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Tim Cook: 'Android is Like Europe', Many Different Things Under One Name

KPOM said:
Don't look now, but I think that was kind of the point Tim Cook was making. Europe isn't a single entity, and neither is Android.

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The population of the EU is closer to 400 million.

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Uh, yes, the standard of living is higher in the US than the EU. Sorry, Denmark, but it's true. I cited a UN study, and the UN isn't exactly known for being favorable to the American point of view.

85% of us have the best healthcare in the world. 15% of us were on on edge, but that didn't justify throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

And, unllike in Denmark or even the UK, where it is easy as heck to get a "slander" judgment against someone, we truly do have freedom of speech in the US. Heck, in most countries other than the US, it is illegal to be a member of certain political parties. It's next to impossible to ban a political party in the US, and slander and libel lawsuits are virtually unheard of here.

Europeans need to stop being so xenophobic and close minded. When the US gets a cold, the EU gets the flu. No wonder Denmark has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.
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>>>>>>> "STANDARD of LIFE" is no measure, it is "QUALITY of LIFE" what really counts...


Got it?

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Menneisyys2 said:
Sorry - I meant cheap Chinese cr@p giving Android a bad name (and giving a chance to Tim Cook to black-mouth Android.) Of course I know the best models (even cheap ones like the N7 2013) are way more featureful than anything Apple. (Actually, I've even compiled lists of why even the N7 2013 is much superior, strictly feature-wise, to even the latest iPads in the other forums here.)
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There is no chinese cr@p, I have been working in China and the "cr@p" is actually what the US customers order by specifications! The US buyers only let the cr@p manufaturer outside the US and market the "cra@p" through their US stores like WallMart to US consumers. China is capable to manufacture to high standards (Apple products).

Hey, what about the cr@p US made cars? :):eek:
 
ProDiversity said:
There is no chinese cr@p, I have been working in China and the "cr@p" is actually what the US customers order by specifications! The US buyers only let the cr@p manufaturer outside the US and market the "cra@p" through their US stores like WallMart to US consumers. China is capable to manufacture to high standards (Apple products).

Hey, what about the cr@p US made cars? :):eek:
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Well, actually, this has nothing to do with the US. The Chinese manufacture tons of cheap (say, sub-$120) Android devices / tablets mostly for domestic / third-world markets. Those are the devices I referred to, the ones giving Android a bad reputation among people that don't really know what Android really is capable of when run on decent hardware. (Including Tim Cook.)

Of course I;m aware of their also producing quality stuff. Just not in the above price range.
 
Just curious, how wages vary in US?

The average wage here varies a lot, for example, in Bulgaria, the average is $442, after taxes, the lowest in the EU, the top is $4230 in Luxembourg. Italy is considered midrange, with $2610.

All after taxes.
 
Menneisyys2 said:
Well, actually, this has nothing to do with the US. The Chinese manufacture tons of cheap (say, sub-$120) Android devices / tablets mostly for domestic / third-world markets. Those are the devices I referred to, the ones giving Android a bad reputation among people that don't really know what Android really is capable of when run on decent hardware. (Including Tim Cook.)

Of course I;m aware of their also producing quality stuff. Just not in the above price range.
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What about US cr@p fast food, or quantity instead of quality. You got the market for cr@p, so it is manufactured for you.:p
 
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lesferdinand said:
Which is even sadder when you realise that Mexico and Costa Rica are countries on the North American continent...

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In Europe we have a rule that whoever brings up WWII in an argument first, loses. ;)
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Mexico and Costa Rica………. well, it's all good. Rather dislike the tourist standing around taking up space and giving orders to the locals as if they own the damn world ….. at least be respectful and nice….. just saying.
 
Just have to say that I've been on both coasts of the U.S., and they feel quite different. For one, despite what the movies say, people in New York City and Boston are much nicer than in Los Angeles.

France and Italy actually felt pretty similar other than the different languages.

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ProDiversity said:
What about US cr@p fast food, or quantity instead of quality. You got the market for cr@p, so it is manufactured for you.:p
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When it comes to food, the U.S. is all about quantity over quality. It's probably easier to find real food in Syria :eek:

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2bikes said:
I think EU was formed to have enough economical power against US and other fast growing economies. So yeah, 28 countries combined to represent themselves as one against one big one.
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You're confusing the EU and Eurozone.

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dec. said:
In a way he has a point.
You have "Android" as this nice blooming thingy, but then the whole "Whoa, Android is market leader!!!11!!" doesn't really help the individual companies like HTC, the Greece of Android Manufacturers. And that Europeans would react very sensitively to his comments was to be expected too... (Saying that from a German/Brit point of view)
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In a way, but why use Europe as an example, and why start off by saying something that's just not true (about the name "Europe" being invented for Americans)? This is such a lousy speech.

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Michael Goff said:
So there are a lot of bigoted people in the world? Who would have thought it?
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Why does "bigot" have to be the go-to word? Germans just don't like the European Union. Probably because Germany is supporting countries like Greece.

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I don't get why anyone thinks he's dissing Europe. He's dissing Americans, calling them ignorant. How is it disrespectful to say that Europe is many different things under one name? So is every continent.

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MH01 said:
If you are that adamant it's still Greek, than your are a Greek. A Macedonian will tell you otherwise.
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I'll handle this since I'm neither. It's Greek :)

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nocturnum said:
Americans tend to forget that they come from Europe (probably poor knowledge of history). Their ancestors left Europe in search for better life, though what they have know isn't exactly better and most certainly far below European average.
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I object. Half of my family did not leave Europe; they left Asia. And your economy sucks.
 
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s2mikey said:
I'm not so sure I'd say us Americans are worse off than our EU counterparts. How do you figure that? Those of us who work and contribute to society are doing quite well. We own property, decent houses, cars, toys, pretty much whatever we want. [...] I can take care of myself.
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So, contributing to society means to own a decent house? And yes, you are worse off, your public schools are on par with every third world country's, so is your infrastructure. And so is your way of thinking that all that matters in a society is your own property, your own house and your car. No class whatsoever, just a bunch of ignorant egoists.

I don't see many people leaving Mexico trying to get into Europe. [...] Maybe because the USA is still the best place to be [...] Sorry but those are the facts.
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Hahaha, here are some more facts for you: Mexico is not the only country besides "Europe" and the United States. There are way more people trying to get into Europe from all sorts of countries (whose names you probably have never heard of) than your handful of Mexicans. Now, those are the facts.
 
s2mikey said:
don't see many people leaving Mexico trying to get into Europe. I also don't see too many Americans trying to leave here and get into Europe. It's always the other way around. I wonder why that is? Maybe because the USA is still the best place to be if you are ambitious and willing to work hard and make something of yourself. Sorry but those are the facts.
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Good point except for the part about Mexico. It's much easier for someone in Mexico to go emigrate the U.S., legally or not.

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123 said:
There are way more people trying to get into Europe from all sorts of countries (whose names you probably have never heard of) than your handful of Mexicans. Now, those are the facts.
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You mean from countries in the Middle East like Syria, which is in a civil war involving families being bombed? Do you have any source of this information? From what I can find, the immigration level into the U.S. is much higher than into Europe even despite this. And you can't count immigration internal to Europe.

He's right. People leave Europe for America, not the other way around. Americans do go to Europe on vacation because the countries there in themselves are a lot nicer. Those French beaches blow away anything here. And Europe does have its advantages like better schools and a population with much more common sense.
 
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Wololo said:
You're confusing the EU and Eurozone.
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No, you are confusing currency union and trade union, both of which are economic concepts.

How is it disrespectful to say that Europe is many different things under one name?
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He's saying that the company's main competitor's OS is no threat because of its diversity, unlike Windows in its glory days. He is implying that diversity is inefficient and undesirable. By using Europe [sic] as an analogy for this, he is obviously disrespectful. Whether he is right does not even matter. He just shouldn't associate negative properties with one of Apple's largest target markets.
 
123 said:
He's saying that the company's main competitor's OS is no threat because of its diversity, unlike Windows in its glory days. He is implying that diversity is inefficient and undesirable. By using Europe [sic] as an analogy for this, he is obviously disrespectful. Whether he is right does not even matter. He just shouldn't associate negative properties with one of Apple's largest target markets.
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If you look at it in context, it doesn't look that way. He's trying to use it to explain why he's not concerned about Android's market share. It's not fair to compare iOS to Android because iOS is like a country, while Android is like a continent. He didn't have to say "Europe" and could have instead said "Asia".

Regardless, his Europe analogy was pointless, especially because countries in Eurozone (I know, not all of Europe, but a large portion of it) are economically bound. In fact, the world economy means that even the U.S. is bound to Europe and China.

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123 said:
No, you are confusing currency union and trade union, both of which are economic concepts.
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Since the EU does not share the same currency, it's harder to represent all of the EU under one number for GDP, inflation, etc. Or maybe he meant EU anyway. Whatever.
 
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who cares???

I do not care what you say. just make a good products and provide proper service.

Klae17 said:
At least Europe lets you go from one country to the other easily. If Android is Europe then Apple is North Korea.
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thats stupid, because what happened with PS4 and their abuse? Xbox from Microsoft Thats a joke. Every single company is here to make a money. And I say Apple is doing great job and you make benefit from a single app, for many hardware generations to come. Say that about PS4,xbox :D
You are just a user, so put blue ray in your DVD player and cry. WHY WHY WHY :D
 
RedOrchestra said:
I'll tell you what's arrogant, countries that fall into arrears and refuse to tighten their belts and then have the audacity, the bloody nerve, to compare Merkel to Hitler. If it wasn't for Germany and the other strong members of the EU offering a bailout, Spain and Portugal and the rest of their ilk would rot in H___.

Search the web for the protestor signs. Personally, as for Spain and Portugal, I've had enough of them!
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condemning whole populations because of remarks made by few angry people, whom frustration where based on the ongoing economic crisis, shows lack of understanding how to put remarks in perspective. People who are loosing their entire income don't react well to put it mildly. Comparing Merkel with Hitler is wrong, but gosh, put it in perspective dude.

It's very simplistic to condemn whole populations because of some remarks made by few, very narrow minded and arrogant as well. This is why some people feel offended by the remarks made by Cook, it's way to simplistic and he's generalize his statement, mentioning whole of Europe here instead of putting things in perspective It's the same simplicity that rightfully upset people when some would call Americans this and that, you can't judge whole of the continent inhabitants and the whole political system based on one gut feeling. That's besides arrogant very demagogic.
 
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123 said:
He's saying that the company's main competitor's OS is no threat because of its diversity, unlike Windows in its glory days. He is implying that diversity is inefficient and undesirable. By using Europe [sic] as an analogy for this, he is obviously disrespectful. Whether he is right does not even matter. He just shouldn't associate negative properties with one of Apple's largest target markets.
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Spot on.
 
European countries while different in some ways have more shared values in some areas than a cluster**** of states with people denying evolution or not (lol wut), endorsing death penalty or not (that's a HUGE one), and so on.

If this wasn't a CEO of a global trillion dollar company this would be just an "awww Americans are cute" kinda news.

Unfortunately he is.
 
KPOM said:
Don't look now, but I think that was kind of the point Tim Cook was making. Europe isn't a single entity, and neither is Android.

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The population of the EU is closer to 400 million.

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Uh, yes, the standard of living is higher in the US than the EU. Sorry, Denmark, but it's true. I cited a UN study, and the UN isn't exactly known for being favorable to the American point of view.

85% of us have the best healthcare in the world. 15% of us were on on edge, but that didn't justify throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

And, unllike in Denmark or even the UK, where it is easy as heck to get a "slander" judgment against someone, we truly do have freedom of speech in the US. Heck, in most countries other than the US, it is illegal to be a member of certain political parties. It's next to impossible to ban a political party in the US, and slander and libel lawsuits are virtually unheard of here.

Europeans need to stop being so xenophobic and close minded. When the US gets a cold, the EU gets the flu. No wonder Denmark has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.
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He said Europe! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
 
Android is like the US population with its many ethnicities.

Be sure to own a gun/antivirus, because they both fail at integration, unlike Europe.

"Apple" is a name somebody came up with to describe a company that sells 19€ usb cables.

Oh, and EU-skeptics (the EASY way for politicians in a time of crisis to get applauses and blame somebody else) have not and probabably will never have the same mindshare and electoral results of Federal_Govt-skeptics in the US. Here, they're just a bunch of crowd inflaming nationalistic nuts who like vultures take advantage of the crisis. Meanwhile in Ukraina real people are risking their health and safety in riots to walk towards the European family. Cook's oh-no-he-didn't gaffe couldn't be less timely.
 
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Remember, remember: the US is the source of the worst hard and software ever, wasn't it called windoze? .... And what about the NSA? Where is all the cr@p (not Apple) coming from?
 
I like Android much, much better than the EU. I mean just take a look at Ukraine. :facepalm:
 
If I were Samsung I would quote this in marketing material in Europe.

The "a name somebody came up with for Americans" part is gold.
 
Karma*Police said:
I think some people are taking his comments way too personally. I understood his fragmentation analogy right away and at no point did I think he was implying that Europe was crappy.
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He was implying that Europe (EU, to be exact) is a loose federation of independent states, which it is. An umbrella group for independent parts, occasionally you have disagreement/conflict between the individual parts. In geopolitics, this is not necessarily a bad thing, and not really an insult. But in operating systems? Probably not a good thing.
 
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