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Why is it their fault and not Apple's? Maybe Apple is asking too much? If there is no deal, both sides are to blame. Kind of like politics!

i was talking about the context of changing the way we experience TV. content owners have too much control over distribution of the content. if that doesn't change, then TV can't change. we're free to blame the content owners for having too much control over the distribution. Pretty sure if Apple asked for $0 from content owners instead of the 30% cut, content owners would still not budge because their current deals they have in place are much more beneficial, financially.
 
i was talking about the context of changing the way we experience TV. content owners have too much control over distribution of the content. if that doesn't change, then TV can't change. we're free to blame the content owners for having too much control over the distribution. Pretty sure if Apple asked for $0 from content owners instead of the 30% cut, content owners would still not budge because their current deals they have in place are much more beneficial, financially.
Content owners have too much control because they've earned it over decades. Just like Apple has earned its control over the smartphone market. No one is just going to bend over just because Apple says so.

Apple has no advantage here. The only way it's going to change is for Apple to use the one advantage it really has, cash. Buy them!
 
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you're misguided. ALL phones and ALL tablets before the iPhone/iPad had usability issues. apple took advantage of this and now it's a solved problem. if you're expecting another iPhone to WOW you as the first one, you'll be waiting a long time, even if Steve Jobs was still around. all we're seeing now are incremental improvements unless we invent mind reading technology or tactile-form touch screens.

the only important UX issues remaining is TV and a car. Apple is working on the car, and until content owners decide to give up some control, TV is still stuck in the past.

You're completely wrong in many areas here.

Yes Apple redefined the smartphone/tablet and everyone is still copying them. But if you look at most platforms, they're all similar and even if you get some other product than let's say an iPhone, you're not going to miss much.

Yes integration is better on the Apple side, and the OS is better but they point is Apple is just adding dumb features and they're becoming a caricature of a company.

Apple used to be a leader even when in the early 2000's they were struggling to get a large market share for the Mac, but they never forgot who they were.

Why is there 3 iPad sizes? Why is the iPhone 6s Plus just a larger iPhone and doesn't have any special capabilities?

Their Mac line is boring now. Ok make it thinner and more efficient, so what?

Make the iPad's thinner and faster, so what?

We're at a point now where processors don't really matter and what matters is the software and Apple is really boring at software.

There is no one at Apple who cuts through the ********. There's no one to tell Tim that the ihump is a piece of trash and it tarnishes apples reputation.
 
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Content owners have too much control because they've earned it over decades. Just like Apple has earned its control over the smartphone market. No one is just going to bend over just because Apple says so.


this isn't the same. if you hate Apple want a different phone, you can go over Android, Blackberry, or even Windows phone.

but of course they earned it, just like how Comcast earned its ability to monopolize the ISP market in major areas. do they have to listen to our demands so that we can experience their offerings the way we want? nope. can we blame them for not giving what we want? sure.

it's not Apple's fault for not delivering a new TV experience, blame the content owners.
 
this isn't the same. if you hate Apple want a different phone, you can go over Android, Blackberry, or even Windows phone.

but of course they earned it, just like how Comcast earned its ability to monopolize the ISP market in major areas. do they have to listen to our demands so that we can experience their offerings the way we want? nope. can we blame them for not giving what we want? sure.

it's not Apple's fault for not delivering a new TV experience, blame the content owners.

It's not about phones but ecosystems. There are two. IOS and Android. Microsoft and BlackBerry are bit players.

In the ISP game, there are two technologies. Cable and DSL. Every market has at least two with wireless emerging as a third player. Comcast is the biggest but doesn't make 85% of the profits like Apple does in its market.

Apple is much more dominant in its market than Comcast or any other media/content/ISP is in theirs.

There is no reason for these guys to play with Apple unless Apple is willing to pay up. I suggest Apple stop playing around and start throwing cash around if they really believe in this vision for TV.

No reason for blame or excuses.

Put up or shut up.
 
You're completely wrong in many areas here.

Yes Apple redefined the smartphone/tablet and everyone is still copying them. But if you look at most platforms, they're all similar and even if you get some other product than let's say an iPhone, you're not going to miss much.


you missed my point. Steve Jobs got lucky because he was in a time where none of the smartphones were usable (not as usable as today at least) but the importance of the device was substantial. so he along with the team at Apple made this awful experience great. to say that Apple hasn't made another innovation on a magnitude like an iPhone because Steve died is ridiculous. the watch isn't as important as the phone, that's why the Apple Watch isn't perceived as a major innovation. people can live without a watch, but people can't continue the day without a phone.

Their Mac line is boring now. Ok make it thinner and more efficient, so what?
Make the iPad's thinner and faster, so what?

you're saying that if Steve was still around, Macs and iPads would be so much more fun and awesome today? Nope. Again, your point of Steve being gone causing Apple to refresh current products terribly is very incorrect.

Why is there 3 iPad sizes?

Mini is more usable and portable. I use it at the gym to watch movies while running and in bed where it's easy to lay down and hold up the mini in the air in one hand and control with another.

Pro is perfect for note taking, I don't think I'd be able to handwrite notes on a mini.

I don't own an Air anymore. That's the reason for three sizes.


Apple is much more dominant in its market than Comcast or any other media/content/ISP is in theirs.


does Apple create media/content? nope
does Apple provide an internet service? nope
in terms of comparing how "dominant" each one is is difficult.

can comcast force data caps and higher service fees and have users no where else to go? yes, by definition, they've dominated the areas they offer service. so really, Apple isn't more dominant, because users can dump Apple for alternatives.

In the ISP game, there are two technologies. Cable and DSL.

might as well add 56k.

Where I'm living, my DSL connection was 384kbps down/up and disconnected 7 times a day. the only alternative is Cable which I did end up switching over to. so no, users still can't switch easily without sacrificing a lot.
 
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Something innovative, something new that pushes boundaries. Doesn't have to be a new product.

even more amazing.

"oh you know, just something innovative like an iPhone, no biggie, shouldn't be too hard. i want to be WOW'ed. steve could easily do it, why not tim? right?"
 
It strikes me as odd that many in this forum can say anthing they want about Android, Samsung or Microsoft's products and hardly anyone says a thing. However let Apple mess up as they did with this hump case and people are quick to flame you here for not liking everything Apple does and they are quick to tell you if you don't like it don't buy it etc...

Apple has made many good products over the years worthy of praise. However this case is not one of them in my opinion and I'm not going to pretend it is just because someone gets their feathers in a bunch because I didn't find this product worthy of praise. And honestly, Apple is a billion dollar company so I think they can defend themselves. Calling people idiots, whiners, children, and complainers for calling Apple out on this case is far worse than any of the negative comments I've read concerning this case. IMO the case is ugly. Lets not be afraid to call a spade a spade. Apple will recieve praise when its due.
 
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this reply is amazing. going to screenshot this.



even more amazing.

"oh you know, just something innovative like an iPhone, no biggie, shouldn't be too hard. i want to be WOW'ed. steve could easily do it, why not tim? right?"

You're obviously not a designer and have no idea how Apple or any design centric company functions.
 
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It strikes me as odd that many in this forum can say anthing they want about Android, Samsung or Microsoft's products and hardly anyone says a thing. However let Apple mess up as they did with this hump case and people are quick to flame you here for not liking everything Apple does and they are quick to tell you if you don't like it don't buy it etc...

Apple has made many good products over the years worthy of praise. However this case is not one of them in my opinion and I'm not going to pretend it is just because someone gets their feathers in a bunch because I didn't find this product worthy of praise. And honestly, Apple is a billion dollar company so I think they can defend themselves. Calling people idiots, whiners, children, and complainers for calling Apple out on this case is far worse than any of the negative comments I've read concerning this case. IMO the case is ugly. Lets not be afraid to call a spade a spade. Apple will recieve praise when its due.

Apple is put on a pedestal because it's a design-centric company and everything they release is highly-calculated and they are meticulous with everything they make. This is why they only have a few products, and each one is very successful. They are not like Sony or Samsung who have 500 versions of the same product. This is why people put it on a pedestal.

Most of the people that stuck around with Apple in the "dark ages" were people who were loyal and appreciated Apple's meticulousness. They didn't jump ship because they saw something greater in the future. Now that Apple has somewhat reached it's pinnacle, it will vehemently be scrutinized for every little thing that they do. It's always been the case since the 90s.
 
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does Apple create media/content? nope
does Apple provide an internet service? nope
in terms of comparing how "dominant" each one is is difficult.

can comcast force data caps and higher service fees and have users no where else to go? yes, by definition, they've dominated the areas they offer service. so really, Apple isn't more dominant, because users can dump Apple for alternatives.



might as well add 56k.

Where I'm living, my DSL connection was 384kbps down/up and disconnected 7 times a day. the only alternative is Cable which I did end up switching over to. so no, users still can't switch easily without sacrificing a lot.

Read what I said. I said Apple is more dominant in THEIR market than Comcast is in THEIRS. That is a fact. So who has more monopolistic power? Over suppliers? Over pricing? Over partners? Apple easily.

I'm sorry that your DSL connection sucks. Most places offer 10-15Mb/s easy. AT&T and Verizon are ramping up their fiber offerings so there will be plenty more competition for Comcast going forward. Who do you see taking on the iPhone's profits in the near future? No one.
 
Something innovative, something new that pushes boundaries. Doesn't have to be a new product.

oh you know, just something innovative like an iPhone, no biggie, shouldn't be too hard. steve could easily do it, why not tim? right?
You're obviously not a designer and have no idea how Apple or any design centric company functions.


i thought you weren't going to read my reply? there goes that plan.
 
Read what I said. I said Apple is more dominant in THEIR market than Comcast is in THEIRS. That is a fact.
this is not a fact.
read my reply again. this is the exact thing I'm disagreeing about. Apple doesn't have the freedom to piss off the customers as much as Comcast does right now. Comcast OWNS the market in their respective areas of offering. Apple doesn't OWN the market. They need to worry about people switching to Android. Comcast doesn't need to worry about losing customers.


I'm sorry that your DSL connection sucks. Most places offer 10-15Mb/s easy. AT&T and Verizon are ramping up their fiber offerings so there will be plenty more competition for Comcast going forward. Who do you see taking on the iPhone's profits in the near future? No one.

Before my cable connection, I had DSL with advertised 10megabit down/ 5 up, real world speed was 384kbps down/up. I switched to Charter (the only other ISP servicing my area) and it's 60mbit down/5up real world speed. If Charter starts charging more and adding data caps, I'll still have to pay for it since there isn't really an alternative here.

Who do you see taking on the iPhone's profits in the near future? No one.

uhh, Android phones are taking iPhone profits right now.

who do you see taking Comcast profits in the near future? No one.
 
this is not a fact.
read my reply again. this is the exact thing I'm disagreeing about. Apple doesn't have the freedom to piss off the customers as much as Comcast does right now. Comcast OWNS the market in their respective areas of offering. Apple doesn't OWN the market. They need to worry about people switching to Android. Comcast doesn't need to worry about losing customers.

Have you seen Apple's pricing? Have you seen the spec upgrades that Apple puts out vs. the Android market? I don't think Apple is worried about Android at all. They have pricing power and Comcast doesn't.

The market thinks Apple is more powerful than Comcast on almost every metric there is.

People love Apple and people hate Comcast. In fact, people are cutting the cord all the time. Comcast loses customers every day while Apple gains customers every day.
 
Have you seen Apple's pricing? Have you seen the spec upgrades that Apple puts out vs. the Android market? I don't think Apple is worried about Android at all.

The market thinks Apple is more powerful than Comcast on almost every metric there is.

People love Apple and people hate Comcast. In fact, people are cutting the cord all the time. Comcast loses customers every day while Apple gains customers every day.

Android marketshare is above 50% at the moment. Predicted to be in the 60 percent in 2016.

Apple doesn't own the market. Comcast owns its market its in. This is a fact.

If people hated Apple, Apple loses customers. If people hated Comcast , Comcast doesn't lose customers. Therefore, comcast is dominating the market.
 
Android marketshare is above 50% at the moment. Predicted to be in the 60 percent in 2016.

Apple doesn't own the market. Comcast owns its market its in. This is a fact.
As Apple fans mention on this board every day, market share is irrelevant because Apple captures 85% of the profits.
 
i thought you weren't going to read my reply? there goes that plan.

No, I said I won't be replying to your rhetoric because you obviously only use deductive reasoning. You should go read a bit on philosophical leadership and how some of the best people in the world have changed the world because thank God they don't think like you -- just logic and reason.

Tim Cook has a managerial background and not an artistic one.
 
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As Apple fans mention on this board every day, market share is irrelevant because Apple captures 85% of the profits.

Precisely. Apple owns the smartphone market (in a way where it really matters). Who in their right mind doesn't own an iPhone? If they go the Android route it's probably to save money. There are too many android products, and only a handful iPhone versions, which run the exact same OS.
 
No, I said I won't be replying to your rhetoric

you literally said (and this is a direct quote from YOUR POST):
"Not reading your reply"

sorry but you contradicted yourself. I however will definitely not be reading your reply since this is getting ridiculously time consuming to try and straighten you out.
 

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you literally said (and this is a direct quote from YOUR POST):
"Not reading your reply"

sorry but you contradicted yourself. I however will definitely not be reading your reply since this is getting ridiculously time consuming to try and straighten you out.

As I've said in that post, I did not read your reply because there are literally dozens of posts like yours (I can smell your position on this from a mile away) on this forum and on non-Apple forums.

However, I did read your post above (because it's short) which contains ad-hominem attacks, because your viewpoint only comes from a logical point of view and not an artists. Steve Jobs and the people that worked under him killed themselves day in and day out just to change the landscape a bit and people like you won't get it, but thankfully this is something that doesn't need to be explained by common "normies" such as yourself.

So in other words, straighten yourself out first before you try to enter a debate with ad-hominem attacks and useless rhetoric.

Just watch this. Don't be so predictable.

 
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it's the fault of tv content owners. keep in mind, the iPhone was possible because Cingular (now AT&T) gave it a shot and gave up control. tv content owners need to relinquish their control on distribution for Apple to change TV. That's a tall order since you're not dealing with one content owner, you're dealing with hundreds.

Is it? Couldn't it be argued that Tim Cook doesn't have the vision/presentation/persuasion skills that Steve Jobs had which is key making the distortion field so he could lure TV content providers as we saw with Music/iPod/iTunes? If so it may not be content owner's fault entirely, I'd say Apple isn't pulling the same magical leadership they pulled off with Music.
 
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