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And in case you seen an advantage in that separation, you are free to choose. M$ offers the SurfaceBook to serve both at the same time, although you might as well get a Surface Pro and a Surface Laptop and keep both for separate occasions. So that's not the problem, the problem ist that Apple won't give us a choice.

That aside he should have just been honest and said: "Look folks, we need to sell both in order to keep our margins up. Which is also why we won't put an LTE modem into your MacBooks. We want and need you to buy the whole nine yards for a decent profit. Case closed."

I for one would have acknowledged honesty instead of hogwash.
Yeah, because as a near Trillion dollar company...they aren't making enough profit.

While I concede that having separate lines does have economic repercussions for the company, the ipad and MacBook/Pro laptops have hugely different price points, and therefore address different parts of the market. Additionally, adding an LTE chip would add additional cost, antennae, battery drain, and for the consumer, one more LTE access subscription with a wireless carrier. While some of us would be interested in LTE in our laptops (and I have always thought it would be great), I would not want to spend the additional subscription and hardware costs. I am happy using my iphone or LTE ipad as my modem for my laptop when I am travelling.
 
I wonder if the iOS Simulator (or something like it) might be released as part of Mac OS. That would allow iOS app writers to optionally target the Simulator and sell their apps on Mac OS.

Fundamentally, iOS apps differ from Mac apps, especially in UX. If iOS app developers have to use a Mac regardless to develop on, then I don't understand what the purpose of this is.
 
To all the people repeating "What is a computer" mantras and posting links to generously all-encompassing definitions of "a computer".

I hope you understand, that according to these definitions, most digital photo cameras, security cameras, cheapest routers, even most modern network adapters by themselves are computers - they are definitely programmable blah-blah-blah-etc.

I sincerely wish you all were forced to use the very-very best high-end photo cameras as your only computers. At least for a couple of months. To feel the hypocrisy of all this "post-PC" BS.

If something you own is not programmable BY YOU, if your interfaces (from physical ones to APIs) to the thing are strictly limited, if the choice of the software you can run on it and it's permitted functionality belongs not to you, but to the vendor - don't call it a computer, at least YOUR computer. A specialized device built upon some computer platform, probably.
[doublepost=1524310908][/doublepost]And about the Saint Jobs.

Seems everyone has forgotten who told you: "You are holding it wrong!" as an excuse for his impressive screw-up which cost you your money.

He was a brilliant PR specialist, way brighter than Tim.

His choice to build mobile gadgets with capacitative screens and touch-and-gesture based interfaces was, probably, the best possible.

He was willing to take serious business risks to popularize his ideas. But were all of those ideas as good as his interface choice?

It was Steve, who was forcing down our throats the idea, that we don't need the very paradigm of a file. It was Steve, thanks to whom iOS users are still extremely limited in how they store their data, how they transfer it and what are they allowed to transfer and to whom. A sinkholes of iTunes and iBooks, where you can put anything but not get it back are Steve's vision. The artificially ignored bluetooth file transfer capabilities - his. iOS is still lagging behind Android in usability and it takes iOS users literally years and a lot of pleading to get some things Android users have. And only partially.

His analogy of trucks vs cars is plain false.

What he offered you were public buses, where you can not choose the route and you own nothing. The beautiful world of access terminals instead of computers and of clouds where your data is managed by someone else.

My dear Soviet Union, where you had crazy cheap public transport (even flights!), albeit a bit messy. (Everyone has a smartphone with a limited choice of software and most data in the clouds). Private cars which were not easy to buy even if you had money - you had to wait in queues and they were considered sort of a luxury despite their generally crappy quality. (Consumer PCs are fading out of the market and will become less available - lower quality - etc. Want an affordable laptop - get your Chromebook, LOL!). And trucks and tractors which were for organizations only. (Wanna a computer with all the functions you need and no one spying on your data? FU very soon)))

A sane and law abiding citizen doesn't really need to: have a truck, drive a car himself, add RAM or hard drive, be able to repair something, transfer files, choose a software, read ARP tables, scan wireless networks, manage own data - you can add more. Those things are for licensed specialists only. You are dumb and we know better. And we will do our best to make you even dumber. It's easier to get your money then. For your own good. Don't think, it's easy. Those people who want to drive cars themselves and to control their computers are ridiculous Luddites and stinky geeks, no-lifers, they are fighting against our fantastic nice-and-easy-to-live future. Enjoy it! What is a computer, really?

*applause*

I think it’s a stretch to equate a smartphone or tablet with a personal computer. Their abilities aren’t equal. Geeks can rightly argue the hardware potentials are similar, but the devices aren’t equally handicapped by OS limitations and UI considerations.

PCs were perhaps too much tool for the average consumer who used them primarily for leisure interests: browsing the web, socializing, enjoying multimedia. Apple can’t be faulted for catering to Joe Public. But Apple shouldn’t insist it’s still a computer vendor for professionals and hobbyists while ignoring that audience’s needs and preferences for long stretches.
 
Tim is 100% correct. To merge Macs and IOS devices would drive me away from Apple. I have Music editing applications on my iMacs that would be so cumbersome in a "half breed" Mac/IOS device of some type. I get tense just thinking about it!
 
Tim is 100% correct. To merge Macs and IOS devices would drive me away from Apple. I have Music editing applications on my iMacs that would be so cumbersome in a "half breed" Mac/IOS device of some type. I get tense just thinking about it!

I agree.
Plus its a great money maker......
 
What he offered you were public buses, where you can not choose the route and you own nothing. The beautiful world of access terminals instead of computers and of clouds where your data is managed by someone else.

A sane and law abiding citizen doesn't really need to: have a truck, drive a car himself, add RAM or hard drive, be able to repair something, transfer files, choose a software, read ARP tables, scan wireless networks, manage own data - you can add more. Those things are for licensed specialists only. You are dumb and we know better. And we will do our best to make you even dumber. It's easier to get your money then. For your own good. Don't think, it's easy. Those people who want to drive cars themselves and to control their computers are ridiculous Luddites and stinky geeks, no-lifers, they are fighting against our fantastic nice-and-easy-to-live future. Enjoy it! What is a computer, really?

You hit the nail on the head... the corporate model for the future is certainly heading towards HAL9000 - "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid YOU can't do that".
 
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Of course there would be too many compromises, that is until they introduce it, then there would be the best thing since sliced bread.

I remember Apple saying that touch was all you needed and why have a stylus until they introduced the pencil.
 
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Please don’t mis-quote the late Steve Jobs.
Check your facts prior to repeating this myth.

He said it was stupid to use a stylus to navigate a tablet as you have fingers. Slight difference

Was it a tablet?

I only remember his reference to a stylus during his iPhone keynote.
 
Fundamentally, iOS apps differ from Mac apps, especially in UX. If iOS app developers have to use a Mac regardless to develop on, then I don't understand what the purpose of this is.


More fundamentally, iOS and MacOS are entirely different under the hood. iOS is for people who don't need a computer. That's fine, and there are a lot more people who don't need a computer than those who do, and that's fine, but you come unstuck when you try to have feature parity between the OSes. It just cannot be done in so many cases… without lobotomising Mac applications. iWork being the case in point.

We seem to accept Garage Band being different apps on each OS - because a Mac can do so much more than an iPad or phone.

Yet Apple seems hell-bent on dumbing down Mac iWork applications for feature parity with iPad.

Adobe of all corporations with Lightroom on iPad seems to have come up with a way of extracting useful workflow from a powerful app for iOS that doesn't require re-work when you get back to Mac OS. It relies on having images in the cloud, and that is a can of worms I'd rather not open, but it is in many ways useful professional functionality across iOS and MacOS.

Not sure Apple is as capable anymore. Used to be a primo software house. Those days are long gone.

Pencil is a great professional example here. A professional failure, not for its functionality, but for the users that need Pencil the most, having to basically start again in a pro application on the Mac after all the work they've done on iPad. Not only is there no integration with MacOS, the lack of Pencil and touch on MacOS, cripples the Mac once you get there.

A shocking indictment of Apple's Pro strategy. Wanna bet the pro workflow team are nowhere near integration of Pencil and iOS/MacOS.

Apple is a software joke these days. Totally unable to think about more than iPhone. The bigger it's gotten, the dumber it acts. It's 10 times as big as it was before iPhone. The Mac business, though small, is the size of many single large businesses, but the hardware is unwanted by the market, software neglected and a decade out of date, and the OS died the day iOS became a success.

I'm afraid it doesn't matter if Cook combines MacOS and iOS or not. Apple has lost its way and couldn't get either one right. Killing Mac to protect iPhone. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
 
Completely agree. When people use thick and heavy Surface as a tablet you can clearly see the advantage of having two devices instead of a 2 in 1.
But it's not about to use Mac OS on iPad, but iOS (which seems much more evolved) on a Mac.
 
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I switched back to my 2015MBP this week -- I simply couldn't stand working on that clacking POS 2017MBP. the Touch Bar is a joke.

I have a 2010 and 2012 MBP 15.4, and 2011 Mini and MBA. Only the MBA upgrade stays tempting, and not really that much. I'm in no rush to upgrade my iPhone 6S and my 2017 iPad is just fine.
 
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Yeah, because as a near Trillion dollar company...they aren't making enough profit.
As funny as it sounds, I can't make out any other reason.

[…]adding an LTE chip would add additional cost, antennae, battery drain, and for the consumer, one more LTE access subscription with a wireless carrier. While some of us would be interested in LTE in our laptops (and I have always thought it would be great), I would not want to spend the additional subscription and hardware costs. I am happy using my iphone or LTE ipad as my modem for my laptop when I am travelling.
See, that's the thing. With any other manufacturer on earth, you get to choose. If you're happy with using your phone as a modem, you just don't order the version with LTE.

I for one hate to drain my phone battery just to access the internet, so I'd get the version with the modem on board. Apple would be able to sell me the necessary LTE parts with a good $90 markup and we'd both be happy.

Now, I don't even want to get into the fact that ubiquitous internet should be a thing nowadays and hence, a cellular modem would be a basic inclusion, just like keyboard and trackpad. I highle doubt the entire BOM would be more than $10 for Apple. But even for all the money in the world it can't be had. That I can't understand.
 
I think who ever wants an híbrid MacBook Pro should just buy a Surface Pro and get out. Honestly, what is holding them?

It does make sense for iOS to support a mouse in the iPad Pro. I understand the Handheld stance of iOS and that they need to be carefull not to make the same mistakes has MS done with Windows while trying to turn a desktop OS into a handheld OS. But if you gonna try to make it work for a non handheld practice, sitting on a desk, I’ve seen no better approach than a mouse for high intensity user interaction in that position. You know, the mouse initial idea also comes from Xerox labs and came up for some reason for this context. So why force touch all the way in such context?

What I propose its not merging. Merging would be a mess like the Surface Pro’s are.

There is a place for a Swiss Army dongles, pulling out and retracting a fork and knife while you need one or the other, but if you want to eat a nice steak, confortably in a non frustrating way, having a fork and a knife, one in each hand, multitasking to get that jiuicy meat to your mouth, it’s the unbeatable solution.

An iPad Pro with mouse support, I might even get rid of my MacBook Pro, and buy an iMac. iMac for work at the office and the iPad Pro with mouse support to work while out and about. Ha, don’t forget to put Back to my Mac on the mix while at it.

Cheers.
 
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I think who ever wants an híbrid MacBook Pro should just buy a Surface Pro and get out.
I did, so I can now carry an iPad, a MacBook and a SurfaceBook. What a great solution!

Honestly, what is holding them?
macOS; ever heard of it?

It does make sense for iOS to support a mouse in the iPad Pro.
No, since I don't see the use for myself it cannot be built or offered under any circumstances.

An iPad Pro with mouse support, I might even get rid of my MacBook Pro
And now you know why it ain't gonna happen.
 
And now you know why it ain't gonna happen.

It’s does not matter for them. You see, me having an iPad Pro and a MacBook Pro or an iPad Pro and an iMac its the same thing.

You carry all those devices with you? That shows how your brain works. Also OSX is no execuse to move on to whoever offers what you think its a better approach. What put Windows into trouble were windows fans thinking like you do.

You clearly missed my point. Go back and read it.
 
And it isn't supposed to be, thats the point he is making

Agree. But then he should make it easier to “share” files between system. How it is now is still very un-productive. The file browser is still a joke. Mostly working for the cloud. Some work with big files and don’t want to go back and forth through the cloud.
 
You carry all those devices with you?
Yes. I need to present touch-based Windows applications to potential customers. None of the Apple devices is capable of doing that.

That shows how your brain works. Also OSX is no execuse to move on to whoever offers what you think its a better approach. What put Windows into trouble were windows fans thinking like you do.
I'd say this rather shows how your judging of character works. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with you in real life, what a pain that would be.

Touch is the only thing missing for me, all the other points fit the bill. Again, having the touch option available wouldn't inconvenience you, as you don't have to buy it. But nonetheless, you'd rather come down hard on people with differing usage patterns and get personal. What you don't need 100% shall not, must not exist, right?

You clearly missed my point. Go back and read it.
Thanks, but no, thanks. I've seen all of your posts I ever needed to read.
 
I'd say this rather shows how your judging of character works.

I thought you were pulling my leg so I pulled yours. I've not argued the need to take a MacBook Pro and a Surface Book have I? Are you saying the reason why you take a Surface Book in your bag all the time along with an iPad and a MacBook Pro its because the Macbook Pro lacks touch?

I've used Surfaces for 2 years for work exclusively. It is not really efficient. Meanwhile it cost $3000. You see, when I'm having a meal the most effective way to tackle the this task is to have a fork and a knife available at the same time. Not one + half of another, one at a time. I understand that there might be scenarios were as solution such as the one pictured is what is needed but for that matter I already have a smartphone. Hope this analogy its ok. Don’t get fogged by Cuteness and Marketing.

In essence having an iPad Pro and a MacBook Pro its like having a Surface Book but better. Instead jump out of the office desk, detach the screen interrupting whatever background processes, and go to a meeting. I simply pick my iPad Pro, and go to the meeting, the screen its already detached and all my information is in sync. Instead of turning the entire laptop around to take notes with a pen, interrupting my coding flow, I can keep on coding in the laptop and take notes with a pen on iPad Pro all the the same time.

This is the kind of stuff I would like to see Apple move forward. The connection between the "cutlery", handoff in real-time and not focus on making this:

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The example in the image is what the Surface line is all about. Cute but I don't want it, been there, done that, it does not work well. They sell the above has the Pro tool, well Pro's 98% of the time don't need that. I'm sure there is a space for the above, we already have an offer in the market for it.

Currently I don't use desktops. I decided a decade ago to move to laptops, I need to be able to do deep work anywhere. To do it, needed leave behind the performance of desktops. But I see an opportunity with the iPad Pro to get that performance back without leaving anything behind. At the moment I cannot as described above.

For intensive in a non handheld position, computer on a desk, there is nothing better than a mouse and a keyboard. If Apple fights against this, a Xerox Parc solution that SJ every so often talked about, they will loose because it’s a very good solution for the desk desk context. I understand that iOS is a Handheld OS armed with a strong ecosystem of productivity and creativity tools. All its needed is a mouse and a keyboard for mobile situations for a perfect cutlery. Don't see how such support would compromise the Handheld abilities.

If they do support it I can easily see myself leaving the desktop at the office connect to it via Back to My Mac when needed with my iPad Pro 12.5 inch and start coding. For regular office tasks the iPad Pro is already there for the most part, except for the lack of mouse support for the situations above. No need for Back to Mt Mac for that.

I know Ii'm repeating myself, but for me at the moment it all comes down to this. For Photography and Video editing when out and about its also very much there as creatives admit.

Apple with all the vote of confidence the customers gave them, with all the money they have, they have the moral obligation to move faster with their Handheld OS. The risk is having another company delaying progress for another 10 years or more in the field with their product above, capturing the minds of smart people like you because Apple has not done the job properly. iOS 13 should be here already (I think is when they plan to make another functional leap with it).

MS with Windows 10 did everything the users asked for, everything. And its a mess with users even the fans still complaining ...
Apple with OSX did everything they thought the best, and its a lean mean OS, so is iOS.

Cheers.
 
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