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The "many, many people" Tim is talking about are my Aunt from "the sticks", who never really owned a computer in her life. Barely understands what e-mail. However she isn't using an iPad, she's using an Android device because it lets her use external memory cards to store all the photos she gets from family.
No, he's not talking about your aunt. Your aunt doesn't need or is interested in a "Pro" iPad. She doesn't need 4 speakers nor support for the Apple Pencil (and the commensurate increase in price that goes along with the iPP). If she isn't interested in an iPad then she isn't interested in an iPad Pro.

His "iPad Pro will replace notebooks and desktops for many, many people" is a poor attempt at marketing hyperbole. Along the same vein as his goal for the Apple Watch to "change the way you live your life".

People commenting on his quote are overthinking the quote... it was intended to "feel good" not be substantive.
 
People commenting on his quote are overthinking the quote... it was intended to "feel good" not be substantive.

That's what i think as well. In italy we use the word "paraculo" :). Not sure how to translate it, but i think google can help
 
I do think the majority of people copy-paste their arguments from their posts in the already finished discussions.

In resume:
It does not have a file system. How the heck is it called "pro"?
No mouse
Is not convertible
Does not run os x
It's a super-sized iPod

I can't fathom how educated people (know to read/write. Have basic computer literacy) can complete 28 pages on the subject. Even the soap operas are more interesting.

My contribution to the discussion. Yes, it's an oversized iPad but namely that's why I like it. I always find the regular iPad too small. And, on the contrary, it will not replace my iMac. I still enjoy the 21.5" screen.
I'm glad you don't run Apple. If you can't look forward, then by all means, keep your stuff. Apple dropped a floppy drive once. I don't know if you're old enough to remember the backlash, but you'd have thought that Apple was going to go out of business over night. We know how that one turned out.

But "no mouse" as a reason to reject a machine? If I can get rid of a mouse and instead use a next-gen user interface, then please bring it on.

With the high-res screen, 4GB of RAM, faster processor and iOS 9.1/9.2, there's no reason to think that more advanced apps aren't forthcoming. No, they probably won't run windowed on a screen with three others like on a desktop OS, but for a super thin/light mobile device, current split-screen functionality goes at least part way to replacing the windowed paradigm. But I have no doubt that advanced iPad Pro-only apps or features are coming to many apps quite soon.

And for people that rely heavily on individual file management, then no, an iPad (or any iOS device) may not be the best choice. But not everyone needs file-level access to things. I most certainly consider myself a "professional" and I rely on highly operable computing, and very rarely does the iPad's lack of file-level access give me trouble, especially with apps like DropBox, OneDrive, iCloud Drive (which is also baked in to the iWork apps and MS Office) and Documents. Yes, sometimes someone will send me a crap ton of file attachments in an email, but this is an uncommon occurrence and usually sent to me by someone who in actuality probably shouldn't be using a machine with file-level access in the first place.

So while an iPad may not be right for YOU, do not presume that it's not right for all "professionals."

I will buy one the moment they're available, I will be more productive because of it, and my work will be easier to accomplish. A MacBook Pro will not help me here. And I already have a Surface Pro 3 which I've found is way less great than I thought it would be. I started out really liking it. Now I barely use it because it's so cumbersome. It's so finger-UNfriendly that it practically requires the mouse or the pen to operate. With iPad Pro, the Apple Pencil will be an accessory, not a required mouse-substitute.
 
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Ahead of the launch of the iPad Pro, Apple executives have been doing a series of interviews to drum up excitement and interest in the device. Earlier today, The Independent published an interview with Tim Cook where he shared his thoughts on the Apple Pencil and the iPad Pro's target market.

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This afternoon, The Telegraph published a second interview where Tim Cook spoke further on his vision of the iPad Pro as a PC replacement and how tablets are subsuming the PC market. According to Cook, the iPad Pro will serve as a replacement for a notebook or desktop computer for "many, many people."Cook also said the iPad Pro will be highly appealing to artists and other creatives, pointing towards the ease of use of the Apple Pencil and the iPad Pro's sound system, two features he also highlighted in his earlier interview with The Independent.

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According to Cook, sales of the new Apple TV were "very strong," a sentiment he echoed for the Apple Watch, which will "set a new record this quarter." Cook also said Apple doesn't have plans to introduce sensors or other health features that would cause the FDA to get involved with the device. He didn't rule out the possibility of other products that require FDA approval, like apps.Tim Cook's interview, where he also speaks on the iPad mini 4 and device cannibalization, the health benefits of the Apple Watch, and the possibility of an Apple subscription service is well worth reading over at The Telegraph.

Apple's iPad Pro will go on sale online on Wednesday, November 11. Pricing for the iPad Pro starts at $799 for the entry-level 32GB Wi-Fi only model. A 128GB Wi-Fi only model is available for $949, and a 128GB Wi-Fi + Cellular model is available for $1,079.

Article Link: Tim Cook: iPad Pro Will Replace Notebooks and Desktops for 'Many, Many People'
Pencil this: OS X
 
And they're all going to stop using Wacom and Ntrig? With crippled Adobe apps?

There are way better drawing/painting apps available then Photoshop. Even on Windows/OSX. On iOS Procreate is a real beast and many users in their forum already declared to get iPadPros just to use Procreate on it - Yes it is so good.
 
I AM a iOS developer - What is supposed to be impossible? Yes it is impossible to write apps that behave like a desktop app. But besides that?
Why are all iOS apps crippled in features compared to desktop apps?

Specifics would be nice.

You haven't been reading this thread.

- no file system
- only two app multitasking
- no mouse support

None of these require a faster CPU/GPU to implement. So, I'll assume it isn't a technical issue that prevents Apple from offering them.
 
There are way better drawing/painting apps available then Photoshop. Even on Windows/OSX. On iOS Procreate is a real beast and many users in their forum already declared to get iPadPros just to use Procreate on it - Yes it is so good.

But, but, the iPad is just for content consumption/is not a real computer/is crippled/ any other reason why people need their normal laptops and desktops.

Why are all iOS apps crippled in features compared to desktop apps?



You haven't been reading this thread.

- no file system
- only two app multitasking
- no mouse support

None of these require a faster CPU/GPU to implement. So, I'll assume it isn't a technical issue that prevents Apple from offering them.

And yet with my SP3, I don't even use most of those. I only use one app at a time, I generally open files with whatever I'm going to use them with, and the only time I use a mouse is when I'm playing games. Otherwise, it's touch and pen.

Weird.
 
He's right, except most of those people don't hang around places like this or other tech sites. I use a Windows PC every day at work. The last thing I want to do when I get home is fire up a PC. The only reason I still keep a PC is for those few times I have to use iTunes on the desktop. Someone should ask Cook when Xcode is coming to iPad Pro.

And if he said a larger iPad was unnecessary and most people needed a notebook he'd be right too. Right?
 
Unlike Apple Watch, which was an unknown item before the release, the iPad Pro is merely a bigger iPad as far as most people are concerned. There is NOTHING Special About it!

The average customer just doesn't care about a Stylus, yet Apple is so accustomed to over hyping products they may be lost in their own fog.

If Apple has the capacity to be honest with themselves, they've got to be very uneasy about this launch. The rocket won't crash, it just won't put on much of a show.
 
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Why are all iOS apps crippled in features compared to desktop apps?

They aren't? What are you missing? They do what they are supposed to do.

- no file system
- only two app multitasking
- no mouse support

None of these is crippling.

Direct file level access is a insane way to work with files. Database drived ways like iTunes are way better to handle files.

No one is activly working with more then 2 windows at a time. You have to switch focus even with more apps open on a big screen, switching between open apps in a iPad is just as fast.

Mouse support on a touch system? A mouse this not suitable for a touch based UI - Why should there be support for one?

So your crippling stuff is just features solved in a different way that you don't like...
 
Unlike Apple Watch, which was an unknown item before the release, the iPad Pro is merely a bigger iPad as far as most people are concerned. There is NOTHING Special About it!

The average customer just doesn't care about a Stylus, yet Apple is so accustomed to over hyping products they may be lost in their own fog.

If Apple has the capacity to be honest with themselves, they've got to be very uneasy about this launch. The rocket won't crash, it just won't put on much of a show.

There will be a huge audience where it being 12.9" will be the special thing about it. Average people might not care about specs, might not care about the pencil, but say the screen is bigger and better than ever before and you'll get sales. Apple has that kind of reputation with normal people.
 
They aren't? What are you missing? They do what they are supposed to do.



None of these is crippling.

Direct file level access is a insane way to work with files. Database drived ways like iTunes are way better to handle files.

No one is activly working with more then 2 windows at a time. You have to switch focus even with more apps open on a big screen, switching between open apps in a iPad is just as fast.

Mouse support on a touch system? A mouse this not suitable for a touch based UI - Why should there be support for one?

So your crippling stuff is just features solved in a different way that you don't like...
The iOS MS Office and Photoshop are crippled compared to their laptop versions.

You (and Apple) are trying to convince Windows and Mac users to move to the IPP as a replacement for their current device. No matter what you think of these features, they aren't going to leave the OS that they're using without these features or something better.

Handling files and multitasking is harder on iOS than on Windows/OSX right now. Could it get better. Sure.
 
Hmm. I think that's what they said about the original iPad. And while for some it has worked out - and clearly the tech and software is now better, I do not think "many" will be replacing their notebooks or (especially) desktops. Then again - who can really quantify "many."

No me.
Then again, 12" and Desktop Replacement just don't seem to go together.
Not even for Yoda.
 
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Mouse support on a touch system? A mouse this not suitable for a touch based UI - Why should there be support for one?
- Long documents require an external keyboard.
- in this configuration the tablet is hold vertical (eg: an iPad pro standing on its smart keyboard)
- in this position using the touch screen is very uncomfortable. Especially when you need to use such touch screen to move the cursors between letters and words and/or cells. That's the reason why Macs don't have a touch screen (Jobs used to agree).
- it's not true at all that a mouse is not suitable for a touch based UI, infact the Xcode iOS simulator is operated via a mouse and has no problem (apart that it's buggy).
 
No he is not delusional - you just don't get that us power users aren't the majority of pc users. Most pc users won't need more then an iPad/iPad Pro as they only do mail, simple office, some photos and web.

I consider this a typical elderly user ...
  • Great Grandmother. Lives alone. After seeing one, wnated a tablet instead of a desktop/laptop. Uses laptop to read email, pay bills, manage bank account, look at pictures and videos of relatives, writes letters, manage calendar, online shopping and order items like medication. She has DSL wifi.
  • Son bought her an iPad 2. Walked through it with her and set it up just how she needs it. Found a way to do all the things she needs except: some medical forms won't display correctly in Safari, can't upload via safari scanned forms/information they request, one retirement fund won't work on an iPad, and she needs iTunes to upgrade/update iOS. So she keeps her laptop.
  • Two years later - still has her iPad 2. She still has issues with some forms, still can't upload scanned documents, and still needs iTunes. She still has her laptop.
  • This year - her laptop died. Looking at a new iPad but she still needs a laptop for some items. Son bought her a new laptop. She decided to stick with her iPad 2 as it still worked okay. She might get a new iPad next year.
Even though 99% of what she does is via her iPad, she still needs her laptop. It's a supplemental item the iPad is.
note: Son (me) lives in another state and only sees her a couple times a year. She has her group doing pretty much what she does.
 
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You have noticed that iPads can update their OS without iTunes?

And modern websites not displaying correct in WebKit? x_X
Can you upload load files (like resumes) to a website with Safari or is this a file system limitation with iOS? I know Android mobile browsers can do it.
 
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