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Apple is a cult. It's like scientology. Delusion and deception is what apple is best at. Here's why:

Apple iPhone 3.5" display. Best ever in 2007. And they were correct. Nothing like on the market. Years later, still 3.5" while competitors go up to 5". Apple cult followers still claim best in class at 3.5" display. Would NEVER trade up to larger than 3.5" display because it's garbage. Too big. Don't fit in pocket, blah blah blah, the list goes on.

Apple iPhone 4" display retina. Best ever and they are right. High resolution, but thumb can still reach top of display. While other phones are 4.7" and growing to 5.5" displays. Apple stays with this resolution for a long time.

Apple even has slides in presentation showing how your finger (the thumb) can arc and it's perfect for a smartphone to have a smaller 4" display. Apple cult followers eat this up and regurgitate the same marketing BS for years.

Apple finally decides to come out with a 4.7" display and a 5.5" with huge bezels and claims the displays are the second coming. 750p panel and 1080p is just bar none. While other manufacturers cough cough Samsung perfects their super amoled 5.5", 5.8" displays in 2013. Magically apple retains their marketing BS by implementing "reachability for their ginormous 5.5" iPhone and claim it's best in class.

Apple still sells a 4.7" 750p lcd panel in 2017 and markets it for the chumps and yet people realize why pay this much when you can pay even more for an iPhone x with a perma-turd on the display and also faceid - removed headphone jack wasn't good enough courage let's one up ourselves with faceid because we couldn't fit a home button anymore - let's just muck up the UX with a ton of ugly ass transparent buttons on screen with some NES classic up up down down left right left right gesture combinations. Jack price up past $1149+ tax and voila cult classic.

Jokes aside why do you folks still buy the same exact phone since 2007? Same row of icons for 10 years. Same gimped/handicapped OS for 10 years. Now Tim Cook comes on tv and spouts how apple has so many features, so many pipeline products, so value for the price, yada yada, you guys soak it up like a maxi pad on blood. Reality is apple is a marketing genius because they are able to brainwash so many of your 10 years and they keep insisting they do no wrong.

Bottom line is I'm glad I left the atrocity of iOS 7.0+ I still have my iPads and iPad pro's but that is another gripe. The more you give this man your money the more he will give you mediocrity. No one asked for faceID - how about some touchID somewhere on the phone at least. No one asked for animating poo-emojis and yet here we are. $1149+tax for some tween to animate their cat face. rrrrrrright....

Scott forstall was the only genius left at apple and he was fired. Now we have a bunch of Eddie cues (which is really a fat I'd bang your wife Ferrari driving millionaire pimp) who really is losing touch with reality. Your 625nit super retina OLED is just 2nd hand Samsung amoled panels; iPhone users don't even know how good amoled displays are and were dogging Samsung left and right but now the iPhone X has it, it's the second coming! Let's not forget slow wireless charging while there exists FAST wireless charging. but we gotta save all that for the next iPhone year after year.

A11 is a beast but too bad that beast is held in a cage called iOS. How about letting me dock with a keyboard, display? How about something like DEX? At least you would be able to utilize the A11 beast. I don't know who would pay for a $1000 smartphone when the damn display is too small anyway for real work. Facebook, emails, and internet is perfectly fine even on an iPhone 5S. Apple could've made a bad ass nintendo switch themselves because their Aseries processors are just bar none for gaming. But instead it is what it is today.

Keep on buying apple products. Tim Cook is laughing all the way to the bank.
 
Honestly I can't stand Tim Cook. He's just so full of it. Magical, unbelievable, revolutionary, amazing, huge. I feel like he thinks we're dumb or something. Face ID is nothing new. A phone with edge to edge screen is nothing new. iPhone X does not have a "Value Price". Then he says monthly payments is how people get iPhone X. Clearly if people keep upgrading phones, you're kind of throwing money away since you never own the product. Apple is just not the same.

Yeah... Steve Jobs never used hyperbole like that. Right...
 
Yes, it is? Or not.
Pick a side, dude...
Are you just being difficult here or do you seriously not acknowledge that owing someone money for something you got from them is the most basic definition of "debt"?
Spoke to a Accounting major. You’re right. Lease payments (i.e., rent) are liabilities, which can be considered debt.
 
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I can't wait till a pro reviewer does a comparison of 64bit iOS apps on iOS 10 and iOS 11. That will shut up all the Apple defenders.
 
Keep on buying apple products. Tim Cook is laughing all the way to the bank.

Cool story bro.

This year so far I’ve purchased the iPad Pro 10.5-inch, Apple Watch series 3 LTE, and two Apple TV 4Ks, not to mention a slew of Apple case accessories. Next up the iPhone X and maybe the new iMac Pro.

I intend to keep buying.
 
I think these news shows, even if they are just light-news, should be embarrassed to just be commercials for a company trying to push a product.
How is that any different from an entertainer coming on to push their new movie/album/whatever? The only reason these types of shows get big names is to expand audience awareness of something they care about. That's how it works.
 
How is that any different from an entertainer coming on to push their new movie/album/whatever? The only reason these types of shows get big names is to expand audience awareness of something they care about. That's how it works.

I don't know...it kind of feels the shameless plugging of products on late shows and the like is beneath apple. I mean when was the last time you saw a Samsung CEO on the late show. Steve Jobs would debate Bill Gates and Tim Cook is promoting a phone.

It feels like they're trying to build up a personality cult rather then letting the products speak for themselves.
 
"He also said that "very few people" will actually pay the full price of the iPhone at launch, thanks to monthly payment plans that various carriers and Apple itself offers."

Translation: Most people (opposite of "very few") do not have the cash on-hand to buy this device and will therefore go into debt to get it. How very American that thinking is. And he said that like it's a good thing?

it's not your money.
 
Apparently not addictive enough b/c soda sales have been in decline for some time now. It’s why they made the push into flavored water. LaCroix is the new soda.
I've been checking nutritional info on sodas. They still have something like 33 freaking grams of sugar per serving :mad: I believe it's more so education about these products has been helping. This feels similar to tobacco products... I don't believe they've made them less addictive. It's just that public education about them has improved, in addition to placing more restrictions on them (for one, no putting cigarette ads using the Flintstones! :eek:)
 
Wow, the haters are out in full force on this.

Here's a clue people. Get over yourselves. No one gives a crap if YOU think it's a waste of money. People are allowed to spend their money however they damn well please. If you don't like Tim Cook or Apple go to some other site where you can worship your plastic toy of choice.

I find it laughable how arrogant people are in their arguments and calling people sheep for "falling for marketing," as though every Apple owner is too stupid to know what they are doing or understand what we are buying. Most Apple buyers are probably MORE discerning than you condescending Android nerds. Android devices cost almost as much yet, isn't as stable, easy to use nor consistent. Some of us VALUE that above all the "tinkering" you can do on Android. Again, accept that and move on with your life.
 
I am elated at the changes to my iPad Pro 10.5; the rumors of (partial) exposure of the file system, and improved multitasking were a big part of why I didn't skip a generation, and my iPad Pro 9.7 is doing duty with my sister/niece.

I have always been confused by a certain mindset at Apple; they dominate the premium market, but that's not enough, they peddle newspeak/double speak—1080 is all you need, iPhone X has a premium resolution/OLED, 4.7" is as big as you would want and phablets suck, now please buy the + model, etc. I almost didn't get the new iPad Pro—yawn incremental update the iPad Pro 9.7 is PERFECT what could possibly improve in one year?! ApplePencil support is SUBLIME already!!! Actually, 120hz makes a HUGE difference, and so does the A10X. Pocket-book-wise, I really HOPE the third generation of iPad Pro is more incremental.

Anyway, Apple's self-cheerleading is perplexing, and seems kind of like a sexy, intelligent person who is still somehow a bit desperate or thirsty. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I do still own Apple products; we won't get into the metaphors I use to explain an intimate relationship with Samsung. :p But the S8/S8+ screen is ****ING SEXY. The iPhone X screen, to me, looks literally like someone put a Samsung OLED into a stretched 1st Generation iPhone.

I don't doubt ARCkit is monumental—Apple's ecosystem and its robust feature set has always been the center attraction (*snicker* hello, Bixby). I do think it's a bit cheap of Cook to go on TV, but Jobs is dead, and marketing is part of life; this is how Cook does CEO.
 
It's a real concern for me and you just decide to make a mockery out of it? That... is the suffering I have to face for posting on MR, I guess. :)

Well, I have a reason to both update and NOT update to iOS 11, which is something I haven't had to put up with in most of the previous iOS releases, so it's not a particularly nice spot to be in. Don't worry, I'll probably find a way out...
The way people are acting, like end of world. It's a software update. Or forced to adopt it. An if you want. I always have gone with latest update and have never experienced any significant slowdowns.

I mock it because the lamenting people are doing deserves to be mocked. Talk about 1st world problems. Maybe have as much concern for poor souls in Puerto Rico right now.

Perspective, that's all I'm trying to point out.
 
I've grown SICK and tired of him. He should've been gone a long time ago. Along with Ive. I just saw an article on 9to5Mac today that iOS 11 has some glaring UI mistakes and it's made me wonder since Craig was in charge of iOS development, who is exactly to blame. I'm wondering if he got pressured to get it out the door and mistakes got made, OR Cook/Ive didn't notice them and 'greenlighted' it. So Ive's in charge of iOS design along with Marketing, but Craig is part of its development. And everything ends up at Cook's desk for final approval ( ie. thumbs up or thumbs down ).

Someone high up on the chain screwed up. This could end up as another 'Maps' fiasco leading to another head being rolled.

What mistakes?
 
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Sure he did, but while presenting actual innovations. Tim Cook just comes across as a desperate salesman imo wasting superlatives on pretty standard features. Its cringe worthy and his awkward enthusiasm comes across as fake.

Steve was excited, maybe even amazed by what they accomplished. Cook resorts to presenting the expected minimum with new features as paid options and praises it as the second coming. Part of the innovation of Apple was that they could deliver features in volume, with a quality and at a price point which others could not.

Nowadays, TouchBar or Edge-To-Edge display are just additions allowing for higher prices. Little major features get introduced to the volume products, but Cook just repeats the same hyperboles over and over again without much substance to it. The keynotes get more and more scripted and last keynote, people seemed to forget their text at some points and had to remember the phrases they should say. That's just not authentic.
 
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I’ve observed technology for decades. Consumer electronics are seldom revolutionary other than from an engineering perspective. They are typically existing tools, media, or abilities reformatted or re-engineered ( vinyl records > cassette tape > digital audio ) The “advancements” are often accompanied with compromises, and their purpose is unchanged.

I’m sure it’s exciting to developers to have new abilities in their toolkits, but the number of lasting life-changing uses they conceive is quite small. Frankly, many of the technological amusements that have been touted as breakthroughs lately (3D, VR, AI) haven’t proven indispensable. The kitchen spatula has been more useful and successful.

Sure, AR may have the potential to assist with health care, aid in military defense, or enhance education. But in consumer applications, it’s likely to be just another way of achieving nothing important.
I'm skeptical of your "decades" of experience if you think AI hasn't revolutionized billion dollar industries.
 
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The way people are acting, like end of world. It's a software update. Or forced to adopt it. An if you want. I always have gone with latest update and have never experienced any significant slowdowns.

I mock it because the lamenting people are doing deserves to be mocked. Talk about 1st world problems. Maybe have as much concern for poor souls in Puerto Rico right now.

Perspective, that's all I'm trying to point out.
I, as well as most other people on MR, obviously have concerns for many other things in their lives. But this thread and the article is talking about the iOS 11, so of course there will be lamentations on the topic, be it a 1st world problem. Any other discussion would be off-topic... like those poor souls in Puerto Rico. It's not that the commenters don't have regard for perspectives. We're just discussing them one topic at a time, so things get amplified and exaggerated. :)
 
I, as well as most other people on MR, obviously have concerns for many other things in their lives. But this thread and the article is talking about the iOS 11, so of course there will be lamentations on the topic, be it a 1st world problem. Any other discussion would be off-topic... like those poor souls in Puerto Rico. It's not that the commenters don't have regard for perspectives. We're just discussing them one topic at a time, so things get amplified and exaggerated. :)
Amplified and exaggerated are the key words here. Calm down, I just updated my iPhone 7 Plus to IOS 11.
It's working just fine, actually think it's doing thing faster. So all the teeth mashing on here as usual is way over done. How is that for on topic.
 
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Pick a side, dude...

Spoke to a Accounting major. You’re right. Lease payments (i.e., rent) are liabilities, which can be considered debt.
Double check with an actual accountant; lease and rent payments are expenses, and are not capitalized on the balance sheet as liabilities.

That said, the 24 month interest free deal is certainly a liability, as it is an installment loan--and interest free at that--which makes it a better deal than paying all cash upfront (unless yout currency is experiencing deflation).

The iup type "rent payment forever" is not a great deal, although it is less hassle for someone who wants to always have the newest.
 
Double check with an actual accountant; lease and rent payments are expenses, and are not capitalized on the balance sheet as liabilities.

That said, the 24 month interest free deal is certainly a liability, as it is an installment loan--and interest free at that--which makes it a better deal than paying all cash upfront (unless yout currency is experiencing deflation).

The iup type "rent payment forever" is not a great deal, although it is less hassle for someone who wants to always have the newest.
I lease my cars as well. Look for best lease deal, high residual low initial cost cuz they are not moving models. Always have new vehicle, 100% under warranty, zero maintenance. I got sick of fixing my own brakes, shocks, battery, air conditioner, tire, etc don't enjoy crawling under cars any more.

Same with iPhone. Latest and greatest, fresh battery, under warranty, pay for half plus taxes, zero interest then trade in for next one. Get refund for second year of AppleCare+ on phone I trade in.

If I was hurting for cash, just keep phone I have. Had my 4s for three years. But since 6, I have gotten new one each year. Personal choice, not right or wrong, just works for me.
 
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