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Um no. Chump is just going to outsource everything to CORPORATE AMERICA.

Bahahahaha and some you *think* that's gonna turn out just great for us consumers.

You'll see.

Btw - how's customer service working for you all now? That's meant for those you convinced -- convinced that think less government and more privatization means a freer more accountable society.

Right. Pun intended.

Personally I'd take a semi corrupted government system versus a totally corrupted privatized system that has full autonomy over us any day.
Im going to suggest proof reading before you post nonsense.
Customer service? What are you even rambling about? You will take a corrupt government over a fully autonomous privatized what?

If you want corrupt government get the hell out of the states. That's the opposite of what the majority of Americans want.

The thing about private companies is that you can boycott them by not purchasing from them.

The thing about a corrupt government is if you stop paying(taxes) for their criminal activities, they will seize all of your assets and throw you in a cage. Unless you try to defend yourself and property, then you are dead.
 
I wonder what would be solid enough data for you and other sceptics. Some people don't believe in evolution as there are plenty of ways to see holes in the evidence. We might be in earlier stages of proving the science of man made climate change but no point waiting for everyone in the room to agree on it before we do something.
Feel free to do something about climate change. You can't force others to do a damn thing.
 
The real inconvenient truth is that we are most likely too late to stop global climate change.

You're right. Try as I might, I can't stop it from getting really hot in the summer and really cold in the winter. This globe's climate just keeps changing.
 
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You're right. Try as I might, I can't stop it from getting really hot in the summer and really cold in the winter. This globe's climate just keeps changing.
Although I agree that man made climate change is not as big of a deal as gore, cook and company claim, comments like yours make it seem like our pollution has zero effect on climate. Is that the case?
 
to 2. You assume
to 3. Clearly you aren't and it shows.

Your first and last mistake is calling me a Climate Change denier, we KNOW IT'S CHANGING, just as it has for BILLIONS of YEARS, this is something we call a FACT.

The rest of your assumptions about what happens is just that...assumptions.

When you actually have something of substance instead of assumptions this conversation might actually go somewhere, as it is, your assuming stuff and I'm not going to play that game.

Those ain't my assumptions but climate science. My assumption is you ain't a scientist.
 
How do you suggest we combat this "global climate change" threat? Force people into more regulations that hurt some businesses while driving profits for another?
 
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How do you suggest we combat this global climate change threat? Force people into more regulations that hurt some businesses while driving profits for another?
Oh, maybe educating the world on man made climate change would be a great start. Business needs to get on board with saving the planet. Apple are setting a good example in this regard.
 
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Oh, maybe educating the world on man made climate change would be a great start. Business needs to get on board with saving the planet. Apple are setting a good example in this regard.
I would agree that education is the key but it can't be boring lectures like public schools handle drugs or alcohol.

Businesses won't get on board with policies that hurt their profits, though. That comes down to the consumer purchasing products from another company that supports said policies.

The problem with the data, is that there is not near enough of it to make a valid assessment of what is causing global temperature change.

Do we effect it? Sure, but who's to say that something didn't happen thousands of years ago that put the climate on the path it is on?

You said it yourself that "we" are in the early stages of proving that it is a man made problem.
 
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Here we go, all the "geniuses" who think global warming is a lie. Of course you know more than some of the smartest scientists on the planet with your basic education.
Assumptions:

1. The smartest scientists are working in climate science

2. Those who comment aren't intelligent and have no understanding

3. 33,000 scientists who signed the petition against the "accepted science" are all morons.

4. Science should be about consensus and not truth.

Remember when Newton was considered infallible? Heck, his models worked far far better at explaining almost everything than climate models work explaining much less. It was almost heresy to suggest that Newton was wrong.

Mercury's orbit was just an inconvenient truth.
 
This. For all Apple talks about the virtues of renewable energy and such, it ignores the virtues of creating products whose lifetimes can be extended through re-use/re-purposing/repair (which would reduce e-waste), probably because this would inconveniently interfere with its bottom line.


This is a valid point, but Apple's products generally last a lot longer then competitor products. I'm still using a 2009 MacBook. I still have the original iPad in operation.

Further, Apples products are mostly made of recyclable materials and non toxic chemicals whereas competitors products made of cheap nonrecyclable materials.

Apple also sponsors recycling events where it takes all kinds of electronics back to be broken down and the materials salvaged.
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Tim political trolling again. While making his products less and less repairable each year resulting in greater waste. Every single pre Tim mac I own has been repaired or upgraded, this Tim is how you contribute to being green. Not by glueing you products and creating waste. Anything....anything goes wrong in the new MacBooks, it's a complete logic board replacement .

Still to see apple contribute any $$$$ to all these causes TC is so passionate about, words are cheap


Yes but that whole Mac is recyclable. Not true with most Windows or other cheap competitor products. So the question is when the product is no longer useful what can be done with it? With Apple products, the materials can be reused.

Further, I've never had an Apple product that didn't last at least five years. The exception is the iPhone, which I elect to get rid of earlier.
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The true title is A Convenient Farce: How Al Gore Makes Billions off the backs of junk science.


I think I'll take the word of 90 percent of the scientific community over the words of a few politicians bought and paid for by big oil. I wasn't aware Al Gore was a billionaire much less based on his environmental views. You should be happy for him. Right wingers love capitalism.

Further, climate deniers always like to say there isn't evidence to proof that humans are causing climate change. Even if that was true, so what. It's indisputable that climate change is real regardless of its cause. Further regardless of its cause humans have the power to correct the problem. Hopefully quick as it was 60 to 70 degrees much of the week in Michigan last week. Unheard of this time of year.
 
This is a valid point, but Apple's products generally last a lot longer then competitor products. I'm still using a 2009 MacBook. I still have the original iPad in operation.

Further, Apples products are mostly made of recyclable materials and non toxic chemicals whereas competitors products made of cheap nonrecyclable materials.

Apple also sponsors recycling events where it takes all kinds of electronics back to be broken down and the materials salvaged.
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Yes but that whole Mac is recyclable. Not true with most Windows or other cheap competitor products. So the question is when the product is no longer useful what can be done with it? With Apple products, the materials can be reused.

Further, I've never had an Apple product that didn't last at least five years. The exception is the iPhone, which I elect to get rid of earlier.
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I think I'll take the word of 90 percent of the scientific community over the words of a few politicians bought and paid for by big oil. I wasn't aware Al Gore was a billionaire much less based on his environmental views. You should be happy for him. Right wingers love capitalism.

Further, climate deniers always like to say there isn't evidence to proof that humans are causing climate change. Even if that was true, so what. It's indisputable that climate change is real regardless of its cause. Further regardless of its cause humans have the power to correct the problem. Hopefully quick as it was 60 to 70 degrees much of the week in Michigan last week. Unheard of this time of year.

Can I ask what you mean by the mac is recyclable ? And windows machines are not ? Are you referrring to the recycle programme? If so that has nothing to do with the components . Also apple makes none of the components (design the exception so they make the cases), it uses industry components, that are available. The case is the best example of being recyclable . The soldered components is a bad example of recyclable . Building ports into the MacBook environmentally friendly, asking the user to buy lots of dongles is not...just some examples.
 
3. 33,000 scientists who signed the petition against the "accepted science" are all morons.

Snopes.com: "misleading"

That petition is nearly 20 years old. You only need a degree to sign it, not a career as a climate scientist. Only a small fraction on the list have relevant degrees, most no longer agree with it and wouldn't sign it again today.

Anyone engaging in denial right now is surely only doing it to oppose the left fanatics who have gone too far with their impractical demands on our personal lifestyles. Take away that politically motivated resistance, and its ridiculous to deny what all the major climate science agencies are telling us. Even many in the current Republican administration recognise both the threat, and the opportunities for business in a changing world.

Renewable energy is a booming business, electric cars are disrupting a stagnant car industry, and much of this led by US companies, despite the US being the biggest skeptic of all. Even the little things, like domestic lighting, have been transformed and invigorated by bans on incandescent bulbs. A climate-aware future isn't scary at all, and what's more, with rising energy costs, economics are naturally moving that way anyway.

People are voluntarily buying into low energy solutions because they are cheaper and better, and they are supporting new industries and the world's best innovators. The fact that AGW denialism is so clearly and openly linked to regressive nostalgia politics is a positive sign for future generations.
 
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Good on him, but at the same time how about you actually use your actions to support the environment. DON'T cut off software support for Macs Arbitrarily and return machines (where it is possible to do so) to being upgradable and repairable.
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Regular software updates and solid support make Apple hardware very environmentally friendly.
Except when they cut off hardware support for no reason at all (Sierra and Mountain Lion, I'm looking at you).
 
I'm not going into political discussions here and it's true there have been climate changes in the past. But in the past it was caused by natural disasters, vulcano's etc.

What is undeniable today that we've managed to ruin the earth in not more than 100 years. Population growth can't go on in this matter if we don't change our consuming habits. It wouldn't be a problem when the earth would hold a billion people. But our habits got to change. Nature can't cope with the pace of climate change at this speed. Meaning distinction of lots of animal species and growing deserts. And eventually making it impossible for all the 7 billion people around the world to feed. Eventually nature will takes over (as it always does) and there will be wars for food and water.

I think when you're that lucky to live in an area where's pleanty of nature around you won't see it or feel the urge of it. As I live in one of the densest populated area's around the world and seeing we haven't any natural Forrest in our country and looking out of the window in an airplane above Europe seeing all the cities, traffic and total regulated nature, it worries me. Also the fact that our seas are very polluted and overly fished, I can't deny you have to be careful with your surroundings.

When walking along the beach and seeing how much waste washes a shore it's definitely not something to deny.
Vulcano eruptions and natural disasters will happen in the future as well but that comes along with all the pollution we make.

Satellite images proof it as do drills in the ice it's never happening this quick as it does now. So unless we all start thinking differently now and change our lifestyle a little bit. Future will be looking quite different.

Climate is changing at a very fast speed mainly caused by humans. Nature can't coop with such speed. Look at history and today's climate... we're setting new records in extreme weather conditions every year. History doesn't lie. It's our responsibility to disrupt it as less as possible and not getting focused at profits first.

To sustain the same level of wealth we're getting used to we've to produce more durable end environmentally friendly. If you don't agree with that, you're in denial or filled with greed.
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Tim political trolling again. While making his products less and less repairable each year resulting in greater waste. Every single pre Tim mac I own has been repaired or upgraded, this Tim is how you contribute to being green. Not by glueing you products and creating waste. Anything....anything goes wrong in the new MacBooks, it's a complete logic board replacement .

Still to see apple contribute any $$$$ to all these causes TC is so passionate about, words are cheap
Yes, it's a no brainer to produce toxic free (you shouldn't be allowed otherwise) but to use it as an argument and at the same time make your products less durable, repairable, upgradable is hypocritical at least.

Tim Cook should be very ashamed of himself for using false arguments and using those same arguments when this is one of the top of concerns.

Don't get me wrong! Every manufacturer should pay attention to environment but Cook is doing contradicting things. That's a fraud in my opinion.
 
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I'm not going into political discussions here and it's true there have been climate changes in the past. But in the past it was caused by natural disasters, vulcano's etc.
And it still is.... :rolleyes:

None of that went away....
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I wasn't aware Al Gore was a billionaire much less based on his environmental views. You should be happy for him. Right wingers love capitalism.

Further, climate deniers always like to say there isn't evidence to proof that humans are causing climate change.
1. As I pointed out in a previous post, you do realize Al Gore was trying to SELL something when this all HE started this, right? You do know this? Apparently others are oblivious to it as well.
2. There is what, maybe, 80-90 years worth of science on our weather? The planet is....how many billions of years old? We just can't possibly know all the science behind us harming it.

Anyway, I am done with this.
 
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And it still is.... :rolleyes:

None of that went away....
[doublepost=1488633192][/doublepost]1. As I pointed out in a previous post, you do realize Al Gore was trying to SELL something when this all HE started this, right? You do know this? Apparently others are oblivious to it as well.
2. There is what, maybe, 80-90 years worth of science on our weather? The planet is....how many billions of years old? We just can't possibly know all the science behind us harming it.

Anyway, I am done with this.

You're right I responded to political issues. I admit :(
It's a difficult issue and an issue that effect us all. If the non believers of climate change would at least admit that they do care about not polluting your surroundings we all have something in common, don't we :)
That's at least a start and it's something we all benefit of.
 
You're right I responded to political issues. I admit :(
It's a difficult issue and an issue that effect us all. If the non believers of climate change would at least admit that they do care about not polluting your surroundings we all have something in common, don't we :)
That's at least a start and it's something we all benefit of.
Of course we all want to not have pollution but to claim we are the sole reason for this now is ridiculous as it's been happening naturally for billions of years.
 
Of course we all want to not have pollution but to claim we are the sole reason for this now is ridiculous as it's been happening naturally for billions of years.
Doesn't seem like most are saying anything about something being the "sole" reason or anything like that.
 
We are as doomed by the fact that there as so many ignorant people who ignore science and can be easily duped by charlatans and frauds like Trump as we are by clinate change itself.
 
Signs of the climate crisis are all around us but Cook is "optimistic". Oh God.
 
We are as doomed by the fact that there as so many ignorant people who ignore science and can be easily duped by charlatans and frauds like Trump as we are by clinate change itself.
And then you have people that jump on a theory put forward by a few "scientists" and claim it is fact.
People weren't duped by trump. They were fed up with the bush/Clinton government. You mad about trump winning? Blame the democrats for the turd they had running against him
 
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