Michael Goff
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Who said a SP can't replace a laptop?
Tim Cook: iPad Pro Will Replace Notebooks and Desktops for 'Many, Many People'
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Who said a SP can't replace a laptop?
Actually a notebook is the only thing a Surface can replace. It is to bad as a tablet to even count.
Sure, the file requester open a selection from where (all available data sources listed) you want to get the file.
For me it's:
- take photo or video
- fotos
- iCloud drive
- Dropbox
- Transmit
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AppleScruff1
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Some of the reviews said it was too awkward to use as a laptop. And a lot of people here said it too.
Yah nobody uses an iPad to code.
Ever.
Not many, though.
People don't even use their phones for e-commerce.
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I distinctly remember Timmy saying the processor is desktop class, don't you?
That'll be why the Mac Pro has 12 of them running in parallel, oh wait......
canesalato
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Well, techically apps that build uncompiled code are forbidden by the app store rules...which is way I can't use an iPad in my work. I can't use R to analize my data (I'm a biologist)
RedOctober
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So many opinions but tbh most of them are correct based on your PoV.
The thing for me is this:
1. Why buy a more expensive, bigger, heavier iPad Pro for doing normal activities like watching movies/surfing the web etc.
2. Why call it Pro when it's essentially the same iPad operationally?
3. If the iPad Pro is going to replace laptops and desktops, why hasn't the iPad done so?
4. How many is many? To say that is extremely subjective, vague and pointless, but I assume is marketing talk.
5. Why pay so much more for an iPad Pro when there's every chance it'll be replaced by an iPad Pro 2 next year?
I've seriously looked at buying one for the missus who's in Digital Design but I don't think paying all that money for it (AUD$ is pretty crap atm) and with 4 iPads already in the house is worth it.
EDIT - bought her a iMac 5K 27" instead
The thing for me is this:
1. Why buy a more expensive, bigger, heavier iPad Pro for doing normal activities like watching movies/surfing the web etc.
2. Why call it Pro when it's essentially the same iPad operationally?
3. If the iPad Pro is going to replace laptops and desktops, why hasn't the iPad done so?
4. How many is many? To say that is extremely subjective, vague and pointless, but I assume is marketing talk.
5. Why pay so much more for an iPad Pro when there's every chance it'll be replaced by an iPad Pro 2 next year?
I've seriously looked at buying one for the missus who's in Digital Design but I don't think paying all that money for it (AUD$ is pretty crap atm) and with 4 iPads already in the house is worth it.
EDIT - bought her a iMac 5K 27" instead
Have a look at Pythonista http://omz-software.com/pythonista/
All in the limits of the AppStore rules. Loading programs from external sources is forbidden, not writing them on the iOS device.
All in the limits of the AppStore rules. Loading programs from external sources is forbidden, not writing them on the iOS device.
Sounds crazy but trackpad or mouse support would add a lot of functionality to an iPad, allowing me to rest my hands on a table during long work sessions rather than having to reach up to the screen to do any navigation.
Shirasaki
macrumors P6
Yes. Not a device for everyone, although it doesn't necessarily mean this is a devices for "many many people", no.
There will be a huge market for this oversize, not portable, yet expensive iPad. I believe. Maybe current Apple is not possible to lead the industry like that time when Steve Jobs was still on stage. But, this is another story.
And yes. When considering an iPad, I don't think this size will satisfy me. My small bag can just put a 9.7" iPad inside without problem. But iPad Pro? Not possible. It's too huge, and playing certain games would be only a pain.
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sracer
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I have found that most of those who claim that trackpad/mouse support on the iPad is useless haven't actually used it. The same goes for physical keyboards and multiwindow.
canesalato
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Indeed, beside, nobody wants a stylus and 1gb of RAM is perfectly adeguate, right? ;-)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes
Michael Scrip
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I think people here are getting hung up on the use of the word "many"
No one knows what number Tim Cook is talking about. It's somewhere between "none" and "millions"
The truth is... people are already using iPads as their primary or only computer. And I'm gonna say there are millions of them.
Does "millions" = "many" ?
Huh?
People don't buy stuff from mobile apps on their phone? Coulda fooled me.
I guess I'm the only person who buys stuff from Amazon on my phone or orders food from a restaurant app. And no one uses Uber and pays for a ride from their phone either, right?
I would guess that e-commerce happens quite a bit from phones instead of a traditional computer these days. Not 100% of course... but enough.
But you're suggesting that people DON'T EVEN do e-commerce from their phones. Which is horse-poop.
Michael Goff
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This is a device that can replace a laptop for many people. I can say that with certainty. Will it? That's another question. It depends on how well it's marketed.
canesalato
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But the same can be said with the iPad Air 2. Infact even more: it's more affordable and portable.
Michael Goff
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Yes and no. You'd be surprised how many people prefer bigger screens because of various reasons. It is more affordable, and theoretically more portable, true.
oneMadRssn
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We're mostly tech geeks here, right? People come to us for advice on what to buy. What kind of person would you recommend an iPad Pro to?
Here is who I imagine making the recommendation to:
1. Right off the bat, they must express some willingness to spend about $1000. I just cannot imagine talking someone who says their max is $750 or so into the iPad Pro. If their particular usage really reflects the need for a tablet, the Air 2 is much much more affordable.
2. They must have some usage need that is geared more towards a tablet. I would say this means they expect to spend less than 30% of the time typing. Anything more than that and a proper attached keyboard becomes quite useful. Alternatively, if they name some apps they want to use that are only available on a mobile OS (like sketching apps), the tablet would be a good fit.
3. They must be willing to pay for iCloud monthly subscription or have a good usable alternative desktop/laptop. Without iCloud or another primary computer, there is really no way to reliably make backups of the iPad. If there is no other computer, then iCloud is pretty much a must.
So, to recap, the person who would get an iPad Pro recommendation must be willing to spend $1000+, type less than 30% of the time or desire to use some mobile-only app such as drawing, and either be willing to pay for iCloud or have another working computer on the side. That is a very narrow group of people.
Here is who I imagine making the recommendation to:
1. Right off the bat, they must express some willingness to spend about $1000. I just cannot imagine talking someone who says their max is $750 or so into the iPad Pro. If their particular usage really reflects the need for a tablet, the Air 2 is much much more affordable.
2. They must have some usage need that is geared more towards a tablet. I would say this means they expect to spend less than 30% of the time typing. Anything more than that and a proper attached keyboard becomes quite useful. Alternatively, if they name some apps they want to use that are only available on a mobile OS (like sketching apps), the tablet would be a good fit.
3. They must be willing to pay for iCloud monthly subscription or have a good usable alternative desktop/laptop. Without iCloud or another primary computer, there is really no way to reliably make backups of the iPad. If there is no other computer, then iCloud is pretty much a must.
So, to recap, the person who would get an iPad Pro recommendation must be willing to spend $1000+, type less than 30% of the time or desire to use some mobile-only app such as drawing, and either be willing to pay for iCloud or have another working computer on the side. That is a very narrow group of people.
canesalato
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Indeed, a big screen is very tempting
We'll see how it will play but...I don't know. For "normal people" I think it will be hard to justify >1000 euros vs 600 (i won't consider the 16 and 32 devices...). I just hope they won't limit even more the Air line (in addition to no air 3, no A9x no pencil support) to artificially inflate Pro sales. I really don't like these "not so classy" sale strategies
canesalato
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I am not enraged at the 1000 value.
I just think that a "normal" person would choose an iPad Air 2 64gb for 600 over the 1000 (+200 keyboard + 100 pen) iPad Pro. Or a 1000 macbook air. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, we just have to wait. I just think that at 1000 euros an iPad Pro sholuld be able to replace a notebook to be considered "valuable" by normal people, who often tend to buy iPad mini and cheap android tablets. Else it's an appliance for wealthy people and/or a niche (eg: artists)
I am not enraged at the 1000 value.
I just think that a "normal" person would choose an iPad Air 2 64gb for 600 over the 1000 (+200 keyboard + 100 pen) iPad Pro. Or a 1000 macbook air. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, we just have to wait. I just think that at 1000 euros an iPad Pro sholuld be able to replace a notebook to be considered "valuable" by normal people, who often tend to buy iPad mini and cheap android tablets. Else it's an appliance for wealthy people and/or a niche (eg: artists)
For me it will replace my old MacBookPro, but as a power user I have a MacPro at home. Sadly I have to wait some weeks because of an unexpected car repair last week 8(
Bubba Satori
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Having read the CEO's comments about PCs, what are Apple's future computer customers going to think about their commitment to the types of computers they want to buy with all the latest technologies and features? Tim Cook has essentially said that Apple is no longer interested in producing 'insanely great' computers. They don't believe in the product category because they can't make them for $100-$200, sell them for $400-$800 and crank out 10s of millions of them a quarter like they do with the iGizmos.
Not only that, but catering to power users leads to bankruptcy. Look what happened to DEC, Symbolics, Apollo, Sun, Silicon Graphics, all the vendors of high powered workstations, all long gone. Alienware isn't doing that well either. There's no money in power users, and it takes boat-loads of money to build new generations of computing devices.