe had very much to do with naming really everything on earth, including America. If we wanted we could have sticked with calling you India. North India and South India. The United States of India. U.S.I. 😀
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
 
holydude said:
Yes and the democracy in europe is really working. With 1000000000 of political parties.

KTHXBYE

It is really like linux distros...we have so many of em that none of them is working properly.
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This is irrelevant. I was just pointing out that democracy comes from Greece. I didn't comment if it's a good thing or not.
 
petvas said:
This is irrelevant. I was just pointing out that democracy comes from Greece. I didn't comment if it's a good thing or not.
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In your original post you was pointing out that without Greece we would not have a democracy 😉 and my point is that it have not worked then and it is certainly not working now and is surely not the best form of government.
 
Tim Cook: 'Android is Like Europe', Many Different Things Under One Name

holydude said:
In your original post you was pointing out that without Greece we would not have a democracy 😉
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No, I was pointing out that we would probably be barbarians with no culture at all.

Of course though, without Ancient Greece humanity would find a way to develop culture. There were many other great civilizations. I was just exaggerating because I wanted to make my point how ignorant people can be about Europe...
 
petvas said:
This is irrelevant. I was just pointing out that democracy comes from Greece.
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Democracy is like Europe, many things under the same name. Our parliamentary system doesn't come from Greece. If anything it comes from the United Kingdom and the French Revolution.
 
cube said:
Since when is Costa Rica in North America??
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Since forever. It's part of Central America, which is part of the North American continent, not the South American one.

It is part of Latin America. But Latin America =/ South America
 
lovewd said:
Wow, I am both an android and apple fan, and I have to say, Tim Cook was so right when he said this! The amount of fragmentation in android is ridiculous, and the fact that so many companies all have there different versions is annoying too. When it comes to computers though, I don't think macs will ever only be the only computers people use, due to the fact that not everyone has just $1,000 laying around for one. Overall this was a great thing that Tim Cook said, because it was so accurate
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Why is this a bad thing?

Should there not be many different types of:

Car to buy
Pants to buy
HiFi systems to buy
TV Sets to buy
Watches to buy
Houses to buy
Food to buy
Hairstyles to choose from
Perfume to choose from
Holidays to select from

You name it, there is a wide choice.

Funny how Apple folks actually use "Less Choice" in a positive manner.
 
nocturnum said:
Americans tend to forget that they come from Europe (probably poor knowledge of history). Their ancestors left Europe in search for better life, though what they have know isn't exactly better and most certainly far below European average. In this view, we should offer compassion and understanding to many Americans, who not only live in complete ignorance, but are also able to connect the wealth of one corporation to their personal success, not to mention national greatness.

Besides, I think Apple is under momentum of past right now and the cracks are already showing. Tim Cook may be a good manager, but his children (playboy Ive especially) went out of control since Adolf Jobs passed away. This should be something of increased interest to him.
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??? The standard of living in the US is higher on average than in the EU. According to the UN we are #3. Norway is #1 and Australia is #2. Neither are in the EU, though Norway is in "Europe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Human_Development_Index

Australia and Norway are mineral-rich countries with relatively small populations. Similarly, North Dakota has the lowest unemployment rate in the US.

Anyway, Tim Coom wasn't disparaging the EU or Europe. He was saying that it is wrong to view Android a single monolithic entity, just as it is wrong to view Europe as a single monolithic entity. Both terms are convenient umbrellas for diverse collections of entities that share some traits in common but are as different as they are similar.
 
holydude said:
Yes and the democracy in europe is really working. With 1000000000 of political parties.
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If that's what people vote, that's democracy at work. What do you suggest, outlawing some of them until you have a small number? Which number, 5? 2? Or 1, like many "democratic" countries do.
 
KPOM said:
??? The standard of living in the US is higher on average than in the EU. According to the UN we are #3. Norway is #1 and Australia is #2. Neither are in the EU, though Norway is in "Europe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Human_Development_Index

Australia and Norway are mineral-rich countries with relatively small populations. Similarly, North Dakota has the lowest unemployment rate in the US.

Anyway, Tim Coom wasn't disparaging the EU or Europe. He was saying that it is wrong to view Android a single monolithic entity, just as it is wrong to view Europe as a single monolithic entity. Both terms are convenient umbrellas for diverse collections of entities that share some traits in common but are as different as they are similar.
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Average salary in poorest state in US is 8 times higher than average salary in poorest europeans countries. Do the math.

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bsolar said:
If that's what people vote, that's democracy at work. What do you suggest, outlawing some of them until you have a small number? Which number, 5? 2? Or 1, like many "democratic" countries do.
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That's not people's democracy. People are sheeps and they need shepherd. These parties are only exploiting them.
 
holydude said:
Yes and the democracy in europe is really working. With 1000000000 of political parties.

KTHXBYE
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Ehhhh? It's not like we vote for a party to rule "europe" - of course between many different smaller countries with different cultures and languages there'd be a lot of different parties. In most countries it's still between 2 or 3 parties (with a real chance of power) tops, but each country's parties have little (if anything) to do with the ones in other countries.

There are problems with the systems here in Europe, but that's not one of them.
 
This thread is becoming a political one.

Democracy is a good political system for populations whose political leaders and majority who actually win elections, don't want others dead or slaves and are honest.

Why he said what he said?
Obviously not to show his knowledge on how the word Europe was created.
A crappy attempt to pull a "reality distortion" mind trick, that went awfully wrong.

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petvas said:
No, I was pointing out that we would probably be barbarians with no culture at all.
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Barbarians was the greek word for anyone having another culture than them. So basically all foreigners. Ancient Greece was a slave holder society. Greek democracy was for greek citizens only, not for the slaves. So Greece was a democracy in the way the south-african apartheid regime was a democracy. Also no woman voting rights or anything, woman weren't even allowed leave the house without escort.
 
holydude said:
That's not people's democracy. People are sheeps and they need shepherd. These parties are only exploiting them.
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I fail to understand your definition of people's democracy. Do you suggest that in a representative democracy citizens should not be allowed to chose which parties represent them? Then who decides that?
 
Gudi said:
So Greece was a democracy in the way the south-african apartheid regime was a democracy. Also no woman voting rights or anything, woman weren't even allowed leave the house without escort.
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That's if you evaluate it with today's standards, which is pretty unfair to say the least. It was still a pretty advanced society given the standards back then and surely a great contribution to the ideas which shaped the western world.
 
bsolar said:
I fail to understand your definition of people's democracy. Do you suggest that in a representative democracy citizens should not be allowed to chose which parties represent them? Then who decides that?
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Are you insane ? Who have voted for Barroso ? Did slovakian citizens have a referendum about helping Greece ?
 
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