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Wait, people think Scott Forstall is going to come back to Apple and “save” it? Save it from what exactly? And what was so great about that guy anyway?
 
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Dude needs a new tag line. Think different might have worked in 1984 but it’s not working now. Also how is it different when you are following 95 percent of what others are doing? Apple=Courage.
 
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The brand is still popular enough they can paste the logo on most anything and it’ll sell like hot cakes, but poorly conceived and incomplete products like HomePod might not be saved by the brand name.
Because Apple under Jobs didn’t have its fair share of flops, like the Power Mac G4 Cube, the PowerBook G5 that seemed inevitable but never came, the buttonless iPod shuffle that virtually required you to use the garbage classic Apple earbuds that shipped with ‘em, and (speaking of HomePod!) the iPod Hi-Fi.

Listen, the man was far from infallible.
 
I always liked Forstall at keynotes and I like the look of iOS from his tenure. Unfortunately, not much chance of a return.
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It’s really the lecturing that gets me. I don’t really care about his politics but I do tire of hearing them.

What do you know of “his politics”? Lecturing? Do you have examples? Actual citable quotes would be best, not just your personal feelings.
 
Wait, people think Scott Forstall is going to come back to Apple and “save” it? Save it from what exactly? And what was so great about that guy anyway?
Lord knows. If I were looking to hire a tech executive, his botched launch of Apple Maps and particularly his apparent subsequent refusal to apologize to customers for that humiliating failure would be more than enough for me to toss his résumé in the trash immediately, and frankly it’s probably why he hasn’t had a job in tech since.
 
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Slow week before next WWDC.

Buffett's lieutenants finally convinced Him to buy in the biggest & most profitable company... get use to it, folks. Apple is the new Coke.

Or, may be you prefer... the next IBM, which became arrogant in the 70s, and outsmarted by Gates in the 80s.

Oh! yes, that pipeline. In its prime, Microsoft put tens of billions $ in R&D... leading nowhere. Will Apple do better.

All their energies is taken managing 24/7 what they have, and trying to "satisfy" these big Institutional shareholders.

That, was not the priority of "Apple Computer".

Apple won't hit another bull's eye anytime soon. Cheer up.
 
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Tim should challenge apple to "Think Different" and design "more repairable" macs and iOS devices, keyboards that can be easily replaced, memory and hard-drives that can be upgraded and not be proprietary and restrictive.

Just remember it was Steve who unveiled the iPod, iPhone and MacBook Air.

Apple was well on that path before Tim took over. The original macintosh was ridiculed for no ports or Steve not wanting people to be able to open it and mess with it.
 
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Instead of being busy with socialites activities, Tom Cook should show us how he can use iPad Pro to deliver a Keynote presentation through an overhead projector since he thinks he can replace MacBook with the iPad Pro.
[doublepost=1526274868][/doublepost]‘Think differently!’ has turned into ‘Thin differently!’
 
No sense skating there 10 years before it arrives or you’ll be waiting a long damn time before you can do anything useful.

And that sums up the USB-C only, non-Magsafe MacBook Pro's.

After almost 2 years of sacrificed connectivity, it's still a total nuisance without any tangible benefit at all.
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Oh, but he does. He plainly thinks the future of computing is iPad and he's actively trying to put the iPad in a place where it eats all Macs except for heavy duty devices meant for "professionals."

Trying without succeeding, probably because he doesn't really use either. Speaking as an owner of an iPad Pro next to my MacBook Pro and it can never be a serious replacement --not with this nerfed iOS file system, simplistic apps that are a direct equivalent to their iPhone version, and a keyboard that lacks basic functionality.
 
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Its just a bunch of people who want a public figure to beat up on because the company did or didn't do something to their liking. Also, they don't know him personally, so the disconnection of relationship breeds contempt toward him. It helps some of them feel better about themselves because they feel they can run the company better.

Maybe it is just those on this forum see "success" as creating the best products in the world (or at least trying too) instead of looking instead for the best way to make a profit and save a buck.

Nothing wrong with profits...makes the world go around, apple IS a business. Sloppy products with high profit margins does not cut it on this forum...

People will say..."Then if you don't like it, buy somewhere else..." Well...not much else to run too...so we are stuck with half-baked high priced products if you don't want to go to Microsoft's world.
 
Lord knows. If I were looking to hire a tech executive, his botched launch of Apple Maps and particularly his apparent subsequent refusal to apologize to customers for that humiliating failure would be more than enough for me to toss his résumé in the trash immediately, and frankly it’s probably why he hasn’t had a job in tech since.

Forstall's perfectionism was on par with Jobs', checking UI under a loupe and whatnot, and he made much more sense as a successor compared to miserly bean counter Cook.

Botched launch of Maps you say? Who's taken the fall or any basic responsibility for the fugly iOS 10, insultingly botched iOS 11, recurrent macOS security issues, throttled phone PR mess, or the new class action lawsuit targeting the scandalously ill-conceived MacBook (Pro) keyboards? Who is to blame for the inexcusable dud that is Siri?

Most probably Forstall was scapegoated at a pivotal time for the company.
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Nothing wrong with profits...makes the world go around, apple IS a business. Sloppy products with high profit margins does not cut it on this forum...

People will say..."Then if you don't like it, buy somewhere else..." Well...not much else to run too...so we are stuck with half-baked high priced products if you don't want to go to Microsoft's world.

Exactly. If their position is: “the richest company in the history of the world should just be able to sell **** that doesn’t fully work out of the box, with no accountability, buyer beware or buy somewhere else", then I thoroughly disagree as well.
 
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And that sums up the USB-C only, non-Magsafe MacBook Pro's.

After almost 2 years of sacrificed connectivity, it's still a total nuisance without any tangible benefit at all.

Kind of like the first iMacs being delivered with no floppy drive. And USB flash drives weren’t common yet. And then to top it off, they had CD-ROM drives. Not writable drives... read only drives.

So... when people had problems, what were they supposed to do to save their data??? Oh... yeah... USB or crossover Ethernet to a PC with a writable drive so they could write the data to a recordable CD to copy it back to the Mac once it was fixed... assuming the Mac worked good enough to network it to a PC in the first place.

Keep in mind that cloud storage wasn’t common then yet either.

The work around was generally to try and email everything you could to yourself. But some files were impractical to email over a 56K connection.

Or... you could buy Apple’s external USB floppy drive for $129 (if I remember right).

Eventually options appeared. But the first few years was rough. I got a lot more calls for users with dead computers and lost data.

I’d always told my customers to backup their files to floppy or CD-R/W

But the first iMac had neither. From 1998 to 2000, no writable drives in the iMac. Writable drives appeared in 2001.

So that was definitely a gap. And a huge problem for many people who had critical data. Meanwhile, We all had writable drives on PC’s.
 
instead of "think different" how about you "think about releasing a modular Mac pro at a competitive price point"
 
instead of "think different" how about you "think about releasing a modular Mac pro at a competitive price point"

This sort of thing won’t happen until people start voting with their wallets. Too many people just accept Apple’s pricing and that is the main problem.

The minute people say “I’m not paying that”, Apple will change. But it will never happen because sheep.
 
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Kind of like the first iMacs being delivered with no floppy drive. And USB flash drives weren’t common yet. And then to top it off, they had CD-ROM drives. Not writable drives... read only drives.

So... when people had problems, what were they supposed to do to save their data??? Oh... yeah... USB or crossover Ethernet to a PC with a writable drive so they could write the data to a recordable CD to copy it back to the Mac once it was fixed... assuming the Mac worked good enough to network it to a PC in the first place.

Keep in mind that cloud storage wasn’t common then yet either.

The work around was generally to try and email everything you could to yourself. But some files were impractical to email over a 56K connection.

Or... you could buy Apple’s external USB floppy drive for $129 (if I remember right).

Eventually options appeared. But the first few years was rough. I got a lot more calls for users with dead computers and lost data.

I’d always told my customers to backup their files to floppy or CD-R/W

But the first iMac had neither. From 1998 to 2000, no writable drives in the iMac. Writable drives appeared in 2001.

So that was definitely a gap. And a huge problem for many people who had critical data. Meanwhile, We all had writable drives on PC’s.

Wrong point of comparison. The industry, customer base, company and expectations are a world apart. Some questionable choices were understandable 15 years ago when they were a struggling company on the verge of insolvency and were trying to create a niche. In the meantime Apple grew to 100K employees, hundreds of billions in the bank and a trillion dollar valuation. They grew by building awesome products that used to have unique utility, elegance and interoperability that is now replaced by a dongle hell.

The USBc only MacBooks, compared to the last MBP generation, is a flawed design that you cannot talk your way around. Cook & Ive are building sloppy products for scenarios their users don't live in yet. Yes, sometimes you need to take large steps to push people along, and Apple is (in)famous for it. But this is leaving your users stranded without even tossing them a rope. Late 00s Apple was designing killer products adapted to the user's needs, not random crapshoots that force the user to adapt to them.

PS. With reference to their old USB floppy drive, they now don't even sell a decent USBc hub, other than 3rd party offerings.
 
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This sort of thing won’t happen until people start voting with their wallets. Too many people just accept Apple’s pricing and that is the main problem.

The minute people say “I’m not paying that”, Apple will change. But it will never happen because sheep.

Unfortunately they've outgrown the niche market that created them....and i cant believe that no one has created a simplified OS like the pixel UI on desktop for us to migrate to. F apple F MS its time for google to step up.
 
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