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What point if I may be so bold to ask?

1. Fanboys don't like Android.
2. US citizens are poorer than I thought.
3. People in the US hate Europe.
4. People in the US are just as arrogant and ignorant as anyone else.

That the Europeans on this forum are making themselves look bad
 
But Europe's GDP is higher than America's... so Cook is saying Android is better?
 
I think EU was formed to have enough economical power against US and other fast growing economies. So yeah, 28 countries combined to represent themselves as one against one big one.

And you have 50 little states.
317 million americans vs 739 million europeans...yeah we are small..
 
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What I've learned from this thread:

1. Europeans don't like Android
2. Europeans are poorer than I thought.
3. People in Europe hate the US.
4. People in Europe are just as arrogant and ignorant as anyone else.

Poorer? You mean, that we have things we can actually afford and not have everything on credit (which you know that you can never repay)? That we don't have mass school shootings every other week?
You have "houses" made of paper for god sakes :O Every strong wind will tip you house off this planet.

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I know most Europeans are well enough off, but if the iphone is revered, why is there such low market share in Europe?

Because of iPhone limitations and Apple never made it big in Europe like it did in USA. It is just not that popular.
 
He is catering to his audience. He wasn't hand picked by Steve jobs and the apple board by being dumb. Sorry you are smarter then the average person, it's something we have to deal with.

Forstall was also hand pickup by Jobs and worked with a lot longer. Scully was also hand picked by Jobs.

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Because they don't like to be controlled and told what is good for them all the time unlike American's?

Yeah that's pretty much YOUR level of comment I think.
Good answer :)
 
I know most Europeans are well enough off, but if the iphone is revered, why is there such low market share in Europe?

One of the reasons is that in the US people think they get it for cheap when they are in fact paying more than the full price, while in Europe many people are confronted with the actual cost transparently.

Also, more people need unlocked phones in Europe than in the US.
 
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Well, I, as a European, have nothing against being compared to Android. After all, it's by far the most powerful OS. Much-much more versatile than iOS. It's only the hardware side that sucks with Android - something Apple shines at. Only some Android devices are worth purchasing (Note 3, N7 2013, G2 etc.)
Actually, Androids hardware site is much much much more powerful than Apples. They have problem with software though.....not optimized, to fragmented, layer upon layer upon layer of code.
 
Actually, Androids hardware site is much much much more powerful than Apples. They have problem with software though.....not optimized, to fragmented, layer upon layer upon layer of code.

Sorry - I meant cheap Chinese cr@p giving Android a bad name (and giving a chance to Tim Cook to black-mouth Android.) Of course I know the best models (even cheap ones like the N7 2013) are way more featureful than anything Apple. (Actually, I've even compiled lists of why even the N7 2013 is much superior, strictly feature-wise, to even the latest iPads in the other forums here.)
 
He's been inside Apple's RDF so long he isn't capable of knowing what's outside I guess.

One of the reasons is that in the US people think they get it for cheap when they are in fact paying more than the full price, while in Europe many people are confronted with the actual cost transparently.

Also, more people need unlocked phones in Europe than in the US.

As someone that paid full price + tax for his iPhone (since his carrier never subsidized them), I seriously don't think they're worth the money.
 
I know most Europeans are well enough off, but if the iphone is revered, why is there such low market share in Europe?

That could be said for anything that has competition which is half the price and does the job. I have a lot of Apple devices, they aren't cheap to buy as you should know by now.

Also the fact that iPhone stock in my local Apple store is usually at a bare minimum could be one of the biggest reasons. I'm not too sure though/
 
You are comparing apples to oranges. There are poor people everywhere. My point is America does not have as poor regions as European Union (Romania, Bulgaria etc). Your social system works only in your country and not in the whole Europe. It is clearly incomparable.


True, your comparison doesn't make sense, just like mine doesn't makes sense. Reason, both comparisons are silly to put it mildly. There is no point in making suggestions on what works or not in both the US or in Europe, poor people exist on both continents, so the one sided view on the EU from Cook within this context is to silly to take serious in the first place.

And 'region' is in the eye of the beholder, there are staggering amounts of poor people in the US where there is no perspective what so ever for a better life, yes, just like in Europe, so regions are simply irrelevant. What matters is that within Europe there is at least a common sense that members within the EU can count on financial help and that welfare in general should be among all of it's citizens. The difference between poor and rich people in the US is so much bigger then in Europe. But yes, this doesn't mean that there are no poor people living in the EU but a bit of nuance would be nice from cook. His remarks are blunt and he generalizes his point he's trying to make but fails in that aspect.



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All of them Portuguese and Spaniards, who continue to expect to get paid for standing around picking their noses. Then they want early retirement because of the arthritis that has afflicted their picking finger.


A very generalizing and not very intelligent remark. Why bother buying a color monitor in the first place if you see the world in black and white?

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I learned something about people here from this thread ... we have a lot of ignorant people who like to paint entire continents with a wide brush.

So true.
 
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Because it's nice and simple to understand and it doesn't crash and hang when you get a text message! iOS7 is awful, I hate it and it was the MAIN reason I switched to the Nexus 5. I was happy with my 2012 Nexus 7 tablet and iOS iPhone until iOS7, and I am not the only one. It truly felt like a rushed beta that in my eyes looked awfully full of design over substance.
But that is my opinion.


So he was catering to you then? Because your his audience, the Apple fan, so your implying your uneducated and Europe was a name made up so you understood all those country's?
And I think you'll find steve Jobs DID have something to do with him being selected as his.

1. That sucks that your experience with iOS 7 was bad. I never had crashing apps when I got a text. Never heard of that issue either. I have found it to be stable and functional since 7.3 (now using 7.1 beta and it's even better).

2. No I was not his target audience as I don't read the Wall Street journal and I have no apple stock.

3. Not implying I'm uneducated at all. And as far as Steve having a say, that was my point. He would not have hand picked Tim if he thought he was dumb. Steve had no patience for stupid or incompetent people and Tim worked very closely with Steve for many years. Steve clearly had a ton of confidence in Tim.
 
He's completely right! Just think about language… how can something with "union" on it's name have so many languages?!
I know what I'm talking about, I'm portuguese, from Portugal. That country so many american folks think that is a Spain province! Sadly but true!
Tim is right guys!
 
Ehhhh? It's not like we vote for a party to rule "europe" - of course between many different smaller countries with different cultures and languages there'd be a lot of different parties. In most countries it's still between 2 or 3 parties (with a real chance of power) tops, but each country's parties have little (if anything) to do with the ones in other countries.

There are problems with the systems here in Europe, but that's not one of them.

Don't look now, but I think that was kind of the point Tim Cook was making. Europe isn't a single entity, and neither is Android.

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And you have 50 little states.
317 million americans vs 739 million europeans...yeah we are small..
Moron.

The population of the EU is closer to 400 million.

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The standard of living in the US is higher on average than in the EU. ???


Hahahahahahahahaha YOU WISH :-D Most funny phrase today.

We dont have people without healthinsurance or people forced to sleep in the street.

And we actually have the FREEDOM OF SPEECH ... Not like the US where everything gets censored.

Uh, yes, the standard of living is higher in the US than the EU. Sorry, Denmark, but it's true. I cited a UN study, and the UN isn't exactly known for being favorable to the American point of view.

85% of us have the best healthcare in the world. 15% of us were on on edge, but that didn't justify throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

And, unllike in Denmark or even the UK, where it is easy as heck to get a "slander" judgment against someone, we truly do have freedom of speech in the US. Heck, in most countries other than the US, it is illegal to be a member of certain political parties. It's next to impossible to ban a political party in the US, and slander and libel lawsuits are virtually unheard of here.

Europeans need to stop being so xenophobic and close minded. When the US gets a cold, the EU gets the flu. No wonder Denmark has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.
 
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Europeans need to stop being so xenophobic and close minded. When the US gets a cold, the EU gets the flu. No wonder Denmark has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.

Well, actually, suicide rates have nothing to do with living standards; much more importantly, with local traditions. And Scandinavian / Nordic (if we also count in Finland to the group of rich countries with extremely high suicide rate) traditions have a strong tendency to commit suicide, plain and simple.
 
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The standard of living in the US is higher on average than in the EU. ???


Hahahahahahahahaha YOU WISH :-D Most funny phrase today.

We dont have people without healthinsurance or people forced to sleep in the street.

And we actually have the FREEDOM OF SPEECH ... Not like the US where everything gets censored.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

We rank higher than every EU country but Luxembourg. Yes, that includes Denmark. In fact, our GDP is about 1/3 higher than yours.

As for freedom of speech, we ranked pretty high in the world before our euro-loving "progressive" president took over in 2009. We've plummetted ever since then, but still rank pretty high overall (still better than France, and probably better than the UK now that they have put in place a regulator).

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Well, actually, suicide rates have nothing to do with living standards; much more importantly, with local traditions. And Scandinavian / Nordic (if we also count in Finland to the group of rich countries with extremely high suicide rate) traditions have a strong tendency to commit suicide, plain and simple.

Nevertheless, our standard of living is higher in the US than in Scandinavia. There is more "equality" in Scandinavia, but the median person is better off in the US than any Scandinavian country except for Norway.
 
1. That sucks that your experience with iOS 7 was bad. I never had crashing apps when I got a text. Never heard of that issue either. I have found it to be stable and functional since 7.3 (now using 7.1 beta and it's even better).

2. No I was not his target audience as I don't read the Wall Street journal and I have no apple stock.

3. Not implying I'm uneducated at all. And as far as Steve having a say, that was my point. He would not have hand picked Tim if he thought he was dumb. Steve had no patience for stupid or incompetent people and Tim worked very closely with Steve for many years. Steve clearly had a ton of confidence in Tim.

But it is dumb to make comments like he has, when your getting paid that much, and your in charge of one of the richest corporations on the planet, you would expect the CEO to speak more intelligently without petty insults.

For me he can say what he wants, but he should say it in an intelligent way, and with far better analogy's.
 
Don't look now, but I think that was kind of the point Tim Cook was making. Europe isn't a single entity,

Neither is the US, the states only share the same flag and language, but like in Europe share the same coin, and just like in Europe each different country upholds his own laws with a common overall law based on agreements made in the European parliament.


And neither is Android.

At least it's an open system. Something where Apple could learn from. Both have good and bad points. Only fanboys see things simplistic in black and white.

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The population of the EU is closer to 400 million.

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I missed world war III then, because in 2012 there where 508 million http://europa.eu/abc/euslides/ppt/slide_16_en.ppt


Uh, yes, the standard of living is higher in the US than the EU.

Simply untrue.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...life-balance-we-are-number-23/250830/#slide21


Sorry, Denmark, but it's true. I cited a UN study, and the UN isn't exactly known for being favorable to the American point of view.

85% of us have the best healthcare in the world.

LOL

Please, show me those facts ;-)

15% of us were on on edge, but that didn't justify throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

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And, unllike in Denmark or even the UK, where it is easy as heck to get a "slander" judgment against someone, we truly do have freedom of speech in the US.

http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html

Doesn't need any explanation.

Europeans need to stop being so xenophobic and close minded. When the US gets a cold, the EU gets the flu. No wonder Denmark has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.

Not sure about 'closed' minded but you sure give narrow minded a whole new meaning.

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As for freedom of speech, we ranked pretty high in the world before our euro-loving "progressive" president took over in 2009. We've plummetted ever since then, but still rank pretty high overall (still better than France, and probably better than the UK now that they have put in place a regulator).

You're funny. :)

http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html
 
Neither is the US, the states only share the same flag and language, but like in Europe share the same coin, and just like in Europe each different country upholds his own laws with a common overall law based on agreements made in the European parliament.

Not quite. The US has more of a hierarchal setup than the EU, which is a much more lax and loosely defined union in comparison. The federal level is responsible for most of the laws and taxes levied across the country, while the states administrate on a more regional level.

There are exceptions, but most of the time, the only differences you'll see traveling between states are higher or lower sales taxes.
 
I know most Europeans are well enough off, but if the iphone is revered, why is there such low market share in Europe?

It's all about features versus what a buyer pays up front.

The iPhone has its best market share in places where it can be gotten for an artificially low amount up front... such as in heavily subsidized USA and Japan.

In other words, when it's priced the same as other phones, it's a popular choice because it has excellent features for the money.

Conversely, when it's priced higher than other phones, as it is in areas without subsidies, it's nowhere near as popular. Its features haven't changed, but the price is much higher than it should be, because of Apple's insistence on charging double the profit margin of other makers.
 
Do you know that your remark is very condescending and extremely arrogant? Or are you just trolling here?

I'll tell you what's arrogant, countries that fall into arrears and refuse to tighten their belts and then have the audacity, the bloody nerve, to compare Merkel to Hitler. If it wasn't for Germany and the other strong members of the EU offering a bailout, Spain and Portugal and the rest of their ilk would rot in H___.

Search the web for the protestor signs. Personally, as for Spain and Portugal, I've had enough of them!
 
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