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This thread is about DACA. True.

Criminal percentage of illegal aliens is a relevant topic when it is discovered that DACA does have criminal elements in spite of vetting. It also alludes to many folks stance when they see or are affected by illegal alien criminal elements. This can affect the "what to do" outcome.

Still, we should focus on what to do with DACA members.
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Nice try on deflecting and trying to minimize the numbers.
Want sympathy or agreement? Try arguing that topic with the Texas government. I would say they have a very expensive illegal alien issue on their hands.

So if Texas had no illegal alien problem it wouldn't affect their criminal problem?
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Your own numbers show that it's a minor issue.

Which doesn't change the fact illegal immigrants due contribute to crime.

Never said that. Saying that the issue is overblown.
 
You have no idea of what you are talking about - Trump has clearly denounced violence - from either side. The vast majority has come from the far left - not the right. I know of what I speak as I live near Berkeley and have watched the vitriol - you simply read fake news reports and form your opinion.

Good grief. Somebody still defending Trump for all the unbelievable stuff we've had from him, the Republican Party, and all their partners in crime this year. When a president doesn't utterly and without doubt condemn and reject totally white supremacists and all the evil they represent then a line is crossed. Anybody who attempts to defend him stands on the same side of the line with him.
 
Good grief. Somebody still defending Trump for all the unbelievable stuff we've had from him, the Republican Party, and all their partners in crime this year. When a president doesn't utterly and without doubt condemn and reject totally white supremacists and all the evil they represent then a line is crossed. Anybody who attempts to defend him stands on the same side of the line with him.

You bet - and a lot more to come. The multiple videos show the black caped and masked Antifa Stormtroopers swinging clubs - you can't rewrite the video evidence.

Think more and slobber less .....
 
Your own numbers show that it's a minor issue.



Never said that. Saying that the issue is overblown.

So 38000+ criminal arrests, subsequent legal handling, and eventual incarceration of a portion of these amounts to not much. I call that a pretty significant financial hit and a serious hit where we could really use these folks on other problems. Per year just for illegal aliens in Texas.
But that's just me. :rolleyes:
 
I am sure that is exactly what these young people would like. How about making this an option for them?

Oh, and by te way, the words "President" and "Trump" next to one another cause me to fit in uncontrollable laughter to the point that it hurts, so I would kindly request that you don't put them together anymore. Thanks.
Get used to saying president Trump for the next 7 and a half years. We're making America great again.
 
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Wrong. Not saying I personally agree or disagree with him, but TC uses his lofty and influential position as head of Apple to push his SJW/political agenda.

and that is still his right. until the board of directors tells him to **** or removes him.
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Get used to saying president Trump for the next 7 and a half years. We're making America great again.

Assuming Trump is going to be re-elected is rich. The man might not even make it through the first 4 years. but even if he does there's plenty of folks that voted for him that now regret it. and plenty of folks that didn't vote that are regretting that. just like folks allegedly voted for Trump to keep Clinton out of office, folks might vote for Satan Incarnate to keep Trump from re-election.
 
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Or hey -- apply for a work visa and come in the right way. You can dream here just do it legally and don't make the same mistakes and poor choices your parents made.
As if Donald Trump won't find a way to deny visa for brown people. You haven't been paying attention, if your think fascism in America will be a minor inconvenience. Just apply for the right papers and you won't be deported to the camps? Silly. To snub the CEO of a billion dollar company, when he says "they deserve our respect as equals", is just the next step in removing layer after layer of social protection. In the end it will be legal to kill dreamers on the spot. Enjoy!
 
Assuming Trump is going to be re-elected is rich. The man might not even make it through the first 4 years. but even if he does there's plenty of folks that voted for him that now regret it. and plenty of folks that didn't vote that are regretting that. just like folks allegedly voted for Trump to keep Clinton out of office, folks might vote for Satan Incarnate to keep Trump from re-election.

Trump has done so much better than Obama and he is worlds better than Clinton. There is no doubt he will win re-election if he keeps this up. Liberals bagged that he wouldn't make it past 6 months and he is still here stronger than ever. Democrats lost everything and I'm enjoying every second of it.
 
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As if Donald Trump won't find a way to deny visa for brown people. You haven't been paying attention, if your think fascism in America will be a minor inconvenience. Just apply for the right papers and you won't be deported to the camps? Silly. To snub the CEO of a billion dollar company, when he says "they deserve our respect as equals", is just the next step in removing layer after layer of social protection. In the end it will be legal to kill dreamers on the spot. Enjoy!

This is amazing and shows how people on the left are colored by their emotions and hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with them on policy.

Did you read Trump's statement? He told Congress find a legal way to address those covered under DACA (granted no new one's are being permitted) if they don't he will address the issue. Have you been hearing the concerns of some conservatives that smell another illegitimate amnesty coming with no concessions bin increased enforcement (which should be done including modifying legal immigration to eliminate chain migration and birthright citizenship to non-citizens/residents).

Obama left a stink bomb of an idea in the living room for other people to clean up and Trump is fixing it by forcing Congress to come up with a legal and legitimate solution. And yet all you say is a Trump is a fascist.

Do you know what a fascist is? You don't. The father of fascism was a communist (Italian). His motto for fascism was everything and everyone within and through the state. Conservatives want to limit government power and devolve power through a federal system.

There is only one party in the US that wants to increase the power and scope of government. There is only one political ideology that wants to control every aspect of human life through the food you eat, your healthcare and telling you what you can spend your money on. There is only one group that uses violence to stop people from communicating political and social ideas that don't fall in line with the official state line.

Its the Democrats, its liberal progressives, and its the left wing mobs of Antifa.

Learn some history and pick up a dictionary before you start slinging words like racist and fascist around.

You might learn something.
 
Obama left a stink bomb of an idea in the living room for other people to clean up

That's really the core of the problem. DACA effectively removed any pressure for Congress to do its job five years ago, and thereby has compounded the problem as those within its scope have continued their lives here.

The entity which can address the matter legally is Congress. That's where people need to be applying their energies; contact your representatives with your thoughts.
 
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Nice try on deflecting and trying to minimize the numbers.
Want sympathy or agreement? Try arguing that topic with the Texas government.
What deflection? Again, the numbers that you just posted show that aliens are significantly less likely to be arrested than the average Texan. Context matters.

The only deflection is in the graph that you posted. Almost every other chart and table on that website uses annual numbers. But the one on aliens just happens to use a six-year total that makes the numbers look bigger.
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That's really the core of the problem. DACA effectively removed any pressure for Congress to do its job five years ago, and thereby has compounded the problem as those within its scope have continued their lives here.
So "really the core of the problem" is that Obama refused to use people's lives to pressure Congress? I disagree. I'd say the real core of the problem is partisanship in Congress has replaced rational discussion and empathy.
 
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If only that representation didn't voice so much vitriol. Guess there's a fine line between hope for a few and despair for absolutely everyone else. :(
I think its equal on both sides. Everyone has some crazy people that cling to their values.
 
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So "really the core of the problem" is that Obama refused to use people's lives to pressure Congress? I disagree. I'd say the real core of the problem is partisanship in Congress has replaced rational discussion and empathy.

Obama f'd over a bunch of people by kicking the can further down the road. DACA solved nothing. DACA fixed nothing. Short term "Rah Rah Look at Me!" thinking while making it someone else's problem in the future.

Yes, partisanship is a serious issue. On both sides of the aisle. We also see a lot of it right here.
 
Obama f'd over a bunch of people by kicking the can further down the road. DACA solved nothing. DACA fixed nothing. Short term "Rah Rah Look at Me!" thinking while making it someone else's problem in the future.

Yes, partisanship is a serious issue. On both sides of the aisle. We also see a lot of it right here.
Case in point.
 
Regarding the sections I highlighted:

As a foreigner looking you only see a small part of the picture and lack clarity.

You have no idea of what you are talking about - Trump has clearly and rapidly denounced violence - from either side. The vast majority has come from the far left - not the right. I know of what I speak as I live near Berkeley and have watched the vitriol - you simply read fake news reports and form your opinion.
He didn’t call out the nazis, but he called out left wing violence precisely. He has alt right (aka white nationalists) in his cabinet, though I don’t recall how many of those he has left now.

Patronising me doesn’t work. I’m well read on current affairs. Fake news isn’t what I consume (and as I recall it’s far right news that spreads “fake news” like Brietbart, Fox to a lesser degree, Info Wars). I get my news from first hand sources - I personally know some journalists out there, my mainstream sources are varied and known for the lack of bias - Guardian, BBC, gosh even places like Buzzfeed provide first hand experience reports which I find so strange as they’ve grown.

You already sound biased so I can’t trust what you say. I’m a floating voter, I’m politically neutral as I believe one must be.

I’m also following the adventures of a close friend that recently moved to America. He’s providing very interesting insights into the process and people there.
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its a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views, including feminism,civil rights, multiculturalism, and identity politics. The accusation of being an SJW carries implications of pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and being engaged in disingenuous social justice arguments or activism to raise personal reputation, also known as virtue signalling.
Hmm, that sounds and awful lot like “people are doing nice things and it’s embarassing me”. I’d consider people vocally against progression to be “virtue signalling” - after reading the definition of that term. I mean... why criticise someone for trying to improve something? It seems so weird.

To transfer this analogy to a household. It’d be like a father doing DIY to improve the house, but a teenage child rebelling against it saying “I don’t like those new shelves! Why haven’t you fixed XYZ problems?”. Seems rather pathetic, really. It seems to me that letting people improve the world, and encouraging others too, is a good thing to do. Especially when it comes to problems affecting women, minorities, LGBT folk etc. Don’t you think?
 
What deflection? Again, the numbers that you just posted show that aliens are significantly less likely to be arrested than the average Texan. Context matters.

The only deflection is in the graph that you posted. Almost every other chart and table on that website uses annual numbers. But the one on aliens just happens to use a six-year total that makes the numbers look bigger.

And one again you take it out of context. Illegal alien crime is a problem. This isn't a percentage of US vs. Illegals. It shows that illegal aliens contribute significantly to the criminal activities. An expensive problem both in cost and resources.
 
That is an amazing photo.

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And one again you take it out of context. Illegal alien crime is a problem. This isn't a percentage of US vs. Illegals. It shows that illegal aliens contribute significantly to the criminal activities. An expensive problem both in cost and resources.
I provided context for raw numbers (arrests). You can provide other context. I would be interested in other context. If you are going to talk about costs, how much do the contribute to the economy vs how much do they cost the economy?
 
This is the problem we have, we all jumped behind our cover and yelled at each other vs. try to solve the problem. I don't mind it some much here as it's fun to throw crap at the other side but we vote this way too.

I'm on the "left" and I don't think they need to grant them citizenship either, just give them a green card, and TIN and tie it all to being gainfully employed and out of trouble. Get in trouble or lose employment it's time to go it's clear allows people to have a back up plans, doesn't forfeit our investment, and doesn't ship kids to places they've never really been.

I agree with you 100%, but the problem is the end game for one party is to gain them the ability to vote.
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I provided context for raw numbers (arrests). You can provide other context. I would be interested in other context. If you are going to talk about costs, how much do the contribute to the economy vs how much do they cost the economy?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/3/illegal-immigrants-cost-taxpayers-750-billion-over/
 
So, an organization that favors lower immigration estimates $10 billion a year assuming no additional enforcement and ignoring economic effects of the loss of low-skilled workers. It also ignored age of arrival. The earlier they arrive, the more chance to benefit from U.S. education and therefore benefit the economy.

Meanwhile, deporting all undocumented immigrants is assumed to cost $125 million. However, some estimates put that number at $1 trillion according to your article. The higher end implying that it would be more cost effective to let current aliens stay in the U.S.
 
So, an organization that favors lower immigration estimates $10 billion a year assuming no additional enforcement and ignoring economic effects of the loss of low-skilled workers. It also ignored age of arrival. The earlier they arrive, the more chance to benefit from U.S. education and therefore benefit the economy.

Meanwhile, deporting all undocumented immigrants is assumed to cost $125 million. However, some estimates put that number at $1 trillion according to your article. The higher end implying that it would be more cost effective to let current aliens stay in the U.S.

I would put it somewhere in between but I understand why'd you want to lean more towards the $1 trillion number. The Center for American Progress puts the cost at about $239 billion.
 
I would put it somewhere in between but I understand why'd you want to lean more towards the $1 trillion number. The Center for American Progress puts the cost at about $239 billion.
I didn't lean either way. I provided both numbers listed in the article you posted.
 
I provided context for raw numbers (arrests). You can provide other context. I would be interested in other context. If you are going to talk about costs, how much do the contribute to the economy vs how much do they cost the economy?

Changing the topic again. :rolleyes:

Does criminal activities by illegal aliens in Texas cost Texas a lot of money? Yes.

Just for you, the actual cost vs. contributed cost is in serious debate. That number swings from billions contributed to tens of billions used in my residence state alone.
 
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