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Apple used to have this. There was a macOS app called front row that offered a pre-AppleTV interface. It focused on media playback (in the pre-streaming days) and had a simple interface meant for a TV. Apple even included a bundle IR remote with macs for several years with the IR receiver integrated.

Front Row. It wasn't exactly the same thing. It was Apple's version of Windows Media Center, which has also been killed off because nobody used it back then.

But for a device such as an Apple TV or Mac Mini attached to a UHD TV it would make sense to be able to merge the products.
 
I'm starting to turn into one of the "Steve Jobs would have never let this happen" folks, simply because it has become impossible to ignore the change in Apple's treatment of the Mac since his passing.

Have you forgotten that it was Jobs who coined the term "post-PC" where the PC (including the Mac) had a very small role as specialised computers, aka trucks?

I believe that Jobs' favourite Apple product of all time was the iPad.
 
It's already watered down, the Ipad isn't a computer.
I'm not so sure, and would respectfully disagree with you.

I know plenty of people who just need to browse the web, send emails, watch Netflix and play a few games. Sure, the iPad isn't great as a means of productively but for the people I've outlined, you could argue that it falls-under the definition of a computer.

To be honest, most of what I do on my iMac I could just as easily do on my iPad; I just like the Mac's larger screen...
 
Apple not being the main use for business purposes makes combining these products a niche area of customers.

The surface has its place I would be absolutely perfect for some work environments. I wanted one in my last job. The only reason for it over an iPad was needing to use a mouse occasionally and support of business apps that Apple doesn’t have.
 
I agree with Apple’s decision here, but for the sake of argument I wish Cook would be specific about the compromises he is referring to.
 
Right... so the iPad lacks connectivity and the Mac lacks ports. But the iPad has an official keyboard accessory which makes the 'computing' experience even worse than a MacBook Air.
 
You know that's fixed now right?

You can have your Windows back...Satya is unforking the Ballmer era at lightning speed.

Ironically what Apple needs now is a clear and focused CEO who sees the future...like post-Ballmer Microsoft.

Get your services game up to speed, get your hardware integration tight, and if the masses say they don't want something stop cramming it down their throats.

Weird how Microsoft and Apple have changed places to some extent, with Apple stuck on old paradigms and forcing users to adopt things they don't want to adopt and Microsoft shipping a bunch of good, tight products that hit the nail on the head.

Surface Pro really works and really is selling: Desktop OS, tablet form factor, no compromises.

Meanwhile at Apple:

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It isn’t fixed, I have to use Windows 10 for work and gaming... it’s bloody horrible. They need to stick to one UI, get rid of the Tablet style UI.
 
The man doesn’t believe in watering down one for the other but has no problem in just watering down :)

Additional ports are disappearing, mag safe is gone, new MacBook keyboards are more suitable to the occasional typist rather than the regular. How long before there is little to set them apart in real practical terms?
 
But it is.

Now a Mac with a hybrid screen like some of the Windows machines .... that I could see.

They patented one in 2010. As a creative, I’d like it, but the market for these would be too small.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/08/the-mother-lode-welcome-to-the-imac-touch.html

I’m sure Surface Studio sales are tiny. But it’s an aspirational product for MS. If other companies make similar PCs they can sell more copies of Windows.

For example, Wacom just launched a new range of Cintiqs with upgradeable PCs that slot in.
https://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk...cintiq-pro-is-here-plus-its-first-desktop-pc/

Much too niche for Apple.
 
The man doesn’t believe in watering down one for the other but has no problem in just watering down :)

Additional ports are disappearing, mag safe is gone, new MacBook keyboards are more suitable to the occasional typist rather than the regular. How long before there is little to set them apart in real practical terms?
We can only hope that Linux on the desktop starts being great before Macs start really sucking. On a completely unrelated note, is it still possible to get a new pre-touchbar 15" MBP?
 
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Why should compromise be a bad thing? There are always compromises between price and quality, between form and function, between durability and recyclability, between battery life and processing power, etc. If Apple didn't compromise, there would be no Apple products. Tim Cook is talking nonsense and it reminds me of Steve Jobs's resistance to giving the iPad a stylus. Sometimes even the brightest people are wrong.
 
When I used to jailbreak my iPad I'd use coda with a mouse, it was excellent... I'm a bit more security conscious now, so can't really edit stuff as easily so don't bother. A hybrid would be excellent - Surface is so nearly there, I just don't like windows.
 
Starting from scratch doesn't mean you throw out all the good stuff. It just means that you start a new team to work on a new operating system but borrow heavily from other teams.

That's not really materially different from what they actually ended up doing...
 
Apple has ARM processors that beat Intel on performance and cost a lot less. Absolutely no problem in merging versions of UNIX. Most apps in the cloud can be made compatible to a better version of the OS. Cook is way behind the times if he thinks ARM is not the future of Apple.
 
Tim: "You want us to build an OS which offers you a touch-oriented interface when your laptop is folded screen-out or a keyboard is detached from your tablet, and returns back to a full-blown desktop experience otherwise? Able to stay online and give you notifications even when "asleep", like a phone or a tablet? May be you also want it to be able to run a developer tool-chain which facilitates dual-mode applications' creation?

You say, such a device and OS will redeem to some extent our courageous all-glued-and-soldered attitude? And don't even tell me you also want a damned command prompt there and the ability to install apps not from our store!

Better we spend some more time inventing use cases for our absolutely perfect iPads to finally persuade you that they and their cripple-of-an-OS provide an absolutely fantastic and future-oriented computing experience! Computer reinvented! Innovation! Courage to remove ports! Also give us a couple more years to reinvent a desktop computer. May be you forget you needed a Pro or Mini by that time."

Me: "I'm typing this on a 2015 13" MBPro, with a lot of ports (sorry, already no Ethernet; RAM and HD not user-serviceable) and a magnetic power connector. I'm not going to buy something which will force me to use an adapter to plug in a USB flash drive. My next laptop will be not from Apple.

I had and gave away an iPad Pro 9.7" with a keyboard and a Pencil. I found it a tool without a task and seriously lacking as a computer because of a parody of an OS it runs and the lack of ports. I'm not going to buy anything like that for myself anytime soon. It is probably good for children to watch Youtube, play casual games and practice drawing, though somewhat expensive for those serious tasks. May be."
 
I agree. I don’t know why people want their Macs to be iPads as well (or vice versa). That concept has been proven to fail again and again on Windows side.

And touch screen on Windows laptop are there because of their crappy trackpads. Just watch any Windows users and what they use the touch screen for, to scroll pages. That’s a silly reason to completely haul MacOS for Touch, especially since Apple has pretty much the best trackpad, period.
 
Traditional PC's will remain for those who handle operational tasks for their work. When it comes to personal computers or non operational careers, the iPad is a perfect fit. People who say Jobs wouldn't be this short sighted seem to forget that he felt the exact same way. It's okay that the Mac and macOS will be a small subset of users, it already is, and it doesn't mean it can't be important in that role.
 
They should make a good laptop first.
And a good desktop
By good I mean not a laptop-on-stick having to throttle after 10 mins of full load.
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It has crappy software support. How many apps are actually optimized for it?
Everything that’s not apple apps runs faster on windows than OS X. Especially anythint 3D related.
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We can only hope that Linux on the desktop starts being great before Macs start really sucking. On a completely unrelated note, is it still possible to get a new pre-touchbar 15" MBP?
Yes, with 3 year old boardwell processors and NO dedicated graphics. Performs worse than a $700 kabylake-R ultrabook that will get better battery life. ONLY for the low, low price of 1,999. Absolutely a steal.
Did I mention the kabylaby-R ultrabook can use external GPU while the MBP that’s still sold as new can’t?
 



Apple CEO Tim Cook remains against the idea of merging the Mac and iPad to create one unified hardware and software experience, according to a brief conversation he had at Apple's education event in Chicago last month.

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"We don't believe in sort of watering down one for the other," said Cook, speaking with The Sydney Morning Herald's Peter Wells. "One of the reasons that both of them are incredible is because we pushed them to do what they do well. And if you begin to merge the two ... you begin to make trade offs and compromises."

"So maybe the company would be more efficient at the end of the day, but that's not what it's about," he added. "It's about giving people things that they can then use to help them change the world or express their passion or express their creativity. So this merger thing that some folks are fixated on, I don't think that's what users want."

Cook reiterated that he generally uses a Mac at work, and uses an iPad at home and for travel, but added "I use everything and I love everything."

Apple's boss also revealed that an Apple IIc, released in 1984, was his first computer. "I first used it for a project, as a senior in engineering school, making an inventory control program or for a rental business that was close by," said Cook, who majored in industrial engineering at Auburn University.

Cook's comments echo those he shared with the Irish Independent in 2015, when he said Apple is not interested in creating a "converged Mac and iPad."

"What that would wind up doing, or what we're worried would happen, is that neither experience would be as good as the customer wants. So we want to make the best tablet in the world and the best Mac in the world. And putting those two together would not achieve either. You'd begin to compromise in different ways."

While the Mac and iPad will remain distinct products, Apple has and will continue to bridge the gap between its desktop and mobile platforms. In 2014, for example, it introduced Continuity features like Handoff and Universal Clipboard that enable more seamless experiences across Mac, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch.

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Apple may go one step further in iOS 12 and macOS 10.14, as Bloomberg's Mark Gurman recently reported that developers will be able to design a single third-party app that works with both a touchscreen, and a mouse or trackpad, depending on whether it's running on an iPhone, iPad, or Mac, starting later this year.

Article Link: Tim Cook Insists Merging Mac and iPad Would Result in Compromises
 
I just don't think the tech is there yet to merge the two, honestly. We're still a few years away from this being viable.
 
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