Tim Cook Remembers Steve Jobs on 8th Anniversary of His Death

[CreeptoLoser]

I remember Steve's keynotes for how natural and fairly down-to-earth they were.

Even with the goof ups and stage mishaps the keynotes were awesome. The mishaps made them easier to connect to. Now too polished. They had that woman going on stage wearing a raincoat indoors and paid her something like $50 million to put trees in Apple Stores. I am 1000000000% sure Steve Jobs would have said WTF waste of money. You can spend that money fixing the ****ing computer designs instead.

 

[Wilderness-1902]

In my opinion Ive ruined Apple, which was not his fault but Cook's of course. I sincerely hope that behind the scenes he was fired by Cook –realising the damage Ive had done, and that this now will change something at Apple.

Jobs had the ability to balance the design and engineering. When he died, no one could do that any more. So we can see some failure from engineering perspective, for example, the battery issue with less device thickness.

 

[simonmet]

I remember Steve's keynotes for how natural and fairly down-to-earth they were.

I.e. the complete opposite of today. I can’t even bring myself to watch them anymore.

 

[simonmet]

Stop buying Apple products? Who? You’re more than welcome. my family and I like their products.

But you forgot one item for Apple after serve Jobs. $1t. That’s a measure of success that I think many critics find it hard to swallow.

Sharemarket value has little to do with what’s good for the consumer. I don’t get why so many people struggle to see that and keep equating the two. In fact, after a certain point of profitability and sharemarket valuation the correlation is probably negative because it indicates things like potential dependence, price gouging, market dominance, etc. Big Oil and Big Pharma have huge valuations but does that “success”, as you put it, benefit the consumer unconditionally? Hardly!

There are many legitimate reasons why post-Jobs Apple < Jobs Apple and people have every right to point them out. Every year when Tim Cook posts his remembrance tweet he’s inviting the comparison.

 

[everythingapplerainbow]

I can only imagine what Apple would be today if Steve hadn't been taken so early.

product probably more expensive
However software quality would not be as bad as it is now

 

[jonnysods]

These people don't care about Apple or Steve Jobs. They are just riding on the coat tails of history. Here's the evidence.

Apple under Steve Jobs
Laptops and desktops as fast or faster than PCs
Laptops and desktops becoming more affordable and competitively priced
OS X faster and more bug free than Windows
Bugs fixed quickly
Updates to Power Mac/Mac Pro regularly
Operating systems not called 'GM' when they are rough beta
Wide choice of industry standard and third party hardware upgrades
Slower and high quality release cycles
Industry standard graphics APIs with similar performance as PCs
Serve users first and then shareholders

Apple after Steve Jobs
Throttling **** badly designed laptops
T2 disaster controller /sound chip with bugs that Apple won't even acknowledge
macOS slower than Windows in every possible way
Bugs fixed after 10000 complaints from users
Almost impossible to upgrade anything
Much slower graphics APIs and GPU performance than PCs
New operating systems released in poor condition
Updates to Mac Pro after 6 years and it is massively slow crap compared to even a $2000 PC
Apps and services worse than the competition
Serve shareholders first and screw users

They won't change until we stop buying. The problem isn't just Apple. The tech industry is abusive. They don't care if their services make life expensive and hard for common working people. If Uber slows traffics and increases pollution or if AirBNB or WeWork makes rent unaffordable, they don't give a damn. They just want to fill their pockets up. Then politicians see the tech industry getting away with these abuses and think....hey we can do that too.

I agree with so much of this, but we don’t want to have a revisionist history, things still went wrong under Jobs - thee quick examples were the activation of iPhone issues via iTunes especially at launch, MobileMe launch and bugs, and the iPhone 4 antenna issue (I replaced a few of those trying to get a working one).

Things weren’t perfect - but I miss his oversight of the company, having a tech obsessed CEO was far better for Apple and us.

 

[I7guy]

Sharemarket value has little to do with what’s good for the consumer. I don’t get why so many people struggle to see that and keep equating the two. In fact, after a certain point of profitability and sharemarket valuation the correlation is probably negative because it indicates things like potential dependence, price gouging, market dominance, etc. Big Oil and Big Pharma have huge valuations but does that “success”, as you put it, benefit the consumer unconditionally? Hardly!

There are many legitimate reasons why post-Jobs Apple < Jobs Apple and people have every right to point them out. Every year when Tim Cook posts his remembrance tweet he’s inviting the comparison.

So let's go with your assumption and see what objective measure is used to determine if Apple is doing good for it's consumers. (We will leave energy and pharma aside). MR posts? Youtube videos? CR reports? Quarterly report? Market Cap? Which is objective?

As far as legitimate reasons where apple deserves criticism, I didn't say that. Apple deserved criticism under Jobs and deserves criticism under Cook. There is no perfect company. But what gets hotly debated is the relative value of the criticism, which is subjective, (ie: minor criticism, bump in the road type thing, or major criticism, major failing) with many of the good accomplishments seemingly downplayed to nothing.

That doesn't mean what Apple is doing isn't good for the consumer and that post-Jobs, Cook isn't doing a bang-up job.

 

[Abazigal]

There are many legitimate reasons why post-Jobs Apple < Jobs Apple and people have every right to point them out. Every year when Tim Cook posts his remembrance tweet he’s inviting the comparison.

There are also many legitimate reasons why I feel that post-Jobs Apple > Jobs Apple and people have every right to point them out.

 

[I7guy]

...I’m also a little bit sick inside when he rolls out his platitudes for Steve when Jobs would be spinning in his grave at how Cook is going about a lot of things.

For all you(we) know, Steve is communicating through the ether to Tim and telling Tim how to run the company. And this is how Steve wants it done. (Hey, if people believe Jobs would be spinning in his grave, then it's not beyond reason to suggest, other worldly things might happen)

 

[Labeno]

First off, I think it’s an extremely ridiculous assertion to make that Apple deliberately removed MagSafe with the express intention of hoping that users would send their laptops crashing to the ground more often, in turn forcing them to upgrade.

For the simple reason that if this were indeed the case, my next laptop most assuredly would not have been the exact same product that caused me so much problems and frustration in the first place.

My theory is a much simpler one. Thunderbolt 3 is easily the most versatile port ever shipped, and they are likely the most powerful as well. By doubling down on Thunderbolt 3 in one of the best-selling notebooks available, Apple is essentially forcing the hand of manufacturers and consumers everywhere to adopt and support it. Essentially solving the classic “chicken and egg” problem of each side waiting for the other party to make the first move before committing.

Sure, this “usb-c purity” mentality means no sd-card slot, no MagSafe, no hdmi, and no usb-A ports. And I say good riddance to all of them, even as I confess to loving MagSafe, and still using usb-A on a regular basis.

The new i/o selection in the MacBooks is a lesson in long-term gain for short term pain. In the short term, we are disadvantaged by having to carrying adaptors everywhere we go (though I maintain that this issue has been largely overblown). In the long term, we can look forward to more usb-c peripherals and support.

Think about it. With usb-c, there is potential to run a 5k display, connect multiple usb 3 external drives, connect to the internet via Ethernet, charge your laptop, and link external GPU modules all through a single cable! In fact, you can already do all this right now with a LG 5k display and a thunderbolt dock.

The future looks so very bright for thunderbolt 3, and I can’t wait to see the potential it unlocks. And if MagSafe had to go in exchange for this, then so be it.

I actually agree with most your reasoning. I also really like progress... I want progress. In my post, notice that I said "MagSafe concept". I may have used USB C as an example, but what's wrong with creating a magnetic disconnect for thunderbolt 3. I have a third party MagSafe-like adaptor for my wife's new MacBook Air, and it works great. Why did Apple choose to not include the MagSafe concept anymore? It would probably cost them about 10 cents with their manufacturing volume. The laptop would not need to be bigger internally or externally. The only rational reason is it leads to significantly more profit via laptop repairs (self destruction is not covered by warrantee). I respectfully would like to hear a valid reason to remove the MagSafe concept.

 

[Abazigal]

I actually agree with most your reasoning. I also really like progress... I want progress. In my post, notice that I said "MagSafe concept". I may have used USB C as an example, but what's wrong with creating a magnetic disconnect for thunderbolt 3. I have a third party MagSafe-like adaptor for my wife's new MacBook Air, and it works great. Why did Apple choose to not include the MagSafe concept anymore? It would probably cost them about 10 cents with their manufacturing volume. The laptop would not need to be bigger internally or externally. The only rational reason is it leads to significantly more profit via laptop repairs (self destruction is not covered by warrantee). I respectfully would like to hear a valid reason to remove the MagSafe concept.

I have no answer to that.

Though if I had to hazard a guess, my theory is that Apple likes to design their products based on projected workflows, and one of the designers might have felt that the battery life on their 2016+ MacBooks were long enough that users would be comfortable using their laptops on a desk without charging it.

MagSafe was a solution to a very real problem back when it was introduced - that battery life on laptops was so short (typically 2-3 hours) that for most part, you had to use them while plugged in, and that tend to result in scenarios where people were kicking and tripping over cables.

As to why there is no first-party MagSafe solution from Apple, maybe they simply haven’t gotten round to designing one, felt it just wasn’t necessary, or thought it was something they could leave the to the accessory market to fill in? Maybe they felt that a dongle sticking out of your MacBook was simply too unsightly?

I mean, iPhones and iPads don’t come with MagSafe (at least not without third-party accessories), and the reason for that is because Apple expects you to charge them overnight and them use them on the go during the day.

Perhaps Apple expects you to use your laptop like an ipad?

 

[TComm]

These people don't care about Apple or Steve Jobs. They are just riding on the coat tails of history. Here's the evidence.

Apple under Steve Jobs
Laptops and desktops as fast or faster than PCs
Laptops and desktops becoming more affordable and competitively priced
OS X faster and more bug free than Windows
Bugs fixed quickly
Updates to Power Mac/Mac Pro regularly
Operating systems not called 'GM' when they are rough beta
Wide choice of industry standard and third party hardware upgrades
Slower and high quality release cycles
Industry standard graphics APIs with similar performance as PCs
Serve users first and then shareholders

Apple after Steve Jobs
Throttling **** badly designed laptops
T2 disaster controller /sound chip with bugs that Apple won't even acknowledge
macOS slower than Windows in every possible way
Bugs fixed after 10000 complaints from users
Almost impossible to upgrade anything
Much slower graphics APIs and GPU performance than PCs
New operating systems released in poor condition
Updates to Mac Pro after 6 years and it is massively slow crap compared to even a $2000 PC
Apps and services worse than the competition
Serve shareholders first and screw users

They won't change until we stop buying. The problem isn't just Apple. The tech industry is abusive. They don't care if their services make life expensive and hard for common working people. If Uber slows traffics and increases pollution or if AirBNB or WeWork makes rent unaffordable, they don't give a damn. They just want to fill their pockets up. Then politicians see the tech industry getting away with these abuses and think....hey we can do that too.

Don't forget the infamous butterfly keyboard! What a fiasco.

 

[citysnaps]

Don't forget the infamous butterfly keyboard! What a fiasco.

How could I forget about it? I use my MBP for hours everyday; typing faster and more accurately than with other Apple keyboards, going far back.

 

[wellander1]

Very sad.
R.I.P Steve Jobs.
We could tell you are gone from apple.

 

[newyorksole]

I was not really a big fan of Steve Jobs, but Apple back then, was a company I rooted for; the underdog that made truly aspirational products and seemed to have decent values; todays Apple is far away from that Apple. I have more Apple products now but I really don’t like the company or it’s values any more.

Lol. I guess the cool thing to do is “not like the company anymore”.

 

[Stevie jobz 2.0]

Perhaps 'invented' is the wrong word but there is no denying he developed a device that people wanted to use and that changed the way we interact with each other and the world. The guy that put together the first automobile didn't 'invent' the engine or the wheel but look at how putting the two together changed everything.

Thanks for agreeing that he didnt invent anything....

 

[CreeptoLoser]

Don't forget the infamous butterfly keyboard! What a fiasco.

The keyboard I can live with because all their laptop keyboards for years were mushy or light leak or keys fell off or paint came off. New one is just too hard and solid. Their external Magic Keyboard has the best balance and would be really good in a MacBook/MBP. I believe they have avoided putting the Magic Keyboard on the laptops because they need to keep us complaining and push us to upgrade. Next one will be better promise. We fix it next time promise. Hey we make it better now with the 8th generation Superfly mechanism. Base model $10,000.

 

[Jim Lahey]

MagSafe sucked anyway. it would almost always disconnect when intentionally moving the laptop, and as anyone who ever used a MacBook Pro in a semi-industrial environment will attest, the magnet attracted metallic grit and dust within hours, rendering it unusable and almost impossible to effectively clean.

Hell, the 90 degree connector of old wasn’t even safe, and could easily be used to LIFT the laptop off of a table. Gold riddance to the death of MagSafe. It was a nice concept but ultimately flawed. Long live USB-C.

 

[citysnaps]

So typical here, every year at this time.

Tim Cook, a trusted and close friend of Steve Jobs, one who Jobs trusted to carry Apple forward after his death, remembers and pays tribute to his passing. And the response with respect to Cook on MR by many ranges from juvenile to hateful. What a sorry situation. Steve would likely be very saddened.

 

[Williesleg]

So typical here, every year at this time.

Tim Cook, a trusted and close friend of Steve Jobs, one who Jobs trusted to carry Apple forward after his death, remembers and pays tribute to his passing. And the response on MR by many ranges from juvenile to hateful. What a sorry situation. Steve would likely be very saddened.

Steve would have fired Tim long ago. Remember, Tim Apple was supposed to be a transitional leader. Unfortunately the company is still in shock and nobody wants to rock the boat. So now they sink. It was fun while it lasted.

 

[Jim Lahey]

So typical here, every year at this time.

Tim Cook, a trusted and close friend of Steve Jobs, one who Jobs trusted to carry Apple forward after his death, remembers and pays tribute to his passing. And the response on MR by many ranges from juvenile to hateful. What a sorry situation. Steve would likely be very saddened.

Standard fare on the internet in 2019, I'm afraid. Bitter whining and irrational hatred makes people feel heard. Everything is also an extreme. No rational nuance. Everything is either the best thing ever, or "abhorrent" or "vile" etc. etc. etc.
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Steve would have fired Tim long ago. Remember, Tim Apple was supposed to be a transitional leader.

Ironically, so was Jobs on his return. Interim CEO.

 

[citysnaps]

Standard fare on the internet in 2019, I'm afraid. Bitter whining and irrational hatred makes people feel heard. Everything is also an extreme. No rational nuance. Everything is either the best thing ever, or "abhorrent" or "vile" etc. etc. etc.

So true. Some people are so angry and hateful, to the point of trashing another human being. All for that little blip of feel-good power that's otherwise lacking. A truly sorry situation.

 

[ani4ani]

Lol. I guess the cool thing to do is “not like the company anymore”.

It’s not about being “cool;” it’s about a company that has become lazy and (very) greedy. I don’t feel the customer is any where near as important to them as they used to be. I don’t like the pious claims seldom reflected in actions taken. I don’t like the cynical and calculated (driven by profit) way some of their products are gimped from the get-go. Their greed has become a somewhat sinister driver for the business. They seek and exploit gullibility in their customer base and I feel they no longer respect their customers like they used to.

From a sentimental point of view, I don’t like the Apple that is turning into a services business, e.g. cloud, financial, banking and media rather than the tech company I used to root for. I understand why they are, but I don’t (need to) like it.

I’m not asking or expecting you to agree with me, but life is all about perceptions and frankly this how I perceive this company these days. I doubt I’m alone in that impression.

 

[I7guy]

...

I’m not asking or expecting you to agree with me, but life is all about perceptions and frankly this how I perceive this company these days. I doubt I’m alone in that impression.

As there are others who feel differently than you do. With hundreds of millions of customers, it's expected to be a wide variation in how customers, and non-customers, perceive of any company. Doesn't make anybody right or wrong.

 

[ElectricPotato]

As far as bugs, I use windows also...need I say more?

I use Windows daily for work and have not seen it (the OS) crash in a decade. My 2018 MBP has a T2/bridgeOS kernel panic a couple of times per month, something that was not a problem with my 2012 MBA. That first hand experience leads me to agree with the person you are responding to: Apple's reliability has severely eroded while competitors have improved. That's a bad trend for Apple, I hope they choose reverse it in the near future.