"Oh, maybe educating the world on man made climate change would be a great start. Business needs to get on board with saving the planet. Apple are setting a good example in this regard."Doesn't seem like most are saying anything about something being the "sole" reason or anything like that.
None of that seems to say that something is a "sole" factor in it all. The implication seems to be that there is a human factor that appears to be playing a noticeable role this time around, and unlike other factors it is one that is more within potential control or could at least be affected in one way or another."Oh, maybe educating the world on man made climate change would be a great start. Business needs to get on board with saving the planet. Apple are setting a good example in this regard."
Right from this very article as a post...
Yes, they are. Again, climate changes have been happening LONG before us and WILL continue AFTER us...
I really don't understand how you don't get "man-made climate change" as ANYTHING other than blaming humans.None of that seems to say that something is a "sole" factor in it all. The implication seems to be that there is a human factor that appears to be playing a noticeable role this time around, and unlike other factors it is one that is more within potential control or could at least be affected in one way or another.
Again, the implication there is that there is an aspect of climate change that humans have been and are increasingly contributing to and affecting. It's not being presented as the "sole" factor.I really don't understand how you don't get "man-made climate change" as ANYTHING other than blaming humans.
And that you don't understand that climate change has been and will continue to happen without or without US. It's simple as that.
You can believe what you want, it's staring you right in the face and you are actually sitting here and denying it. Astounding.
Snopes.com: "misleading"
That petition is nearly 20 years old. You only need a degree to sign it, not a career as a climate scientist. Only a small fraction on the list have relevant degrees, most no longer agree with it and wouldn't sign it again today.
Anyone engaging in denial right now is surely only doing it to oppose the left fanatics who have gone too far with their impractical demands on our personal lifestyles. Take away that politically motivated resistance, and its ridiculous to deny what all the major climate science agencies are telling us. Even many in the current Republican administration recognise both the threat, and the opportunities for business in a changing world.
Renewable energy is a booming business, electric cars are disrupting a stagnant car industry, and much of this led by US companies, despite the US being the biggest skeptic of all. Even the little things, like domestic lighting, have been transformed and invigorated by bans on incandescent bulbs. A climate-aware future isn't scary at all, and what's more, with rising energy costs, economics are naturally moving that way anyway.
People are voluntarily buying into low energy solutions because they are cheaper and better, and they are supporting new industries and the world's best innovators. The fact that AGW denialism is so clearly and openly linked to regressive nostalgia politics is a positive sign for future generations.
Ok. When did I post the quote you replied to? I don't recall posting anything about 33,000 scientists. Weird....
Pretty much. The biggest problem with the climate change movement (for lack of better name) is that they provide no actual solutions other than to raise costs that, in the end, only serve to lower the living standard of everyone else. Even if I accept without question the absolutely truth and accuracy of all their claims you can count me out. I simply won't be bullied into living a certain way to appease someone else's beliefs. And they really are beliefs because, exactly like religion, believers aren't happy until everyone else believes the same thing. F that.Yeah, right. Climate change is simply another money and power grab like every other "cause" out there.
I've tried to say that several times here. It seems that no one recalls or cares that Gore and his company were trying to SELL SOMETHING when he started all this.Yeah, right. Climate change is simply another money and power grab like every other "cause" out there. No thanks. If the elite rich want to do their part then sell your mansions, do away with your Lamborghini collection and move into a small apartment. Save the earth. Walk the talk. But no, they expect us to pay enormous energy bills, live on top of one another, take busses, eat crappy food, and lose our jobs. Well, efff you. Suck it.
So much politics from Tim recently, does Tim Cook think that the US government will outsource all its operations to Apple?
Renewable energy, great.
Now how about cut back recycling programs by making machines serviceable and upgradable. Use less glue and more screws.
Planet before profits, Tim.
You're saying the DMV is *NOT* an illustration of government incompetence...?
Being pessimistic would be logical and helped to approach the critical issue more seriously.Being pessimistic would be better in some way (especially as far as encouraging people)?
Being pessimistic would more likely lend a hand with just not doing anything about anything as it would seem that nothing would help anyway.Being pessimistic would be logical and helped to approach the critical issue more seriously.
So it's best to be serious, neutral and concentrated on fixing the issue, not pessimistic nor optimistic. The latter, when the signs of global crisis are all around us and it gets worse every year, is just plain idiotic and misleading.Being pessimistic would more likely lend a hand with just not doing anything about anything as it would seem that nothing would help anyway.
Sure, realistic is best in general. That said, depending on context something more can certainly play a role--in a context of trying to be motivational or encourage some action or something similar along those lines a more optimistic approach aligns more with that goal than a just a plain serious realistic one (or certainly negative pessimistic one).So it's best to be serious, neutral and concentrated on fixing the issue, not pessimistic nor optimistic. The latter, when the signs of global crisis are all around us and it gets worse every year, is just plain idiotic and misleading.
Not in this case. There are no reason for being optimistic right now. It would more likely lend a hand with just not doing anything about anything as it would seem that problem will be resolved somehow anyway by someone else.Sure, realistic is best in general. That said, depending on context something more can certainly play a role--in a context of trying to be motivational or encourage some action or something similar along those lines a more optimistic approach aligns more with that goal than a just a plain serious realistic one (or certainly negative pessimistic one).
Seems like the realistic thing to be said then is that there are potential up and down sides to any approach it would seem. Doesn't quite make either approach "idiotic" somehow.Not in this case. There are no reason for being optimistic right now. It would more likely lend a hand with just not doing anything about anything as it would seem that issue will be resolved somehow anyway by someone else.
True.Seems like the realistic thing to be said then is that there are potential up and down sides to any approach it would seem.
I'm talking about this particular case, I don't call optimistic approach idiotic or wrong in general. It is a good thing, but it depends on the situation. When a train rushes at full speed into the wall and someone says: "by all signs we will crash in 5 minutes but we're optimistic about our future", how would you call it?Doesn't quite make either approach "idiotic" somehow.
Well, if placed more in the context of "we are optimistic about our future if we do what we can to deal with it and stick to it" then it seems like it can be a fairly decent take on it.True.
I'm talking about this particular case, I don't call optimistic approach idiotic or wrong in general. It is a good thing, but it depends on the situation. When a train rushes at full speed into the wall and someone says: "by all signs we will crash in 5 minutes but we're optimistic about our future", how would you call it?
Some proof that AGW is an actual threat would be refreshing. Not manipulated data giving us another "hottest" year, but an actual prediction that proves AGW is a dire threat would go a long way to convincing people.I wonder what would be solid enough data for you and other sceptics. Some people don't believe in evolution as there are plenty of ways to see holes in the evidence. We might be in earlier stages of proving the science of man made climate change but no point waiting for everyone in the room to agree on it before we do something.
So you're not really prepared to do any research on existing data and findings and just expect the information to be put in front of you in the form of a pop up book. You should run for president.Some proof that AGW is an actual threat would be refreshing. Not manipulated data giving us another "hottest" year, but an actual prediction that proves AGW is a dire threat would go a long way to convincing people.
As it is, though, AGW has been benign or beneficial.
https://marinedebris.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/publications-files/gpposter.pdf
You have an interesting concept of immorality. To me it's immoral to be so careless as to turn a blind eye to the problem of plastic debris blowing about uncontained to damage wildlife.
I'm not generating hysteria over the problem of plastic litter. I've seen the plastic floating in the bay I grew up and spent most of my life around. I've seen the pictures of the stuff found in the stomachs of dead marine animals. I see all of the trash all over the place just walking or driving around. It's not hysteria if my neighbor and I can barely keep up with the amount of it in a "nice neighborhood." I can't imagine the conditions in the parts of the world that don't have regular trash and recycle programs due to corruption or lack of resources or where it's too dangerous to venture out and pick up litter, like it was in the neighborhood where I grew up, which was always filled with junk dumped in the woods.
Anyway about pictures of the oceanic clumps of plastic, that link and information will explain why there's not some large satellite picture of it.
As for biodegradability, the information in the link provided explains that it can take a long, long time for plastics to degrade and when they do, often it's just to break into smaller pieces (that marine animals ingest) or the conditions that cause plastic to biodegrade in a land fill don't exist in the water and the plastics don't break down adequately at all.
A video: https://marinedebris.noaa.gov/videos/trash-talk-what-great-pacific-garbage-patch-0
The solution to the problem that human activity is causing global warming is not less consumption. This won't work. We need to develop clean technologies and the countries that invest the most will come out pretty well. Instead of you spend billions on wars and weapons to secure the oil instead of using that money to build clean infrastructure, technologies and what else is needed your trade deficit will turn even worse.
I wonder what would be solid enough data for you and other sceptics. Some people don't believe in evolution as there are plenty of ways to see holes in the evidence. We might be in earlier stages of proving the science of man made climate change but no point waiting for everyone in the room to agree on it before we do something.
Read some government legistlation sometime. The problem is clearly government legislation. It takes too long just saying government legislation, that alone eats into productive time, never mind the full text.It is, but what it means is that we need to improve aspects of government with legislation, not get rid of the government entirely.
Nobody really knows what the hell global temperatures mean, we are an infant species on a tiny rock we barely understand slowly being pulled into a fiery object so large in comparison we can barely conceive its immense size.
We don't even know why we are here. So before you get all high and mighty, war and oil might be THE solution to everything.
Dial your hype back to "we'd like it to be this way", ditch the doom and gloom, then we negotiate like adults from there. But that's not how eco-zealots want it, they want a proclamation of doom, admission of guilt, taxes to pay for oversights and sponsor dubious science programs decided by politicians.
You want energy efficient? Grand-dad had nuclear power, and it's still the most efficient vs amount of waste, but it scares hippies and they block and fear-monger any attempt to build up, change or refine the infrastructure. You should start there, nuclear power plants would be the best bang for you buck, but they will lack the signaling glamour of cutesier, inefficient projects.