Tim Cook Says 250 Apple Employees Are 'Dreamers' as Donald Trump's Decision on DACA Nears

[0098386]

And their representation in the political class is disproportionate. Fortunately, one of the nation's worst was sent packing in the 2016 election. Hopefully she and her sociopath husband are gone for good.

Please don’t be delirious. You may be too biased if you’re close to this subject. As a foreigner looking in you can see a much clearer picture.
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but insulting my country won't help us reach an understanding with each other.

Pardon? It’s just a country, you don’t have to be so protective over it. You’re allowed to criticise it. Here, watch, the UK is dreadful right now as Brexit brought out racists and our leaders are failing in negotiation preparations. Our country could be better, and so could yours. The problem is the leadership for you guys - Trump is a terrible person; grabbing people by the *****, not denouncing far right violence. Other terrible people see that and recognise it as a form of acceptance, that it’s okay to be bigoted and sociopathic.

It’s not good.

 

[blacktape242]

Yes, and I'm a LEGAL immigrant who spent a fortune coming to this country. Multiple interviews, countless lawyers, a process that took nearly 10 f'n years. Don't give me this BS about feelings.

To the back of the line!

THIS.........
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There has been an unpleasant and drastic rise in sociopaths.
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What’s an “sjw”?

Social Justice Warrior

 

[0388631]

Brexit brought out racists and our leaders are failing in negotiation preparations.

To be fair, those Britons were already vocal about the Poles for years.

 

[Apple Corps]

No. Obama’s Executive Order was entirely legal and DACA recipients are legal right now.

You are simply wrong - the 5th Circuit decision was upheld by the Supreme Court on a 4-4 deadlock. DACA is rescinded.

King Obama did not have the authority to do what he did.

 

[BaldiMac]

And once again, the problem with liberalism/progressivism... Technically, Tim, your hiring of undocumented workers is illegal. Also, technically, Apple should get into serious legal trouble for doing so. You're not above the law Tim.

Whether we change the law to help "Dreamers" is another matter. As it currently stands though, they are here illegally. I am not against working something out, legally, for "Dreamers" as it was not their fault they were brought here, but we are a nation of laws, and therefore it has to be done properly.

Technically, it wouldn't be illegal to hire them if they had work permits.
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You are simply wrong - the 5th Circuit decision was upheld by the Supreme Court on a 4-4 deadlock. DACA is rescinded.

No. That decision was an injunction to block expansion of DACA. It didn't rescind DACA.

Nor was it upheld by the Supreme Court. A deadlock sets no precedent either way.

 

[dk001]

What you're failing to comprehend is that Obama's order was illegal when it was issued since he did not have the authority to essentially change the law as Congress wrote it, which is what his EO did. Therefore, the consequences of that illegal order have no effect. The issue must be decided and act on by Congress, not the President. Trump's approach to this is the right one -- put the onus on Congress to fix the problem they've been playing footsie with for years.

and to add fuel to the fire ... (States Against DACA)

and then again ... (States for DACA)

So we have states that want DACA stopped and Congress to fix things vs. states that want DACA kept going and arbitrarily grant the President, which they don't like, more power.

What a soap opera style reality tv episode.

 

[cgsnipinva]

The vast majority of those are facts, not opinions. You heard the access Hollywood tape. You can go on Youtube and watch him and Marco Rubio debate their "hand size". Most of his Tweets and re-Tweets regarding news come from Fox - or worse. He has repeatedly insulted people he disagrees with by calling them names, and still does. If you're okay with that stuff, that's fine, but most are certainly not opinions.

I'm much more apt to believe some actually like that behavior - which at least is honest - as opposed to those who pretend it didn't happen.

No there are not -- they are mostly accusations from the left. SInce there were so many in the original post -- let's look at a some of them to make sure they are fact.

1.) Muslim Databases -- Nope there isn't one and Trump only commented on the possibility of using a database to track the acceptance of Syrian refugees as part of an overall vetting process -- extending one already used by DHS for refugee tracking (one started about 25 years ago). The press assumed and hyped up the idea of a muslim religious database.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ld-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/ ----- FALSE

2.) 2. Suggesting using the US military to imitate warcrimes. --- I could not find one statement where someone in the press accused Trump of this. I assume this the opinion of the OP because i am sure in his mind any military response to anything is a war crime. This claim is not specific enough to even rate a response --- FALSE

3.) Lambasted a disabled reporter. - This claim has been disproven over and over again as the gesture many people pointed to was used in mulitple occaisons by Trump and not to disparage handicapped people.
http://www.investors.com/politics/c...sabled-reporter-and-other-lies-from-the-left/
https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-did-not-mock-a-reporters-disability/
There is also a video of Trump using this gesture discussing various topics over thirty times -- -FALSE

4.) Muslim ban on countries that don't contribute much to US terrorism. Why was Saudi Arabia and Pakistan not in the ban? These two countries have caused more US deaths than the rest put together. The Saudis also fund terrorism targeting Westerners. --- This travel ban was based on a list and a report issued by the Obama administration. It doesn't matter if they were involved in terrorist attacks in the past - the Obama report and list was an assessment of future threats. Once again -- FALSE

5.) Hardly knows the constitution. - Please provide proof as this is an opinion. Need something specific. I could point to Obama who thought he could rule through Executive Order. Based on the liberal comments here -- its the left that knows little to nothing about the Constitution and the separation of powers --- FALSE

6.) This is a lie and clealry slander -- Businesses big and small and his workers have stated they have never seen a racist bone in his body. But of course if you believe in tax cuts and limited government you are a racist in the left's eyes. It seems odd this claim is made as Jesse Jackson praised Donald Trump on his support of civil rights in 1999.

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That was a quick review of that rather poor list of claims. But as you can see they are hardly fact. I could go through the whole list but I do have a day job.

Nice try though.

 

[PizzaBoxStyle]

The issue with that is most take a low salary and a high stock stipend. They cash in stock as they see fit. Unless you went after their assets. Though, you would have to prove they actually knew and not based on their word. Specifically, if they had first-hand knowledge of illegal employees, and not someone in HR who told them.

Ohh I'm sorry. I meant that their corporate entities / the corporation be taxed, not them personally.

Regardless you bring up really good points and I agree with both. It'd be very difficult to hold the CEOs personally responsible in this.

 

[alex2792]

Without the 250 DACA employees Apple will surely collapse, rumormis they’re canceling September 12 event and the iPhone 8 is being pushed back by 5 years.

 

[MrX8503]

I'll say this right at the onset: Tim Cook needs to give his left liberal political pandering since November 2016 a bloody effing break. I'm an immigrant from India myself, I currently work for Apple from Germany, I have family in the USA, and before Tim blindly starts defending Dreamers, he needs to read this: https://cis.org/Mortensen/DACA-Gran...mitting-Crimes-While-Abandoning-Their-Victims.

What does that prove? If they're not found guilty of a felony, then why does it matter? 1,500 Dreamers had their DACA status revoked due to gangs, which is 1.8%. The percentage of Dreamers convicted of felonies is probably even lower.

How about we look at the majority of Dreamers' contribution? Deporting them would cost the US $460B over 10 years. https://www.americanprogress.org/is...new-threat-daca-cost-states-billions-dollars/

 

[0098386]

Social Justice Warrior

And what is that? How come all 3 people I’ve asked haven’t explained what they think one is. I think that’s interesting in itself.

 

[0388631]

Ohh I'm sorry. I meant that their corporate entities / the corporation be taxed, not them personally.

Regardless you bring up really good points and I agree with both. It'd be very difficult to hold the CEOs personally responsible in this.

Ah, makes sense. Easier to go after companies than people themselves. On the other hand, if a new Mini isn't released, I'm sure some of our members will strangle Cook themselves.

 

[cgsnipinva]

What does that prove? If they're not found guilty of a felony, then why does it matter? 1,500 Dreamers had their DACA status revoked due to gangs, which is 1.8%. The percentage of Dreamers convicted of felonies is probably even lower.

How about we look at the majority of Dreamers' contribution? Deporting them would cost the US $460B over 10 years. https://www.americanprogress.org/is...new-threat-daca-cost-states-billions-dollars/

I am sure many of them are fine people. But the issue is bigger than them. The issue is are we a nation of laws or are we going to let emotions support arbitrary power and the rule by personality. The EO for DACA was on very shaky constitutional grounds as Obama tried to modify existing law instead of enforcing it.

That principle trumps any argument over how nice and productive these people are. Fact is they are not citizens and the interests of the citizen rules supreme in any nation and in the US we need to harden and bolster the rule of law.

If they are that awesome they can apply for entrance under our current process and law.

 

[MrX8503]

I am sure many of them are fine people. But the issue is bigger than them. The issue is are we a nation of laws or are we going to let emotions support arbitrary power and the rule by personality. The EO for DACA was on very shaky constitutional grounds as Obama tried to modify existing law instead of enforcing it.

That principle trumps any argument over how nice and productive these people are. Fact is they are not citizens and the interests of the citizen rules supreme in any nation and in the US we need to harden and bolster the rule of law.

If they are that awesome they can apply for entrance under our current process and law.

Currently, DACA is the law. They're not citizens, but they're not criminals either.

Trump isn't interested in providing a path to citizenship.

 

[dogslobber]

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What caught our attention was the claim that a federal judge labeled Obama’s action "unconstitutional.""

Obama's sole justification -- in his own words -- was prosecutorial discretion which most legal scholars considered bunk as you cannot enact prosecutorial discretion on a whole class of offendors - only on a case by case basis. Additionally - this is something usually reserved for prosecuting attorney's not the President.

If it was illegal/unconstitutional then it would be dead already. Is it? No, because it's legal until it's rescinded and enforced.
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What do you mean by "legal"? What do you think it means?

Most folks would consider it meaning as being in accordance to the law. If DACA recipients are "legal", then why would anyone be worried?

DACA are not "legal". They are legal. They'd be worried because the Executive Order has been rescinded and they now have no legal protection from it.
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You are simply wrong - the 5th Circuit decision was upheld by the Supreme Court on a 4-4 deadlock. DACA is rescinded.

King Obama did not have the authority to do what he did.

DACA is still entirely legal until Trump's Executive Order to end it. It's not hard, folks.

 

[BaldiMac]

I am sure many of them are fine people. But the issue is bigger than them. The issue is are we a nation of laws or are we going to let emotions support arbitrary power and the rule by personality.

More to the point, the actual issue is whether, as a nation of laws, we punish people for something that someone else did when they were kids.

 

[78Bandit]

I support Trump's decision to put the issue to Congress. Regardless of how you feel about Obama, if you think his actions establishing the DACA were legal then you have to admit Trump's decision to rescind it is legal too. If you think Trump shouldn't have the authority to stop it then you have to admit Obama didn't have the authority to enact it either. It is a political mess that depends on the whims of a President beholden to their political party.

Congress is the appropriate venue in which to decide the issue, and even then they are restricted in the laws they can enact by the Constitution.

I feel bad for the illegal immigrants who were brought here by their parents, but the parents knew the risks. They were willing to trade the potential that the lax immigration policies of the USA would continue on forever in exchange for the risk they wouldn't. At some point, though, a line in the sand has to be drawn. The USA simply must establish clear, enforceable rules for recognizing a person's right to be here. We need checks along the way to ensure illegal immigrants are identified as early as possible in order to avoid having 25 year old "Dreamers" claiming they never knew they were illegal. If the parents get forged documents then the blame needs to be placed solely on them, not on the country to which they entered illegally.

To put it another way, if my father stole a Picasso painting or had a stash of Nazi loot in a storage locker and I inherited it without knowing its origin would I get ownership? Of course not. In the same vein the illegal actions of the parents cannot provide legitimacy for the continued benefit of the children.

It is in the best interest of the country to identify the illegal residents as soon as possible and enforce the immigration laws uniformly to avoid having the situation fester until it reaches a boiling point like it has now. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

 

[dk001]

If it was illegal/unconstitutional then it would be dead already. Is it? No, because it's legal until it's rescinded and enforced.

Not true. DACA was a political "hot potato" and no one wanted to touch it in 2012 - take a look at DAPA and Expanded DACA when those were touched. With a new President and states pushing back hard on illegal immigration, that "hot potato" isn't so hot anymore.

Obama's EO (legal or not) gave Congress an opportunity to correct or clarify the immigration issue for these "children". Nothing was done. Now you have 10 States set to sue and they will likely win.

 

[Gudi]

Dear Apple employees, please dream somewhere else. This is Great America!

 

[Col4bin]

he has as much right to speak as you do. sorry if that bothers you

Wrong. Not saying I personally agree or disagree with him, but TC uses his lofty and influential position as head of Apple to push his SJW/political agenda. There's a huge difference when he does this versus nobody's like us who do it in an online chat forum. But you knew that already.

 

[Wando64]

American citizens come before dreamers. If they want jobs here, they need to be naturalized. I Support President Trump

I am sure that is exactly what these young people would like. How about making this an option for them?

Oh, and by te way, the words "President" and "Trump" next to one another cause me to fit in uncontrollable laughter to the point that it hurts, so I would kindly request that you don't put them together anymore. Thanks.

 

[jamesnajera]

Re-reading Tim's statement, I do not see anything wrong with it (except for the fact that it is political, but this is Tim). To me, Tim seems to state the facts and spin it positively as "Apple will work with Congress". Personally I am glad to see that Tim/Apple plans to work with Congress. Congress is where this law should have come from. Trump and the AG are giving Congress 6 months, that is plenty of time for Congress put something together.

My feeling, Congress has had plenty of time to work this out but politics and partisanship has made evident there laziness and shows there failure to act.

This really isn't a President Trump issue. Congress knew about this back in June 2016. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...by-supreme-court-decision-on-immigration.html

 

[Beachguy]

Hey. Timmy... Why not run your company instead of curing the social ills of the world all on your own. You're WAY too fixated on political stuff. EVERYTHING you make is behind the rest of the tech world, and you charger too much for it.

tl;dr- Shut up and get back to work.
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Aren't all Americans illegal immigrants in a way? Why was it okay hundreds of years ago? Hypocrites.

No. And it's silly to think so.

 

[cgsnipinva]

Currently, DACA is the law. They're not citizens, but they're not criminals either.

Trump isn't interested in providing a path to citizenship.

DACA is not law. EOs are not law. You are conflating terms. EOs are only administrative directives for executing laws. Obama got cute and tried to create law through and EO. Hence the 26 states suing him and the federal court pause.

Its not law --- the people covered under DACA are still illegal immigrants who have had the execution of the law delayed. Hence the name of the EO -- DEFERRED ACTION for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). DACA did not make these people legal -- it simply deferred legal action on them because -- well they are illegal immigrants.

 

[JustMartin]

Great Tim , 250 jobs LEGAL Americans can't have !!
Every job an illegal alien takes is a a job an American can't have !!

Well - according to latest news, Apple will soon be having 250 vacancies. You going to be applying?