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Except... Apple are claiming they a making a phone for everyone. Not everyone owns a Mercedes.
That’s some pretty selective reading there obiwan.

Was there anywhere Apple has stated “we want to make our flagship for everyone”? You’d think the context clues of the 7 starting at >$500 would explain the everyone comment.
 
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$1 a day for me, is equivalent to $3000 a day for Tim Cook.
I have a hunch that Tim cook, just maybe, would think $3000 a day is expensive.
 
Better bring back the good old iPhone SE!

I'd love for them to do that but the problem is the SE isn't expensive enough to drive you towards their iPhone refresh program. That's the only reason the new phones are so expensive.
 
£77.28 a month for the iPhone XS Max here in the UK is hardly 'easy to swallow'. And that's spread over 36 months!!

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So you are paying £2782 for your phone and contract over 3 years.

IF you take the cost of the phone off that leaves you with a payment of £33 and a bit for the use of your phone.

do you really need 50Gb of data a month? Perhaps a Sim only deal with 20Gb of data would be more acceptable?

Contracts are expensive and locks you in to one carrier for in this case 3 years... Do you want those handcuffs on you for all that time?
Three has a SIM only plan for £20/month for 12 months that gives you 100Gb of data... 30Gb Hotspot and roaming
There are better deals than the one you showed.
 
I suppose I could buy her an older 8 or 7, but then you have longevity concerns (my wife usually goes 3-4 years), and they're like a couple millimeters smaller.
An iPhone 8 should easily go 3-4 years with aplomb, the A12 is only 15% faster while the A11 is driving a lower resolution so it’s practically a wash...
 
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The most expensive flagship phone at release has gone up $500 in just 2 years. They don't even have a comparable iPhone 7+ in the same price range, it's almost $300 more. It's not that I don't have the money, it's that do not want to spend 1299 on another phone, just 2 years later. And my then $969 is probably only worth $285. $285...really, that's less then 1/2 of what a new iPhone 7+ 128 is going for today. iPhones are worse then automobiles, once you use it, it's value is reduced by 30% right away, then it just keeps dropping like a rock after that. Guess I am holding on to my iPhone 7+ for a while.
 
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I can't see how Apple's aim to 'serve everyone' has been fulfilled. I need a headphone jack, a phone I can fit in my pocket, touch ID, and one that is kinder to my wallet. You are not serving my needs as an Apple customer. You just killed that phone off, and replaced last years premium model at a more expensive price. That's not exactly 'serving everyone' then, is it?

Wires are old technology that severely limit both form and functionality, much like floppy disks, serial ports, and CD-ROM drives. In five years, there won’t be any phones or tablets with headphone jacks.

99% of the people who buy these phones have moved on from wires, and for the 1% that don't there's a $9 adapter (which you can get for $5 on eBay).

And if that's too expense, there are plenty of Android choices for you.
 
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No, it's not cheap to make these phones. It costs about $400 doesn't it? So wouldn't about $800 be a reasonable price? They can charge whatever they want, but it is disingenuous to claim the price is so high because they are not cheap to make. They cost so much because that is the price the market can bear. If we stop paying so much, they will cost less.
I totally agree with you. It's not expensive to make and if it were true, they would not be making billions of dollars and producing in China to reduce cost of manufacturing. The monthly payment plans with 0% financing is what helps fuel the sales.
 
I totally agree with you. It's not expensive to make and if it were true, they would not be making billions of dollars and producing in China to reduce cost of manufacturing. The monthly payment plans with 0% financing is what helps fuel the sales.
So you’re familiar with the costs of manufacturing a bleeding edge node process for CPUs at scale? It’s not a capital investment of billions to move an entire chip fab over to the newest in manufacturing techniques?
 
Tim, show me where I can get this £1000 for £30 a month. The £999 XS is £56 per month on IUP. It's just plain lies at this point.

even someone with primary school maths could figure this out $1000 / 12 months / 3 years = $27 plus tax = ~$30
 
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Sounds like a price-apologist quote to me, and stating they're innovating more than showing they're innovating

To each his own, but I'm really sick of this guy's cardboard enthusiasm (and rotten politics, imo)

inb4: but shareholders are happy! Sales are great!

...I think anyone could make Apple do well, sales wise. The products relatively sell themselves.


Did this guy really start off with "You know Robin, iPhone... is a symbol in China" ?

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Better bring back the good old iPhone SE!
Bring back the SE with a bigger display in nearly the same physical size as the original SE for $699. Apple killed it because they priced it too low.

The iPhone 7 now takes the spot of the iPhone SE. Next year it will be the iPhone 8 when it drops down to replace the 7. And in mid-2020 I expect we'll see a new "official" iPhone SE that will use the same case as the iPhone 8 and have the Late 2019 model's internals and most-likely a full-screen display (with notch).

The iPhone SE was created because it was cheap (reusing most of the structure of the iPhone 5/5s) not because it was small. The iPhone 6/7/8 physical design is close enough to the iPhone SE that it will be as usable.
 
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Prices on phones is getting ridiculous anyways, not just from Apple either. Both the Pixel and Samsung Note 9 are up there too. Especially with these upgrade programs the margins must be crazy. I mean how much innovation/change was there between the X and Xs? I feel like they could have easily dropped the price of the Xs to $899 and had the Max at $999.
 
...I think anyone could make Apple do well, sales wise. The products relatively sell themselves.

Which is it? All you people do is point out the lack of features and innovation as the reason Apple has "lost its way," then when the stock soars and Apple hits sales records, you say the products are so great they "sell themselves."
 
I own a nice BMW and I do not feel as ripped-off as if I pay Apple's price-tag for MacBook Pro's, iPhones or Watches.
A BMW is way more fun.

I’ll take your word for it. I’m a 1 litre runabout, good enough to get the job done kind of car buyer. I know plenty who buy higher end BMWs, Audis etc and are happy to pay the extra for the performance, the drive, the comfort, the pleasure in all of this plus the pride of ownership and everything else that goes with it. And more power to them and yourself.

Flip the argument around and I love my iPhone X. It’s my primary computer, my iPod (always used to buy the highest capacity to indulge my music love). Could a lower end iPhone fulfil the same function? Yes. Could I technically get away with a much lower end Android? Probably. Am I ok spending the cost of my iPhone X for the feel, the performance and the sheer love of the tech? In my case, yes. Yours and everyone else’s mileage may vary. :)
 
An iPhone 8 should easily go 3-4 years with aplomb, the A12 is only 15% faster while the A11 is driving a lower resolution so it’s practically a wash...
Perhaps, but I worry about the regular 8 only having 2GB of RAM (often a bottleneck on older devices) and what that will be like in 2021 or 2022 on iOS 15 or 16. What I have been trying to figure out the past day talking with Apple support chat is whether or not I can modify my iPhone Upgrade Program since I have already paid off the extra month for my X (irritating as that was) and have an XS coming Friday to replace it and I have to send the old one back. It would be cheaper to just pay off the X and let her use that. Nobody seems to be able to give me an answer. Think I'm going to have to call in and escalate it, but I'm waiting to see if her SE survives the drying.
 
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