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So now it’s racist to say you never know what you’re gonna get shopping at flea markets. Hahahaha. Jesus. Ironically, you characterized him comparing to a flea market as a lower standard. :)
Nice try, but we all know exactly what Apple meant with that statement.
 
You know, if they have actually done it like they said, I would have given them benefits of doubt. But right now it is clearly not good enough. Patrick McGee from Financial Times had a whole twitter thread on it.


I think since Steve Jobs passed away no one was being the yard stick for quality in user experience. So for the easy stuff that are measurable like Hardware performance, those continue to innovate. Other thing like Keyboard, Mac Direction, UI, Services like App Store, no one bothered to touch it.
Just been reading his comments. Pretty damning indictment of the AppStore review process. Even Apple’s own managers think the review process is a joke.
 
If Apple would have been honest and took a 30% cut right from the beginning, they wouldn't be in so much trouble now.
But since they attracted developers with a much lower cut and later raised it to 30%, Apple deserves all of this.
 
Visa and MasterCard Do not store promote and sell your product, let alone give you access to hundreds of millions of potential customers.
Ya, they do though. Merchants use Visa and Mastercard for access to their customer base. They have become mostly ubiquitous now, but it used to be that stores had one or the other (like Costco still does) or not at all (like McDonalds and Walmart. In the end they became a good substitute for cash and there is a value prop for retailers going through those platforms. This is not to say that the app store isn't so much more than that, because it is.
 
I can't speak for the US flea market situation, but in many countries people of all races and economic levels visit flea markets for a variety of reasons: fun, food, to see what is on offer, to chat with vendors and fellow attendees, to perhaps purchase something interesting, to barter, to get out of the house etc.
 
Let's be clear here, the reason Epic is fighting this battle is less about fortnite, in my opinion, and more likely because they want to be able to open up their Epic store on other platforms. They really want to compete with Apple (and Google) on the platforms they created.

Yes, they are trying to change their business model by using their product networks to bundle services into their own stores.

I wished EPIC just focused on games, first because they really screwed their customers over with how they left apple, and also because i don't need more financial services, particularly from Tencent/these yahoos.
 
Yeah, agree with others that Apple's choice of term to describe a lower-quality App Store perpetuates racist and ethnocentrist ideologies. The fact that no one in marketing/legal caught this illustrates the ubiquity of implicit bias.

Bad form, Apple.

Flea = small flightless insects that survive as external parasites of mammals and birds by sucking their blood.

In Germanic speaking countries they use a word for a small bloodsucking flightless insect which survives as a parasite on mammals and birds such as "Flohmarket" (German), "Loppmarknad" (Swedish), "Loppemarked" (Norwegian/Danish).

In Australia it is called "trash and treasure markets".

The name likely came from the fleas you could find in old furniture sold at a .... flea market.
 
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I remember when you could download games on iOS with no dlc or ads. Apple already brought down the experience just to make more profits. This time it’s mostly about keeping people from making money that they can’t skim from the top of.
 
Speaking as a dev or observer. And if dev, let's say apple reduced the commission rates by 15%, what difference in your income would it make and would you pass on the savings to your customers.
Or you could you the money to improve the app or hire additional developer(s). What's Apple going to do with it? Buy back more stock? Dividends? Pile it on top of the mountain of money they have?
 
A better analogy is that the app store is a shopping mall. The shopping mall attracts a lot of consumers and each developer pays for that premium. If they don't like it, they can establish their own independent stores somewhere.
 
What a stupid thing to say. People have A LOT of SECURE options when purchasing from the internet. People spend billions (probably trillions!) in e-commerce and it works just fine.
 
You are completely lacking ANY business sense. Payment companies are ONLY involved in moving money. They did not build an entire eco-system, build an entire store front, market the crap out of your store for you, continually improve the most dominant store for your product that exists, etc. etc. Do you really think ANY STORE is in the business of existing at all with less than a 30% cut of Retail? LOL. Try to convince Walmart to sell that cheap.

Yes, grocery stores (Doesn't Walmart sell groceries?). They operate on thin margins... usually 2% to 3%.


The same goes for gas stations where margins are around 2%


You know who also has thin margins? Amazon. It's Amazon's AWS division which generates the bulk of Amazon's profits, not their retail division.


Macy's operating margin is just over 6%. In recently reporting what was widely seen as a blowout quarter, Amazon is just now approaching a whopping 2% in its non-Amazon Web Services business.



Additionally, pay attention before posting. He did not say a simple third-party payment system. It is not about options. The developers that are complaining want every individual developer to have payments go directly to them.

You mean like how when purchases made through Amazon, Walmart, Target, Uber, et al apps the payment goes directly to the company/developer?


That would be like a paper clip manufacturer expecting WalMart to have separate info in the system to pay money directly from the consumer to the manufacturer every time paper clips (or candy bars, or lawn mowers, etc) are purchased. NO ONE does that. That is beyond stupid.
:rolleyes: That's not how it works with apps.
 
Or you could you the money to improve the app or hire additional developer(s). What's Apple going to do with it? Buy back more stock? Dividends? Pile it on top of the mountain of money they have?
I guess basically as an observer, who has an opinion on the matter that Apple should earn less because you said so?

But it's my opinion the app store would go south, revenues from apps would decrease, malware incidents would be up if some of the changes suggested by the observers came to pass.
 
Tu put things in perspective, online payment processors charge around 3-5% per transaction; Apple charges 30%. 10 TIMES more than the industry standard!
 
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Having a 3rd party payment would be an additional payment option, Tim. An option. You know what "option" means, Tim?

Having a 3rd party payment option wouldn't make the App Store a flea market... no more so than a brick and mortar store having payment options aside from cash.

It would not be one store with several payment options. It would become many stores and each store would have one or more payment options. Very much like a flea market or a mall.

Epic could setup their own application store which was the only place to get Epic apps. Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Adobe, Spotify could do the same for their apps. Trump could set up a MAGA store where only apps approved by him would be allowed.

And the important thing here is that the App Store wouldn't necessary have those apps.
 
Just been reading his comments. Pretty damning indictment of the AppStore review process. Even Apple’s own managers think the review process is a joke.
Apple may regret the Epic lawsuit they instituted. Many of us have known the app review process is a joke and cursory. Now the whole world knows and it's at odds with Tim's glowing talk about the security of the App Store.
 
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