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The iPhone 7 now takes the spot of the iPhone SE. Next year it will be the iPhone 8 when it drops down to replace the 7. And in mid-2020 I expect we'll see a new "official" iPhone SE that will use the same case as the iPhone 8 and have the Late 2019 model's internals and most-likely a full-screen display (with notch).

The iPhone SE was created because it was cheap (reusing most of the structure of the iPhone 5/5s) not because it was small. The iPhone 6/7/8 physical design is close enough to the iPhone SE that people will complain only because they like to complain, not because they cannot physically interact with it as easily.
I know a lot of people who think the iPhone 6 and larger is way too big and prefer the SE because it fits in their pocket and hand better. The vast majority of them are women. Remaking the iPhone 8 is basically what the iPhone X already is. They aren't very different in size, just a couple mm like I said.
 
Which is it? All you people do is point out the lack of features and innovation as the reason Apple has "lost its way," then when the stock soars and Apple hits sales records, you say the products are so great they "sell themselves."


As a non stockholder, and a mere consumer/enthusiast of Apple products, I am entirely uninterested in stock valuation.

Calm your rage my dude cuz I don't care about it whatsoever :D
 
I've never understood why people complain so much about price in the computer tech market. It's one of the few markets in existence that constantly upgrades what you're getting for your money. A 1998 iMac adjusted for inflation would be over $2,000 in today's dollars. Is the iPhone XS representative of significantly more sophisticated technology? Of course it is. By an incredibly wide margin. And the base model is 1/2 the price of the 1998 base model iMac.
 
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"the phone has replaced your digital camera...it's replaced your video camera, it's replaced your music player, it's replaced all of these different devices."

As has every single phone since the original iPhone. That is a pretty terrible argument for the price points.

It is also very telling that they discontinued the X.
 
I would also love to hear his reasoning behind the inflated pricing in Europe. Even if I add a 20% tax on the dollar prices, the difference is noticeable.

One part of it may be due to the EU two-year warranty requirements? Warranty servicing costs money, so laws in a region requiring a longer warranty will tend to induce companies to charge higher prices to offset those costs.

Just tossing out an idea here -- at the end of the day we're talking about differentiated non-commodity goods so pricing typically not cost-based and is instead based on what people are willing to pay...
 
@3:35 "If you look at the phone thats priced over $1000 (referring to $1099, XS Max) -- most people pay $30/mo or $1/day" he says.

$30/mo x 24 months = $720
$30/mo x 30 months = $900

Where is this math coming from? It hasn't even factored in warranty/loss/theft plans, etc.

And if doing financing through Apple, not the carrier (like Tim is saying 'it turns out people make a deal with their carrier'):
$1099+$199 AC+ built in = $1298

/ 24 = $54/mo

/ 30 = $43.27/mo

um....

I guess Apple and Tim math transcends math math.
 
I'd love for them to do that but the problem is the SE isn't expensive enough to drive you towards their iPhone refresh program. That's the only reason the new phones are so expensive.

You really hit the nail on the head. They know, Tim even mentions it in this interview, that people are on upgrade plans. It is a race to $100 a month for a phone, which means the outright price will just keep going up and up.
 
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Perhaps, but I worry about the regular 8 only having 2GB of RAM (often a bottleneck on older devices) and what that will be like in 2021 or 2022 on iOS 15 or 16. What I have been trying to figure out the past day talking with Apple support chat is whether or not I can modify my iPhone Upgrade Program since I have already paid off the extra month for my X (irritating as that was) and have an XS coming Friday to replace it and I have to send the old one back. It would be cheaper to just pay off the X and let her use that. Nobody seems to be able to give me an answer. Think I'm going to have to call in and escalate it, but I'm waiting to see if her SE survives the drying.
That definitely sounds like the best option if it’s possible, hopefully someone will be able to get it switched over for you - this is where Apple’s superlative customer support comes into play :)
 
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He's just regurgitating talking points from the event like we haven't already heard them

And everyone claps like its the first time they're hearing it..

"why so expensive"

"as it turns out, its your tv, its your camera, its your internet, its your ...."

ugh... we know, tim. we know.
 
I know a lot of people who think the iPhone 6 and larger is way too big and prefer the SE because it fits in their pocket and hand better. The vast majority of them are women. Remaking the iPhone 8 is basically what the iPhone X already is. They aren't very different in size, just a couple mm like I said.

The iPhone 8 is a half-inch taller and a third of an inch wider than the SE - people will adjust.
 
Now, having spend time now test driving Pixel 2 phone (again), I am quite readily admit that for most of the stuff I do, my iPhone X wins - excluding price from the factor. Whether the iPhones are rightly priced or not is another discussion and I don't want to go there.

That said, I find it a bit intellectually offensive that Tim is justifying the price of innovation while at the same time making record profits and having very high profit margins on these phones. No, Tim, it's not that expensive because of the innovations. It's because you want those fat margins. Don't treat people like idiots, please.
 
It doesn't matter what it costs, you still need a smartphone to make an actual *telephone* call. How's the quality? Has the antenna in the iPhone improved so calls don't drop out? I know with my carrier (AT&T), this is a real problem -- one or two bars. If it weren't for Wi-Fi Assist, the iPhone (for me, at least) has always been problematic with actual phone calls. Just an observation from someone who is probably going to leave the Walled Garden very soon...
 
The iPhone 7 now takes the spot of the iPhone SE. Next year it will be the iPhone 8 when it drops down to replace the 7. And in mid-2020 I expect we'll see a new "official" iPhone SE that will use the same case as the iPhone 8 and have the Late 2019 model's internals and most-likely a full-screen display (with notch).

The iPhone SE was created because it was cheap (reusing most of the structure of the iPhone 5/5s) not because it was small. The iPhone 6/7/8 physical design is close enough to the iPhone SE that it will be as usable.

I completely agree that is why it was created, but most people in the US bought it because of the size.
 
Which is it? All you people do is point out the lack of features and innovation as the reason Apple has "lost its way," then when the stock soars and Apple hits sales records, you say the products are so great they "sell themselves."

He didn't say the product was great, he just said the monopoly proves successful and Apple products relatively do sell themselves pretty well. There's even been trickle-down into the social circle of whether or not you own an iPhone. People who do have iPhone's are increasingly put off by people who don't when trying to establish social connections.
 
Is Tim actually explaining the higher prices today with built-in gadgets like camera and music player (without headphone jack, btw)?? This was a valid argument 10 years ago. Now it’s obviously a very lame excuse for justifying insane prices.

LOL
I was going to say this exact same thing. Tim is starting to sound like a politician regurgitating the same old homilies at a campaign rally.
 
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So you’re familiar with the costs of manufacturing a bleeding edge node process for CPUs at scale? It’s not a capital investment of billions to move an entire chip fab over to the newest in manufacturing techniques?
Maybe you can educate and explain to everyone here why so many products are produced in China. You do know that U.S. is not the only country that have companies that have products manufactured there, right? Go take a look and see how much profit Apple generates.
 
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