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Apple should be ashamed Siri cannot perform a simple task like bringing back the Olympic medal table.

Stop talking BS Tim and start using your own products !

Siri not being able to handle very simple requests in regards to the olympics and Apple launching stupid Olympic watch bands summarises the current situation at Apple. I knew Siri was behind, but this is actually pathetic.
The day when Siri tells us to "f*** off."
 

dogslobber

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I don't think so. Bill Gates did not have a vision for his company nor a plan when he was in charge then he left the Microsoft boat to someone even worst than him.

Bill Gates did have a vision for his company though. It was Microsoft on every desktop and absolutely kill every attempt by a hardware vendor to deviate from the Microsoft camp. Bill Gates suddenly realized what a money printing machine he had when IBM signed the deal and he could sell MS-DOS to others as well. He protected that monopoly like his life depended on it killing all others around. The wheels fell off after he stepped down, mind you.
 

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"Can you tell me about your job?"

Cook - "Yes, my job is to make sure we re-use the same tech years and years over, but continue to charge premium prices. Also, I'll continue to come out with more watch bands"

Millions of people continue to pay over the odds for this old tech. So, who's the idiot?
 

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This situation is one that has the potential to blow everyone's mind later this year.

You assume apple will launch updates that are superior , they could pull a Mac mini 2014 update on thier Mac range....
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Millions of people continue to pay over the odds for this old tech. So, who's the idiot?

This. Most people don't care about the specs, they walk in and get a new Mac if they need one. With CPU/GPU on any model being able to meet the average users needs, an update will bring very little, the minority of users need more performance
 

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I really hate the Apple store changes. I was there yesterday and the layout and variety of accessories is horrible. I used to enjoy going, now it's a form of torture.

I don't know who's idea it was to change the Genius Bar to Genius Grove but it's stupid. Companies spend years building branding reputations. I see no advantage to screwing with that when it was working just fine.

I really like Angela and working with her reminds me a great deal of Jobs as she has great idea's. While CEO of Burberry from '06-'14, she turned a near bankrupt company into a successful brand. She has great idea's but lacks the knowledge to bring them to life. With the help of contracted technology companies, Ahrendts introduced brilliant ideas such as mirrors that show a client wearing the clothing by holding it up in front. She also overhauled and streamlined back of house communications and made it a point to work with everyone she could on a personal, face to face basis, retail and corporate. In essence, she has some great idea's very much like Jobs but with diplomacy :).

From what I've gathered Stateside and what's coming my way here, Ahrendts and Ive have spent two years designing various new store layouts with target markets acting as shoppers during various points of an average retail day in order to address many issues with retail.

Before the iPhone, retail and Genius bar associates were required to have at least an Associates Degree and a background in technology/systems. Two weeks training in Cupertino was standard for Geniuses who earned $65k+/year. Retail couldn't maintain demand after the iPhone. 15% new hires every Holiday season. The amount of time floor specialists spent with a client dropped tremendously post-iPhone. POS is crucial for clients to leave with confidence on how to use their new system, eliminating return clients for simple solutions by developing a report via one-on-one client-specialist relationships.

Back of house has become a crowded mess as the bar is filled with mostly iPhone owners with simple solutions. Part-time associates replaced trained professionals, most young and rushing to meet demand. I remember visiting a store in NY for a meeting and a hearing impaired woman was asking for help with her new iPhone 6. I spent an hour with her, answering all her questions, showing her how her hearing aids worked with Accessibility options, getting her contacts back and explaining iCloud features, and much more. At the end, she was crying as she was so ecstatic; she didn't know a fraction of what these devices can do. That's where we're headed and that's one of the reasons I love helping others, bridging the gap between tech and non-tech savvy people while removing the fear many have with their devices so they can freely explore and use them to their full potential. I'm amazed that many don't know how to search on their iOS devices. Basic functionality that needs addressing.

The new retail layouts have been a success and are rolling out in North America with a few already opened. Dedicated sections for each platform/device allow specialists to spend as much time with clients as needed, lessening back of house congestion and improving flow and client experiences. The difficult part is rolling out the new changes in EU locations as we have to maintain strict exterior and interior historical guidelines. Each location is a reflection of the local country/culture mixed with Apple's well recognized retail architecture. It’s a fun challenge.
 
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Cook isn't a visionary, he's a logistics guy. Bringing in a bunch of other execs is just run the company by committee. This isn't the Steve Jobs Apple. Steve would tell you that your idea was **** or your implementation sucked. This singular focus in the company is gone and can never be recreated.
It can be created when the parasites are gone. Keep in mind, Steve came back when Apple only had six months of operating capital and the lampreys has no more blood to suck. He turned it around just like Lee Iaccoca did to Chrysler in the 80s by cutting out the fat and firing those looking for a safe job. I lost a friend over telling him to put everything he had in Apple stock when Steve Jobs came back. He mocked my advise, broke off out friendship and to this day is bitter towards me.

One great thing about Corporate America is that most of it is all performance based with less than 20% of the companies in some form of tent-pole economics. My take is that the new mother-ship campus is going to be very quite and under occupied in the next few years with a shake out of fat. Then someone will come in and make the Next Great Thing happen.

A story I keep on hearing is that before Steve Jobs died, he wanted an Apple outsider to lead the company. This was rejected by the board keeping the "old boys" in charge. Apple has come to the end of Steve Jobs product plans and the well is getting dry. I'm sure there are hundreds of very talented and imaginative people with great product ideas that are not getting any headway into the Cupertino board room over lack of politics and right connections.
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In essence, she has some great idea's very much like Jobs but with diplomacy :).
That is her shortfall, being too nice. She is not in fashion anymore. In tech you need to chainsaw your way through the Bozo Parade to make things happen. I hope Angela had a sit down with Judy Owen of (Chips and Technologies fame) for a talk to learn this town.
 
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It's about the product.
And from a product standpoint, Apple is deep in a lull.
iOS expanded on to too many products before it was mature and ready, giving everything a half-baked feel, and progress on OS X, Macs, and Pro apps has slowed to a crawl or disappeared, leaving the backbone weak. 2007-2010 Apple looked like a steak dinner. Now it looks like the day-old donut shelf.

iOS before Tim Cook: iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad
iOS after Tim Cook: iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad

Yeah, right... "too many products"... right!
 

akadafni

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Excellent point. Who is going to walk in the door and replace him and immediately bring to market a slew of new products and drastic changes to existing ones?
Exactly! And the same people who are currently complaining about no innovation and new products will then complain about too many changes. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 
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CFreymarc

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Bill Gates suddenly realized what a money printing machine he had when IBM signed the deal and he could sell MS-DOS to others as well. He protected that monopoly like his life depended on it killing all others around. The wheels fell off after he stepped down, mind you.
A few things happened to Microsoft compromising its position. While him stepping down removed a lot of aggressive marketing of the company, upcoming technology overall obsoleted their business model.

Moving from Desktop/laptop to Mobile Devices never happened due to an encampment of millionaire engineers with now high school kids and their attention off the cutting edge. While there was massive marketing rhetoric about going mobile, the resources placed into Windows Mobile never eclipsed their desktop engineering efforts.

They had a brief opportunity between Palm imploding and the launch of the iPhone they never took advantage of properly. By the time the iPhone came out, it was too late. Buying Nokia was a last ditch effort that totally tanked.

To use an old medieval line, "The prince won the rule of the castle but the merchants cut them off the trade routes."
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iOS before Tim Cook: iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad
iOS after Tim Cook: iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad

Yeah, right... "too many products"... right!

More like, iOS after Tim Cook: iPhone/iPod Touch, iPad, tvOS, watchOS and larger size iPad.

Supposedly there is an experimental, ARM based, Mac Mini prototype in the bowels of Cupertino running an experimental desktop iOS. Who knows if that will ever see the light of day.
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Nope nope nope! None of this is warming me up for anything. It's a non-vision.

Last keynote was a great reflection of Apple today. It's a club of seniors that make you shiver when they use words like "Amazing" and "extremely" and try to be hip. It's like your stupid uncle using words like cool and awesome.
My take is the latest technology wave is passing by the Apple board. Look at the average age of the Apple board, you see them approaching 60 and out of the cutting edge. I expect to see a heavy Apple board turn-over in the next four years. If Trump gets elected, expect it happen quicker.
 
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RamGuy

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Wow, reading these comments reminds me of how loud soccer (european football) fans tends to react and behave as soon as their team is underperforming for a few matches. Everyone starts to scream about how the trainer / manager needs to get fired because he is doing a horrible job with the team and how the team needs to replace pretty much the entire team with new and better players.

Two months later, the team is back on track and noone is complaining anymore. But as soon as you lose a few, the ********* starts all over again...


There is no point in firing Tim Cook at this stage. He has not done anything wrong after taking over as a CEO of the company. When we look at Apple's overall market value and profit, Tim has managed to make the tree grow even further into heaven something that in and of itself is impressive considering he took over a company that as already at an all time high.

But that's Tim Cook's biggest problem. He took over a company that was already skyrocketing towards heaven. And he took over for what must be the most popular CEO of any company of all time? The status that Steve Jobs had within the company was next to none, and I don't think the world has ever seen a CEO of a consumer products company like Apple having a CEO with such a enormous amount of fans out there.

There is simply no way Tim Cook could ever "deliver" what people want as a successor to Steve Jobs. No matter what he does, there will also be a large number of people complaining.



With that said, he has yet to really prove himself as a visionary. Apple has yet to release anything new after he took over as CEO of Apple. The only thing we've got so far is the new MacBook 12-inch and the Apple Watch and that's pretty much it. Both are great devices, but none of them are any marvels of the industry.


The Apple Watch is a great devices and arguably the best smart watch on the market. And it became the most popular one right away. The problem for Apple is that smart watches a market does not seem to be taking off, so having the best product in this category is always nice but it won't really give Apple much of anything in the long run unless something fundamental changes and smart watches suddenly become a thing that most consumers want to have on their wrist.

The MacBook 12-inch is a great notebook, it's my personal favorite of the whole line-up at the moment and it's yet again Apple delivering something that is perhaps the best on the market in its size and weight category. But it's nothing really that special, it's just a really great looking and well-built notebook that is really thin and lightweight due to the Intel Core M not requiring active cooling.



All the other products have not seen much of an improvement other than spec bumps. We still have the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro line-up that has yet to see any re-design for a couple of years now. They still look and works great, but the Air really needs to get better displays and the Pro's did take a awkward turn when they never got updated to Intel Skylake and Apple suddenly decided to ditch NVIDIA graphics for AMD in a time where NVIDIA is simply superior in every way. Both in terms of performance and power usage.


The iPhone did see a real upswing in sales with the iPhone 6, and that's a model that got released under Tim Cook. But the release didn't bring anything special other than increasing in size, something the market was demanding resulting in a huge spike in sales. And now rumours has it that we are going to get the third iPhone release with basically the same design, so that's two years with simply a spec bump and nothing else done to the phone.



People are asking for Apple to reinvent the wheel. And that is just not going to happen anything soon. It's not like new, revolutionary products and new groundbreaking product categories are created every few years. When looking at Apple's past, it's not like Steve Jobs walked on stage every two or three years and revolutionised the world.

So why people seem to expect and demand that Tim Cook should bring forth the "next-big-thing" already is beyond me. That's not how it works, and that's not how Apple did it under Steve Jobs either.



But it might seem like Tim Cook is being too much of "that nice guy". Where Steve Jobs was known to be ruthless, it seems like Tim tries to be a "buddy". If he lets all the others go rampant and do whatever they want it will cause a mess down the line. And he seems to be taking this "nice guy" approach towards the board as well, focusing on maximising profits of each product line.

Decisions like sticking with 16GB iPhones and iPads doesn't really make much sense. It starts hurting Apple when consumers gets frustrated by the lack of space on their devices. And tossing a "Pro" name onto the new iPad 9,7-inch just to be able to increase its price even though it features the exact same hardware as one would expect a iPad Air 3 to feature just feels dumb.

And the prices for Apple's first-party accessory have also increased to hideous levels under Tim Cook. Take that charing cryb/stand for the Apple Watch. Or the prices for case and smart cover for the iPad Pro.
 

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The problem with Cooke - while the interview is decent - is simple: the guy has a very untradtional thought process of what a CEO of forbes 500 company has to do.

For everyone interested in a more empiric definition: http://www.steverrobbins.com/articles/ceojob/

1. keep your political stuff to yourself, it isn't part of the job, period.
2. Outline a general example of what the company will be in X years
3. You need a hierarchy and given that he is basically the man in the company now, Yves, Schiller and all the other big dogs should have to report to him, sure with some leeway but there is no way Yves should be able to just do his thing. People are forgetting that Jony could do what he wanted under Jobs but at the end of the day Jobs was the one calling the shots. I remember in his biography him basically having "intense" meetings with Mr. Yves.
4. Allocation of ressources: and here I think Apple might have the same - yet extremely nice to have - problem of having too much cash! When a company has so much money you can invest in a lot of stuff but there still needs to be one clear focus and it can't just be the cash-cow, every company does need some "stars" once in a while in order to have something to replace the afore mentioned cash cows of the presence. That's a point where I think Apple is falling behind under Tim Cook, he doesn't seem to know enough about potential new stars in the company. I know I'm in the minority but I highly doubt smartwatches (excuse me Applewatch), fitnessbands and VR stuff will reach the point of smartphone success in the next 5 years.
5. Stand behind the products that's something nobody did better than Jobs (including Bill Gates). Jobs would throw millions and millions of $ into a recycle bin if he didn't like the design, hardware of something. Tim coming out and saying that the IPP will replace the PC, while having the MBP and MP line is some sort of underselling your own products.

Anyhow that's just my opinion so I'm sure a lot of people will lable it as hatred but so be it.

This was a good list, but I think your wrong about the resources. I remember the stories about products being left to linger as resources were shifted to other projects and devices. Apple I think lacks resources, it needs more engineers etc, perhaps it's a cost saving exercise? Who knows.

I'm not sure if Apple has lost its mojo, I mean I think the iPad Pro is a wicked device, I bought one! Or maybe I should say it's lost it's mojo with some products, boosted it with others?
I certainly don't think the leadership team is as clear thinking and directional as it was under Jobs. I'm also not certain jobs came up with the Apple Watch and hiring fashion experts either. Maybe he wanted to build a car? If that's what their doing.

I think next years iPhone and this years MacBook Pro, if they launch one, will be pinnacle devices in their respective markets.
 

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5 Years of Tim Cook — The Condensed Summary Version:

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Well done. The disdain of Apple to the Mac line up infuriates me. I am a professional designer and most of my gear is outdated. I am ready to buy a new MP, displays and all. Apple could make a profit there and from all folks that rely on their gear. Get your act straight Apple.
 

apolloa

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Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
Bill Gates did have a vision for his company though. It was Microsoft on every desktop and absolutely kill every attempt by a hardware vendor to deviate from the Microsoft camp. Bill Gates suddenly realized what a money printing machine he had when IBM signed the deal and he could sell MS-DOS to others as well. He protected that monopoly like his life depended on it killing all others around. The wheels fell off after he stepped down, mind you.

One clear example of that is Xbox. Last generation the 360 nailed it and rulled in sales and popularity, now with this new gen and no Gates, they messed up the Xbox Ones launch big time with DRM talk and always on Kinect etc. At least they fired the man in charge and Phill Spencer has done a cracking job as the new boss getting it back on track, but it's taken 3 years mind.
 

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if it wasn't for TouchWiz I would immediatelely get myself a Galaxy Note 7.
TouchWiz has become very good.

Although I have a Galaxy Note 7 on pre-order, I'm still enjoying my Nexus 6P which has been my primary and favorite smartphone since it's release.

Most of the reasons people cite for avoiding Android are issues that no longer exist. Reading their comments reveals it's been a long while since they tried Android... Or that they're pro iPhone.

Choice is good.
 
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erasr

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It's funny when I read people's comments thinking Apple are giving up on Mac. No wonder you don't run a successful business yourself (just a hunch).

I regularly visit the Google offices in London and let me tell you, almost every employee I see has a MacBook. Same at my work, same st any design or digital agency.

Macs may not be their most profitable or biggest product, but they certainly won't give up on the laptop / desktop market. If they did, Microsoft would start making headway again.

Apple is a computer company foremost and always will be. Even if it's a small market, having employees across the world use Macs equals a bigger picture. It's the bigger picture you need to think about when developing products.
 

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TouchWiz has become very good.

Although I have a Galaxy Note 7 on pre-order, I'm still enjoying my Nexus 6P which has been my primary and favorite smartphone since it's release.

Most of the reasons people cite for avoiding Android are issues that no longer exist. Reading their comments reveals it's been a long while since they tried Android... Or that they're pro iPhone.

Choice is good.

I'm extremely curious about the Nexus 6P and Galaxy Note 5 ( well 7 now ). But the Note 5 has my attention if the Apple options diminish.
 

erasr

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One clear example of that is Xbox. Last generation the 360 nailed it and rulled in sales and popularity, now with this new gen and no Gates, they messed up the Xbox Ones launch big time with DRM talk and always on Kinect etc. At least they fired the man in charge and Phill Spencer has done a cracking job as the new boss getting it back on track, but it's taken 3 years mind.

Cracking job? It's got even further behind PS4 and they've messed up their messaging again around Scorpio and the new slim model.
 

nt5672

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I'm really surprised at the way haters took to Tim Cook just months after he started running Apple. There's more to the success story with Tim leading Apple.

Agree if you are a teenager or twenty something acting like a teenager. If you need to use real computers, not so much.
 
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