Tim Cook Says 250 Apple Employees Are 'Dreamers' as Donald Trump's Decision on DACA Nears

[MrX8503]

So 38000+ criminal arrests, subsequent legal handling, and eventual incarceration of a portion of these amounts to not much. I call that a pretty significant financial hit and a serious hit where we could really use these folks on other problems. Per year just for illegal aliens in Texas.
But that's just me.

Your first stat showed 2.6%, which is really low. Show me some more numbers for your second stat. A flat number doesn't tell you anything.

 

[BaldiMac]

Changing the topic again.

Does criminal activities by illegal aliens in Texas cost Texas a lot of money? Yes.

Just for you, the actual cost vs. contributed cost is in serious debate. That number swings from billions contributed to tens of billions used in my residence state alone.

You don't even remember the topic. Hint: It wasn't the cost of criminal activity.

 

[MrX8503]

That's really the core of the problem. DACA effectively removed any pressure for Congress to do its job five years ago, and thereby has compounded the problem as those within its scope have continued their lives here.

The entity which can address the matter legally is Congress. That's where people need to be applying their energies; contact your representatives with your thoughts.

That's not what I said

 

[hulugu]

So 38000+ criminal arrests, subsequent legal handling, and eventual incarceration of a portion of these amounts to not much. I call that a pretty significant financial hit and a serious hit where we could really use these folks on other problems. Per year just for illegal aliens in Texas.
But that's just me.

Yes, but that's for the total number of unauthorized immigrants in the state, but DACA recipients show far lower rates of criminality.

As the Cato Institute notes, in 2015 DREAMers had an incarceration rate of 0.98 percent, or about 14 percent lower than the native-born incarceration rate.

There are about 140,688 people with DACA status in Texas, and about 271,000 people are eligible for the program, according to the Migration Policy Institute.

Obama f'd over a bunch of people by kicking the can further down the road. DACA solved nothing. DACA fixed nothing. Short term "Rah Rah Look at Me!" thinking while making it someone else's problem in the future.

Yes, partisanship is a serious issue. On both sides of the aisle. We also see a lot of it right here.

It's worth remembering that a Republican-led filibuster sunk the last attempt at the Dream Act in 2012, and that while the Senate passed Comprehensive Immigration Reform in 2014, Republicans kept the bill from getting to the floor in the House.

So, Pres. Obama's created a stop-gap measure, and Congress should have gotten its collective act together over the last five years.

Democrats didn't push hard enough—likely comfortable with painting Republicans as the problem—but, Republicans actively thwarted the Dream Act repeatedly.

So, you're not wrong, but I think you're ignoring some important context. Obama created a legal band-aid, but Republicans refused to suture the wound.

 

[dk001]

You don't even remember the topic. Hint: It wasn't the cost of criminal activity.

hint - I didn't bring it up.
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Yes, but that's for the total number of unauthorized immigrants in the state, but DACA recipients show far lower rates of criminality.

As the Cato Institute notes, in 2015 DREAMers had an incarceration rate of 0.98 percent, or about 14 percent lower than the native-born incarceration rate.

There are about 140,688 people with DACA status in Texas, and about 271,000 people are eligible for the program, according to the Migration Policy Institute.



It's worth remembering that a Republican-led filibuster sunk the last attempt at the Dream Act in 2012, and that while the Senate passed Comprehensive Immigration Reform in 2014, Republicans kept the bill from getting to the floor in the House.

So, Pres. Obama's created a stop-gap measure, and Congress should have gotten its collective act together over the last five years.

Democrats didn't push hard enough—likely comfortable with painting Republicans as the problem—but, Republicans actively thwarted the Dream Act repeatedly.

So, you're not wrong, but I think you're ignoring some important context. Obama created a legal band-aid, but Republicans refused to suture the wound.

The original point (not mine) was that illegal aliens add to crime. Then someone else shifted that to DACA criminal activity. I provided the numbers published by Texas DPS as an example that illegal aliens add to crime. In Texas the number is significant.
DACA, if the applicants were properly vetted, should add minimally to actual crime.

 

[Apple Corps]

He didn’t call out the nazis, but he called out left wing violence precisely. He has alt right (aka white nationalists) in his cabinet, though I don’t recall how many of those he has left now.

Patronising me doesn’t work. I’m well read on current affairs. Fake news isn’t what I consume (and as I recall it’s far right news that spreads “fake news” like Brietbart, Fox to a lesser degree, Info Wars). I get my news from first hand sources - I personally know some journalists out there, my mainstream sources are varied and known for the lack of bias - Guardian, BBC, gosh even places like Buzzfeed provide first hand experience reports which I find so strange as they’ve grown.

You already sound biased so I can’t trust what you say. I’m a floating voter, I’m politically neutral as I believe one must be.

I’m also following the adventures of a close friend that recently moved to America. He’s providing very interesting insights into the process and people there.
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Hmm, that sounds and awful lot like “people are doing nice things and it’s embarassing me”. I’d consider people vocally against progression to be “virtue signalling” - after reading the definition of that term. I mean... why criticise someone for trying to improve something? It seems so weird.

To transfer this analogy to a household. It’d be like a father doing DIY to improve the house, but a teenage child rebelling against it saying “I don’t like those new shelves! Why haven’t you fixed XYZ problems?”. Seems rather pathetic, really. It seems to me that letting people improve the world, and encouraging others too, is a good thing to do. Especially when it comes to problems affecting women, minorities, LGBT folk etc. Don’t you think?

Patronizing you is the opposite of what I said or think. And you are not well read - or perhaps well read is all you are - not the same as experiencing the American political reality - you know little of what you are spouting off about in America. Perhaps you would be better served to focus your energy fighting Brexit (as your signature indicates) instead of pontificating so much about American politics. We kicked your ass out of the Colonies in 1776 for good reason.

 

[MrX8503]

hint - I didn't bring it up.
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The original point (not mine) was that illegal aliens add to crime. Then someone else shifted that to DACA criminal activity. I provided the numbers published by Texas DPS as an example that illegal aliens add to crime. In Texas the number is significant.
DACA, if the applicants were properly vetted, should add minimally to actual crime.

The original point was that immigrants significantly raising our crime is overblown. Your numbers only proved my point.

 

[dk001]

The original point was that immigrants significantly raising our crime is overblown. Your numbers only proved my point.

They proved the opposite. Take illegal alien out of the picture (make them vanish) and the number of crimes drop significantly. You are playing the percentage game and claiming it means all is well.
Take that 38,000+ annually away from Texas. Unless you feel that being a victim of one of those is no big deal. Every crime by an illegal alien is one that would not have occurred if we didn't have the illegal alien issue. Play the numbers game all you want. Arrests, prosecutions, and incarcerations for illegal aliens is costly.

 

[0388631]

The only problem with that is we've had a problem with illegals from Mexico since we set up our borders. In other words, we truly don't know if crime will drop, because we've always had that problem. Though, I'd go further and say we likely had more illegals in the early days than we do now. As the US Gov did a few max exodus of illegals then.

 

[dk001]

The only problem with that is we've had a problem with illegals from Mexico since we set up our borders. In other words, we truly don't know if crime will drop, because we've always had that problem. Though, I'd go further and say we likely had more illegals in the early days than we do now. As the US Gov did a few max exodus of illegals then.

We know it would drop. The number of crimes. Percentage is a kinda sorta unknown.

 

[0388631]

We know it would drop. The number of crimes. Percentage is a kinda sorta unknown.

That's a given... It wouldn't eliminate it, which is what some people on the very far-right believe. I'm not suggesting you're one of them. You're far too human for that.

 

[Gudi]

Did you read Trump's statement?

Read a statement, can't he tweet? Where's the fun without the voice of my friend Donnie.

He told Congress find a legal way to address those covered under DACA (granted no new one's are being permitted) if they don't he will address the issue.

He's a liar with no interest in legal ways. All he cares about is a photo op with Tim Cook.

"Mission Accomplished"​

Obama left a stink bomb of an idea in the living room for other people to clean up and Trump is fixing it by forcing Congress to come up with a legal and legitimate solution. And yet all you say is a Trump is a fascist.

Don't worry Congress will find a way to kill all Mexicans, it's called the Nuremberg Laws. Fascist never had a problem with legalizing their actions.

The father of fascism was a communist (Italian). His motto for fascism was everything and everyone within and through the state. Conservatives want to limit government power and devolve power through a federal system. There is only one political ideology that wants to control every aspect of human life through the food you eat, your healthcare and telling you what you can spend your money on. There is only one group that uses violence to stop people from communicating political and social ideas that don't fall in line with the official state line. Its the Democrats, its liberal progressives, and its the left wing mobs of Antifa.

Nothing better than a false dichotomy to lead people to the wrong conclusion. In this case, Conservatices can't be fascist, because Democrats are fascist and Conservatives are the opposite. Q.E.D.

 

[Technarchy]

We should not have a pandering immigration policy that caters to Mexicans and South Americans.

We should have a fair and equal application process where we choose and reject who enters our country.

Squatting is not an immigration policy.

 

[cgsnipinva]

Yes, but that's for the total number of unauthorized immigrants in the state, but DACA recipients show far lower rates of criminality.

As the Cato Institute notes, in 2015 DREAMers had an incarceration rate of 0.98 percent, or about 14 percent lower than the native-born incarceration rate.

There are about 140,688 people with DACA status in Texas, and about 271,000 people are eligible for the program, according to the Migration Policy Institute.



It's worth remembering that a Republican-led filibuster sunk the last attempt at the Dream Act in 2012, and that while the Senate passed Comprehensive Immigration Reform in 2014, Republicans kept the bill from getting to the floor in the House.

So, Pres. Obama's created a stop-gap measure, and Congress should have gotten its collective act together over the last five years.

Democrats didn't push hard enough—likely comfortable with painting Republicans as the problem—but, Republicans actively thwarted the Dream Act repeatedly.

So, you're not wrong, but I think you're ignoring some important context. Obama created a legal band-aid, but Republicans refused to suture the wound.

The problem is -- no one wants amnesty. it is not deserved. The interests of American citizens must be considered first and foremost before we ever entertain the needs and interests of foreigners.
[doublepost=1504785789][/doublepost]Now that DACA is on its deathbed it is interesting to hear the sense of entitlement and to be honest -- the borderline racism -- of illegals. There was a protest at the white house and reporters asked if Congress should negotiate and provide compromises to keep DACA. Almost all of them said - No -- We should not limit immigration because they side with "their people" as opposed to the American citizen. For all the claims of how the right is racist -- we ignore the implied racism in their statements. They don't care if they are here illegally -- they believe it is their "right" and the interests of "their people" should override the valid and legitimate interests of the American citizen.

There believe the US should double legal immigration rates to meet the needs of those overseas. Really? I believe that would have ZERO support in the US.

Newsflash - We are a sovereign country --- non-citizens have no say in policy. Illegals have no legal, ethical or moral standing to make demands. So pack your bags folks and find a plane.
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https://twitter.com/NeilMunroDC?ref...reject-compromise-demand-amnesty-immigration/


Adios Muchachas!!!!!

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Read a statement, can't he tweet? Where's the fun without the voice of my friend Donnie.
He's a liar with no interest in legal ways. All he cares about is a photo op with Tim Cock.

"Mission Accomplished"​

Don't worry Congress will find a way to kill all Mexicans, it's called the Nuremberg Laws. Fascist never had a problem with legalizing their actions.
Nothing better than a false dichotomy to lead people to the wrong conclusion. In this case, Conservatices can't be fascist, because Democrats are fascist and Conservatives are the opposite. Q.E.D.
When fascism comes to America it will be called americanism. With this in mind, you are an american.

You are really not here with us in reality are you?
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It's sad that conservatives don't think America is great.

America is great -- as founded and with the Constitution -- It is liberal progressives who have taught our younger generation to hate America, think everything American is evil and racist, burn the flag, ignore the Constitution and sow social discord.

It is the left who hates America.

When we say MAGA -- we mean repair the damage that the evil, fascist left wing has done in the past 40 years.

 

[wigby]

The brand had nothing to do with politics until Tim took over, so I disagree with your assertion that the brand is "full of liberal values". Steve Jobs kept his focus on making great products, Tim Cooks focus is clearly split, as a fellow Apple fan, this should bother you as well.

Regardless, I don't want to pick a phone based on the CEO's political position and they shouldn't limit their brand to one side of the aisle either.

 

[eatrains]

The problem is -- no one wants amnesty. it is not deserved. The interests of American citizens must be considered first and foremost before we ever entertain the needs and interests of foreigners.
[doublepost=1504785789][/doublepost]Now that DACA is on its deathbed it is interesting to hear the sense of entitlement and to be honest -- the borderline racism -- of illegals. There was a protest at the white house and reporters asked if Congress should negotiate and provide compromises to keep DACA. Almost all of them said - No -- We should not limit immigration because they side with "their people" as opposed to the American citizen. For all the claims of how the right is racist -- we ignore the implied racism in their statements. They don't care if they are here illegally -- they believe it is their "right" and the interests of "their people" should override the valid and legitimate interests of the American citizen.

There believe the US should double legal immigration rates to meet the needs of those overseas. Really? I believe that would have ZERO support in the US.

Newsflash - We are a sovereign country --- non-citizens have no say in policy. Illegals have no legal, ethical or moral standing to make demands. So pack your bags folks and find a plane.
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https://twitter.com/NeilMunroDC?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/06/daca-illegals-reject-compromise-demand-amnesty-immigration/


Adios Muchachas!!!!!

[doublepost=1504785828][/doublepost]

You are really not here with us in reality are you?
[doublepost=1504785980][/doublepost]

America is great -- as founded and with the Constitution -- It is liberal progressives who have taught our younger generation to hate America, think everything American is evil and racist, burn the flag, ignore the Constitution and sow social discord.

It is the left who hates America.

When we say MAGA -- we mean repair the damage that the evil, fascist left wing has done in the past 40 years.

Real Americans think America is great. You don't.

 

[cgsnipinva]

Real Americans think America is great. You don't.

Wrong again that is your projection sir. I love America -- I am related to two founding fathers. What makes America great is what make liberals hate it:

1.) Individual rights
2.) Limited Government (no the federal government has no place in education (Dept of Ed founded in 1979), Healthcare, or providing welfare (state level issue).
3.) Property Rights

America is a nation founded on the philosophical cream of western civilization.

It's awesome.


That is why I will fight the left to the end to prevent them from destroying it.
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Oh Good Lord --- Liberal Arts DOES NOT MEAN Liberal.

 

[eatrains]

Wrong again that is your projection sir. I love America -- I am related to two founding fathers. What makes America great is what make liberals hate it:

1.) Individual rights
2.) Limited Government (no the federal government has no place in education (Dept of Ed founded in 1979), Healthcare, or providing welfare (state level issue).
3.) Property Rights

America is a nation founded on the philosophical cream of western civilization.

It's awesome.


That is why I will fight the left to the end to prevent them from destroying it.
[doublepost=1504812562][/doublepost]


Oh Good Lord --- Liberal Arts DOES NOT MEAN Liberal.

You want to Make America Great Again, which means you don't think it's great. Just admit that you're unpatriotic and hate the United States. No one believes your little charade.

 

[cgsnipinva]

You want to Make America Great Again, which means you don't think it's great. Just admit that you're unpatriotic and hate the United States. No one believes your little charade.

No you cut your charade -- you hate the United States thats why you and Obama and his ilk wanted to "transform it".

You love illegal immigrants and spit on and denigrate American citizens -- the owners of the country you claim to love.

My family helped found this nation, defended this nation, my oldest son serves as an officer in the US Army.

My father volunteered for Vietnam when lessor liberal men like you deserted the country.

You don't have the right or the position or authority to make statements like that to me.


You simply don't have what it takes sir.

 

[1applerules1]

It's sad that conservatives don't think America is great.

It's not, we have terrible economic growth, our immigration was a mess, illegals everywhere. Democrats came along and plunged us into the worst debt in US history. I'm so glad Trump won to undo what obama screwed up. Which is just about everything.
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You want to Make America Great Again, which means you don't think it's great. Just admit that you're unpatriotic and hate the United States. No one believes your little charade.

Real Americans actually voted democratic control out of all the branches. They couldn't run the country at all. So we fixed that on Nov 8

 

[BaldiMac]

It's not, we have terrible economic growth, our immigration was a mess, illegals everywhere. Democrats came along and plunged us into the worst debt in US history.

Of course, the only president to not plunge us into the worst debt in US history over the last 40 years was a Democrat. Obama signed every border security funding bill that Republicans put on his desk and deported more people that any other president. And we have the longest period of job growth ever.

But you go on with your myopic rant.

 

[0388631]

You don't have the right or the position or authority to make statements like that to me.

Neither do you to him or her. It's great your family has bloodlines running to the founders and that your father volunteered during Vietnam, or that your son is an officer. But at the end of the day, they were all expendable human beings. And that really doesn't matter.

Illegals are cheap labor in the fields. That's why corporate America loves them.

 

[MrX8503]

They proved the opposite. Take illegal alien out of the picture (make them vanish) and the number of crimes drop significantly. You are playing the percentage game and claiming it means all is well.
Take that 38,000+ annually away from Texas. Unless you feel that being a victim of one of those is no big deal. Every crime by an illegal alien is one that would not have occurred if we didn't have the illegal alien issue. Play the numbers game all you want. Arrests, prosecutions, and incarcerations for illegal aliens is costly.

Percentages is how analyzing stats work. That's how we determine the rate.

If I take $1000 from a random person's account, is that a lot of money to them?

America is great -- as founded and with the Constitution -- It is liberal progressives who have taught our younger generation to hate America, think everything American is evil and racist, burn the flag, ignore the Constitution and sow social discord.

It is the left who hates America.

Did the left fly Nazi flags? It was the right that murdered an American with his car. From my point of view, that terrorist hates America.

The truth is everyone ignores the Constitution when it's convenient for them. Whether that be the left or right.

No you cut your charade -- you hate the United States thats why you and Obama and his ilk wanted to "transform it".

You love illegal immigrants and spit on and denigrate American citizens -- the owners of the country you claim to love.

My family helped found this nation, defended this nation, my oldest son serves as an officer in the US Army.

My father volunteered for Vietnam when lessor liberal men like you deserted the country.

You don't have the right or the position or authority to make statements like that to me.


You simply don't have what it takes sir.

Thank you for your son's service. I don't understand why the need for divisiveness. I believe in helping others as long as they're good people. Their background, race, beliefs, or religion, is the least of my worries.

 

[eatrains]

No you cut your charade -- you hate the United States thats why you and Obama and his ilk wanted to "transform it".

You love illegal immigrants and spit on and denigrate American citizens -- the owners of the country you claim to love.

My family helped found this nation, defended this nation, my oldest son serves as an officer in the US Army.

My father volunteered for Vietnam when lessor liberal men like you deserted the country.

You don't have the right or the position or authority to make statements like that to me.


You simply don't have what it takes sir.

Please keep whining about how much you hate the country.
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It's not, we have terrible economic growth, our immigration was a mess, illegals everywhere. Democrats came along and plunged us into the worst debt in US history. I'm so glad Trump won to undo what obama screwed up. Which is just about everything.
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Real Americans actually voted democratic control out of all the branches. They couldn't run the country at all. So we fixed that on Nov 8

I know you won't admit it, but America is already great.

I'll never understand how conservatives can be so unpatriotic toward a country they claim to love. I guess it's all an act.

 

[dk001]

Percentages is how analyzing stats work. That's how we determine the rate.

If I take $1000 from a random person's account, is that a lot of money to them?

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There's lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The topic was not "what percentage", rather "do illegal aliens add to the number of criminal acts".

Very basic: If there were no illegal aliens, would the number of crimes, arrests, prosecutions, and incarcerations decrease?
Answer: Yes. In Texas it would be significantly.