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Tim Cook Announces R&D Center to Be Built in China 'By the End of the Year'

x0vash0x said:
Ugh. I absolutely hate this argument. The idea that companies should owe allegiance to a country is absolutely idiotic. Why should a company owe allegiance to any nation or nationality? Are Americans really that self-centered that they only care about themselves and their own country?

Essentially, the argument is 'It's better an American has a job than a Chinese, because Americans deserve a job more than a Chinese' Which is either racist, xenophobic, or really, just petty selfishness. If it's selfishness, at least call it that and be done with it.
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syan48306 said:
This is their way of doubling down on security huh.
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YOu can be assured that all the technology will be stolen..........this is poor judgement at best and as a stock holder I am upset....why not do it in the United States???????????????????
 
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citysnaps said:
Excellent move. Makes a lot of sense. A win for everybody.
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What are you smoking? This is an unwise move and makes Cook look politically bad. For a CEO who had the goal or make BS claims to have products manufactured in the USA starting with Mac Pro consistently, the guy is full of it.

You might think cheaper R&D and labor in China equals cheaper price for US consumers but I don't see it that way at all. China has Tim by the balls.

So he won't kowtow with the US government but he would with the Chinese? Something's not right.
 
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You must not be an American...why not build F-18 jets in China? why not build Navy ships in China....why don't you just move there????
 
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Hopefully this can kickstart the next generation of innovation in the iPhone space. The current US design team has shot its load and has plateaued creatively. Hopefully the Chinese designers aren't held back by the bald guy and his ilk.
 
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If the intend is genuine, then it makes sense. Emerging markets like China and India consumers have specific nuances that cannot be known by engineers sitting down in Cupertino. Considering how Apple is building a lot of integration of Chinese online services within MacOS and iOS, it makes sense that Apple want to be in China.
Even if the intend was not genuine, still, sometimes things like this have to happen to do business smoothly in the emerging markets.
 
Apple opens office in China as a backhanded pay off to relieve unnecessary scrutiny and patent problems in China.

In completely totally unrelated news - Apple also launched a new code checking office far far away from China. Nope - no sneaky developer "bugs" or backdoors and surveillance software in Apple stuff ever thanks to this office that has nothing to do at all with software written in China.
 
kdarling said:
China and India are playing Cook like a violin, getting him to continue to build job (and tech info) sources in their countries, letting him hope that they'll grant Apple some meaningful favors in return.
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And he's getting what they want.

Google is banned in China, specially Google Maps. Apple is authorized to open stores and don't pay those bloody import taxes in India...

The only thing Tim Cook can't really do is make those 2.6B people rich overnight.
 
We'll you see here Apple is an American company and as Americans many of us still take pride in things made here. For Example Europe has CHRONIC high unemployment and has mostly socialist governments that have sent many of there manufacturing jobs over to Asia it's no wonder why Europe has as many problems as it does . Europeans have no drive to become entrepreneurs or create businesses when you are taxed at unreasonable rates. Is America perfect No ! but we still get pissed off when are company's go overseas when that company could have stayed in the US.
 
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Three141 said:
surely they do not need a R&D department to tell them cheaper bang for buck product is what the consumer over there is demanding?
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Yes, you must be right, because nobody had the idea to sell cheap devices in India and China.
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mactactic said:
We'll you see here Apple is an American company and as Americans many of us still take pride in things made here. For Example Europe has CHRONIC high unemployment and has mostly socialist governments that have sent many of there manufacturing jobs over to Asia it's no wonder why Europe has as many problems as it does . Europeans have no drive to become entrepreneurs or create businesses when you are taxed at unreasonable rates. Is America perfect No ! but we still get pissed off when are company's go overseas when that company could have stayed in the US.
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Apple couldn't have stayed in the US.

Mining for rare earth materials is too "environmental unfriendly" to do in the US.

Semiconductors aren't made in the US anymore.

LCDs aren't made in the US anymore.

Batteries aren't made in the US anymore.

Why in the hell Apple has to make phones in the US, if most phones sold in the US come from Korean and Chinese brands?

Counties like U.K., Australia and Japan, iOS has more marketshare (in % of units) than the US! They should build devices there, because that's where people buy them!

And Americans may behave like you in forums, but when they buy, they hunt for the best bang/buck and they don't care where it's made.
 
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Hope they have a good exterminator; cuz' that place is going to have more bugs planted in it than... (fill in the blank)
 
mactactic said:
We'll you see here Apple is an American company and as Americans many of us still take pride in things made here. For Example Europe has CHRONIC high unemployment and has mostly socialist governments that have sent many of there manufacturing jobs over to Asia it's no wonder why Europe has as many problems as it does . Europeans have no drive to become entrepreneurs or create businesses when you are taxed at unreasonable rates. Is America perfect No ! but we still get pissed off when are company's go overseas when that company could have stayed in the US.
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You have a distorted view of Europe.
 
mtneer said:
Hopefully this can kickstart the next generation of innovation in the iPhone space. The current US design team has shot its load and has plateaued creatively. Hopefully the Chinese designers aren't held back by the bald guy and his ilk.
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You do realize just about every "product" that has come out of china such as phones or cars is usually a blatant copy of another real manufactures product. They don't have any design people at all, they just know how to steal and copy.
 
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Zirel said:
Yes, you must be right, because nobody had the idea to sell cheap devices in India and China.
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Apple couldn't have stayed in the US.

Mining for rare earth materials is too "environmental unfriendly" to do in the US.

Semiconductors aren't made in the US anymore.

LCDs aren't made in the US anymore.

Batteries aren't made in the US anymore.

Why in the hell Apple has to make phones in the US, if most phones sold in the US come from Korean and Chinese brands?

And Americans may behave like you in forums, but when they buy, they hunt for the best bang/buck and they don't care where it's made.
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Re-read what I posted.
The consumers do not feel Apple's products are offer good value for money especially now that rivals are producing better bang for buck alternatives, why would you setup a R&D department to repeat this message.

To me it feels like a discrete bribe.
 
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Steve Jobs was correct in nixing pie-in-the-sky R&D when he came back to Apple. Just figure out what people want, or need, that you can do better and then make that. You don't need massive R&D budgets and dedicated facilities to look at a market and figure out what will work there (*cough* India *cough*).

Sadly I think Tim Cook is just too deeply in the corporate mentality to run Apple effectively. Its increasingly becoming a company that makes (new) products by committee and checklists and by looking at only the bottom line.
 
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WarDialer said:
Steve Jobs was correct in nixing pie-in-the-sky R&D when he came back to Apple. Just figure out what people want, or need, that you can do better and then make that. You don't need massive R&D budgets and dedicated facilities to look at a market and figure out what will work there (*cough* India *cough*).

Sadly I think Tim Cook is just too deeply in the corporate mentality to run Apple effectively. Its increasingly becoming a company that makes (new) products by committee and checklists and by looking at only the bottom line.
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So, say you're the most valuable brand in the world, with close to a $70,000,000,000 in cash. You just sit on it? You don't try to create new form factors, or research new technology? Your business model is great for startups and small companies, but don't work very well with large companies.
 
Three141 said:
Re-read what I posted.
The consumers do not feel Apple's products are offer good value for money especially now that rivals are producing better bang for buck alternatives, why would you setup a R&D department to repeat this message.

To me it feels like a discrete bribe.
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Source for that?

Why Apple products have their stellar CSAT?
 
lol so that's the ransom you have to pay to get the government off your back.
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Hope they have a good exterminator; cuz' that place is going to have more bugs planted in it than... (fill in the blank)
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There are enough things for the "R&D center" to work on.
Like Optimizing Map/Navigation for China.

I don't believe they will be allowed to touch anything critical.
 
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