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I can only imagine what kind of product leaks will emerge from this new facility, that is unless its actually controlled by Apple employees, unlike Foxconn.
it will TOTALLY be controlled by apple and apple only; and i guarantee that only china-specific r + d will happen there, and that it will be on a very robust corporate intra-net vpn. apple is only doing this to keep in step with the ever-changing and high-profit chinese consumer market, and to integrate their car tech with the burgeoning ride-share market in china*, a potentially multi-multi-billion dollar industry. aside from this, i have every expectation that this facility and its employees will be sandboxed from the rest of the apple research eco-system in a very robust way. apple ain't no fools. [/personal opinion stated as fact]

*in fact, a large part of this facility may be dedicated to the development of the apple car and related tech. can you imagine how huge a market there is going to be for quasi-self-driving electric vehicles in china in the coming decade?? the mind boggles at the decimal places. if apple can secure even a single digit share of that market it will be insanely profitable.
 
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What dtich said. This is no different that Honda USA designing the USA versions of cars. The locals have a better handle on what the market is looking for. The Chinese R&D center will be designing for the Chinese market. They will not be designing for the USA or Europe or probably even India.
 
And he's getting what they want.

Not really.

Google is banned in China, specially Google Maps.

Hope you aren't claiming that's because of Apple.

Google is banned by China because Google believes in freedom of information, and the Chinese government does not. The latter tried hacking into some dissidents' GMail accounts, and wanted Google to censor many results from the Chinese people.

Google refused to continue under any censorship (and possibly government required access to personal information), and so China banned them in retaliation.

Apple is authorized to open stores and don't pay those bloody import taxes in India...

That decision wasn't targeted at Apple (unlike what some sites seem to imply). The same relaxation goes for many other big brand names and industries.

In fact, relaxing the rules applies to everything from single-brand name outlets, to foreign investment in aviation, defense projects, pharmaceuticals, and cable networks.

The downside is that there's a time limit, so eventually the locally-sourced piper will have to be paid. India is smart for sucking in companies with short term promises and long term Indian goals.

The only thing Tim Cook can't really do is make those 2.6B people rich overnight.

Especially since Apple Stores won't increase jobs; more likely the opposite according to Indian officials. Not to mention that Apple is famous for avoid paying taxes in any country. If India is smart, they'll make sure to find a way to force Apple to pay taxes there.
 
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The Oppo R9 is just an iPhone clone. So, it's really, this isn't going to increase copy-cat companies.



Because, Chinese will do it for half the price of an American engineer. Same thing for Indians. Cheaper product development. But, I think everyone here is missing the point.

1. This is a huge win for China as it's exactly how China wants to be viewed. They want to be high-technology. Having Apple invest in China is a huge image win for China.
2. This is a huge deal for Apple, because they have to appease the Chinese government. But, more importantly, it's a sign of good faith that Apple will play by the rules. Apple wants iTunes stores back open in China. After an R&D center will probably come a data center solely for Chinese market.
You forgot that this is a huge loss for America. In another few decades a lot of these major corp. won't even be American anymore.
 
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China and India are playing Cook like a violin, getting him to continue to build job (and tech info) sources in their countries, letting him hope that they'll grant Apple some meaningful favors in return.

Ya think. When is he going to get a clue that the carrot being dangled over his head is never going to be had, no matter what.
 
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Ugh. I absolutely hate this argument. The idea that companies should owe allegiance to a country is absolutely idiotic. Why should a company owe allegiance to any nation or nationality? Are Americans really that self-centered that they only care about themselves and their own country?

Essentially, the argument is 'It's better an American has a job than a Chinese, because Americans deserve a job more than a Chinese' Which is either racist, xenophobic, or really, just petty selfishness. If it's selfishness, at least call it that and be done with it.
So then you don't in democracy? Don't believe people have a right to put in place policies that improve their country

Nuclear family -> racism -> xenophobia -> they are all layers of the same kinship argument. It is selfishness. The concept that people have a right to look out for own interest. The question is where is that boundary. I think you and an lot of Americans will have to learn this lesson the hard way.
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Ya think. When is he going to get a clue that the carrot being dangled over his head is never going to be had, no matter what.
He doesn't have a choice. China has a population of over 1.3B. India is a close second at 1.2B. Capitalism is a numbers game. It's all about consumption so population rules all. Tim Cook has no choice but to expand into China.

We are at the point where Capitalism and US Foreign Policy are no longer interlinked. We have to pick one or the other now.
 
I'm reminded of a major American power tool company that decided to woo the American female market for power tools by designing a line for smaller hands. Turns out these were perfect for the Japanese market since the average man there has smaller hands than the average American man. The American power tool company could have discovered this decades earlier if they had a design center in Japan.

Nissan used their American design center to engineer the Titan pickup truck. Toyota USA designed the Tundra. American truck buyers have very different tastes and wants than buyers in other countries. Heck, Ford and GM design "Texas Edition" trucks made specifically for that submarket.

It's time for Apple to realize the needs in individual (but large) markets instead of a "one size fits all" approach.
 
The blatant nationalism here is insane.
Apple's revenue and profit are over 66% foreign, they are not an American company they are a world company. Why shouldn't Apple invest in the two markets that will be bigger for them than America? Remind you they just built a 5 billion dollar campus in Cupertino..?
 
Nuclear family -> racism -> xenophobia -> they are all layers of the same kinship argument. It is selfishness. The concept that people have a right to look out for own interest.

Wow. Can't believe you linked "Nuclear family" to racism. You should see what happens when an entire population has lost the concept of a nuclear family. You get generations of poverty and lost potential.
 
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This hurts America the most. People are always complaining about China stealing our factory jobs. Sure, a job is a job but did we really want $7.25/hr paying jobs with no benefits? No.

What we need are $100,000+ a year with full benefits like these research jobs that are likely being shipped over to China. Bummer. This will truly drive America into poverty.

Shame on Tim Cook for only thinking about money. He's turning out to be a terrible CEO.
 
Ugh. I absolutely hate this argument. The idea that companies should owe allegiance to a country is absolutely idiotic. Why should a company owe allegiance to any nation or nationality? Are Americans really that self-centered that they only care about themselves and their own country?

Essentially, the argument is 'It's better an American has a job than a Chinese, because Americans deserve a job more than a Chinese' Which is either racist, xenophobic, or really, just petty selfishness. If it's selfishness, at least call it that and be done with it.
There may be racism or xenophobia prompting some of the backlash, but there is also genuine concern for the impact this decision has on the people of the country in which Apple originated, which just happens to be the USA.

Lost employment opportunities is always a concern to any country when their "native son" moves these overseas. There is some reciprocity and many foreign based companies open up offices or factories here in the US. I was employed by Germany's Siemens Medical for a couple of years, for example. I did not give a rat's patootie that they were German as long as the money they were paying me was legal tender in the USA. The concern and outcry comes about because of the perception that the outflow of jobs from domestic employers is outpacing the inflow from foreign companies. We need to examine our tax system and regulations before we assign blame to companies for this, however.

There are many concerns when a tech company that designs and engineers advanced computing and telecommunications technology does business with companies that are known to pass along proprietary designs to their militaristic governments. China has its own national security concerns doing business with us. It's not any bigotry, it's concern over national security and maintaining competitive edge at the top levels of the arms race. It's one thing to offload manufacturing to China. It's an entirely different matter to let them in on the R&D processes that generally take place under the veil of secrecy in Cupertino.

I'm not well at the moment--allergies and congestion-- so may not be writing very clearly but there is a wealth of articles on the subject that explain things better than I could, starting with this one: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/t...ules-perturb-western-tech-companies.html?_r=0
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This hurts America the most. People are always complaining about China stealing our factory jobs. Sure, a job is a job but did we really want $7.25/hr paying jobs with no benefits? No.

What we need are $100,000+ a year with full benefits like these research jobs that are likely being shipped over to China. Bummer. This will truly drive America into poverty.

Shame on Tim Cook for only thinking about money. He's turning out to be a terrible CEO.
This goes on all the time. Samsung has invested in R&D in the USA and created thousands of jobs. I don't know how many jobs China has created in the USA because I haven't researched it yet, but I just want to point out there is reciprocity, globally speaking, and jobs do flow into the USA from Asia. So while this news is not good for a plethora of reasons, things aren't all bleak and Apple really isn't doing anything unusual for a company attempting a global scope of business. I just think they are throwing money into a big dark fascist protectionist pit, that's all.

I'm not trying to make Samsung out to be a good guy just because I recently bought one of their products and I use them as an example here only because I happened to come across that info recently. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-iot-research-in-usa/articleshow/52857213.cms

Salient point from that article:
"Samsung, which last year opened a Silicon Valley research center, employs some 15,000 people in the United States, according to Kwon."
 
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Tim know nothing in Chinese , know nothing in Chinese government.

They are only know how to cheat / steal , enjoying obey the rules and law and lacking in morals.

btw : i am a 'HongKongers' , we know the dirty of China more than anyone do.

Oh, Hong Konger. Eh? The gentleman who worked as servant for the British ruler.

Don't give a laugh. If the central government draw support, Hong Kong will be irrelevant.

Now, let us start by withdrawing water supply to Hong Kong. If you hate Chinese that much, we can stop all traveller to Hong Kong. See if Hong Kong can last for a day.
 
Oh, Hong Konger. Eh? The gentleman who worked as servant for the British ruler.

Don't give a laugh. If the central government draw support, Hong Kong will be irrelevant.

Now, let us start by withdrawing water supply to Hong Kong. If you hate Chinese that much, we can stop all traveller to Hong Kong. See if Hong Kong can last for a day.
Oh hello, LovingTeddy. I was wondering if we would see you here. I guess we will be moving this party over to PRSI any minute now.
 
Maybe TC can just go live in China and become the head of Huawei. Then he gets the best of all worlds. He can demonstrate his loyalty to Xi Jinping, he can "acquire" all the technology he wants and still use stuff that looks like Apple!


Right. Any phone that shaped like a slab of glass with touchscreen must be iPhone clone.
 
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