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Amazon listing the Mac Pro as "Discontinued by Manufacturer" completely spells out "The End" of Apple support for anything-even-half-resembling a workstation class "Mac" computer.

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-MD878LL-Desktop-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B00747Y9C2

I suspect Tim Cook's support for Macs is limited to computers with built-in screens - for at least a few years until their est. 12% annual revenue contribution drops down to 3~5%
 
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That was 2 years ago... oh god.

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No, that is obvious. If someone says "I run a business where I need to transcode huge files and am limited right now because there are no Apple machines that have the power." then I would say "you've got a valid gripe."

What 95% of the people on here do with their computers is not that, and the current hardware is overkill for what they do right now. (yes I pulled that number out of my ***)

I have two Mac Pros and Two Retina iMacs, and in no way do I use all the power in them, which is why I don't attack Apple even though I would love something cool next month that made me want to buy it.

You're right, I don't think most people need cutting edge computers. But Apple does not adjust prices. My 2011 MBP doesn't feel slow, but I wouldn't pay 2000+ for 5 year old tech.

If Apple allowed running OS X on comparable PC hardware it would be the end of Apple computers. Hell, I would pay just to run OS X in a VM on a PC. Apple of course knows this.
 
As apple continues to stall for time on Mac product refreshes, I wonder if they realize rather that Mac consumers and professionals are tired for the Apple Mac hobby approach.

mac products need a refresh at least yearly like the IOS products and Etc.

Apple is driving away their customers
Frankly, Tim Cook doesn't carer about the customers. He only cares about bilking the iToy fans out of their money each year with a new gee-gaw. The professional level customers that supported Apple in their darkest days are now being ignored now that they have served their purpose.
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You're right, I don't think most people need cutting edge computers. But Apple does not adjust prices. My 2011 MBP doesn't feel slow, but I wouldn't pay 2000+ for 5 year old tech.

If Apple allowed running OS X on comparable PC hardware it would be the end of Apple computers. Hell, I would pay just to run OS X in a VM on a PC. Apple of course knows this.
They still price their hardware as if it was still the mid-90's when the company was struggling and had to over-price just to stay afloat.
Pricing the tech the same way today when they are one of the (if not the) biggest tech company on the planet, is just a blatant insult.
 
I can't do what I do on an iMac - too few cores, ****** gpu & quite frankly, the iMac would melt under a heavy render load. I have a large stack of Apple products that died for Sir Idiot Boy's failure to grasp the concept of heat dissipation.

It wouldn't melt or any other nonsense. They are designed to dissipate heat when run at maximum load (100% CPU) and will throttle up and down accordingly as load needs. Run them too hot and they will shut down. Do that too many times and something will give but it's most likely the HD and not the CPU or memory.

Used to run some of the distributed computing stuff back in the day (SETI@Home, Distributed.net, etc.) 100% CPU load for days/weeks/months on end. PC or Mac they all did just fine and lived long productive lives. The load is just lots of math, just like your precious 3d renders.
 
Challenge accepted.

I do 3d art. Am I a "professional"? No, I am a hobbyist.

My entire workflow is built around the number of cores & the amount of ram available. None of this software is very expensive, and apparently most folks here would be amazed at how many people use this stuff (with the exception of Zbrush)

Zbrush-Poser-LuxRender-Vue-Photoshop Elements.

I can't do what I do on an iMac - too few cores, ****** gpu & quite frankly, the iMac would melt under a heavy render load. I have a large stack of Apple products that died for Sir Idiot Boy's failure to grasp the concept of heat dissipation.

I can't do it with an iCan either - It is a TCO fail.

Everything that Sir Idiot Boy removed would have to be replaced. Perhaps some of you can live with 1 or 2 drives attached to the iCan. I can't.

As a minimum 2 4 bay external enclosures (for the data & iTunes HDs), and an external Thunderbolt dock (so I could actually connect all of the peripherals that I use on at least a weekly basis).

Apple wants you to buy dongles to attach more storage. I'm not joking. I swear Apple hates ports just like they hated multi-buttoned mice.

(I want to punch whoever approved the Macbook's ultra shallow keyboard. It feels like a damn toy. I fear the next MBP will get the same treatment because THIN!!!!!!!)
 
I would love to see an update to the iMac and also an iMac without the monitor. Our Mac Pro 3,1 is getting little long in the tooth, will not be supported by Sierra and I find it hard to justify getting a new Mac Pro. The iMacs are not exactly upgradable either so a mini tower that can be easily upgraded and can run Sierra would be really appreciated.
 
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It wouldn't melt or any other nonsense. They are designed to dissipate heat when run at maximum load (100% CPU) and will throttle up and down accordingly as load needs. Run them too hot and they will shut down. Do that too many times and something will give but it's most likely the HD and not the CPU or memory.

Used to run some of the distributed computing stuff back in the day (SETI@Home, Distributed.net, etc.) 100% CPU load for days/weeks/months on end. PC or Mac they all did just fine and lived long productive lives. The load is just lots of math, just like your precious 3d renders.
*********. My loaded iMac burned up the gpu. they ran too hot. period. Well known for doing that. The new thin iMacs do not suffer this problem in my experience.
 
It wouldn't melt or any other nonsense. They are designed to dissipate heat when run at maximum load (100% CPU) and will throttle up and down accordingly as load needs. Run them too hot and they will shut down. Do that too many times and something will give but it's most likely the HD and not the CPU or memory.

Used to run some of the distributed computing stuff back in the day (SETI@Home, Distributed.net, etc.) 100% CPU load for days/weeks/months on end. PC or Mac they all did just fine and lived long productive lives. The load is just lots of math, just like your precious 3d renders.
from the iMac's track record it is the graphics card that dies first from the excess heat. Look at how many 2009-2012 iMacs that have had graphics card issues.
 
Amazon listing the Mac Pro as "Discontinued by Manufacturer" completely spells out "The End" of Apple support for anything-even-half-resembling a workstation class "Mac" computer.

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-MD878LL-Desktop-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B00747Y9C2

I suspect Tim Cook's support for Macs is limited to computers with built-in screens - for at least a few years until their est. 12% annual revenue contribution drops down to 3~5%

I hope you are wrong. Our Mac Pro is getting old and I want a computer that can easily be upgraded but do not want a new Mac Pro. Not thrilled about buying an iMac as it is limited in storage and memory.
 
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I hope you are wrong. Our Mac Pro is getting old and I want a computer that can easily be upgraded but do not want a new Mac Pro. Not thrilled about buying an iMac as it is limited in storage and memory.
The iMac supports 64 GB of memory, how much do you need? Likewise TB supports an unlimited amount of storage.
 
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Honestly I'd rather have a "low powered" CPU which is much better than the current MBP line (all things considered).

If Apple releases the next gen MBP with Skylake it means that again we will be paying premium for outdated hardware, and at this pace the Kaby Lake MBPs will be released when the 8th gen Intel processors are released.

Ok... So given the choices today (MacBook Pro worthy Kaby Lake cpus won''t be available until next year), in a MacBook Pro, you'd rather have Intel's just-announced m-series low-power Kaby Lake cpu and suffer poorer performance over a recently released higher power dissipation Skylake cpu worthy of putting in a MBP?

Seems like you are more into labels (Kaby Lake sounds better than Skylake?) rather than actual performance.
 
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New Macs will come, there are too many rumors right now to deny this.

However, the bestter question is: Would it come with a headphone jack?

The question if I can use my iPhone headset with my bew Macbook or if they become incompatible is a nice one. Also how Apple decides how they make a user fiendly mix of Lightning Ports and USB-C Ports in the new Macbook. When we assume that they keep USB (otherwise the charging cable of the iPhone 7 would become useless) they could end up with at leadt three different ports (Lightning, USB-C, USB) on the new Macbooks. That sounds a bit messy for Apple.
 
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