Eh at this stage in the game I don't think folks are seriously buying Apple gear cause they can run Windows on it. Besides adding in x86 compatibility or emulation would be too slow at this point.
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Tim Cook Says Apple Won't Create 'Converged' Mac and iPad
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Nope. Call me old fashion, but I don't mind having two different devices for this. I really don't want to haul around my work laptop, or parts of it, for the things I do with my iPad.
By having the devices separate too, I can upgrade what's most important to me at the time. My iPad is still an iPad2. Works great for what we use it for. My laptop is a fairly beefed up recent Macbook Pro. I like knowing I can choose which one I'll upgrade next.
You just pulled that quote out of your ass.
There is ZERO solid evidence hybrid Windows devices are taking share from iPad. If anything iPad sales are declining because they grew really fast to being with (Apple's fastest growing product ever) and they're good enough for what people are doing with them so they don't feel the need to replace. And yes I'm sure 6 Plus/6S Plus took some sales from iPad but I doubt Apple cares about self cannibalization.
People buy what suits their needs. Mac OS and iOS on their respective devices do what they do best. I also believe merging the two OS will be a disaster. The surface book is hard proof of this. How many years has the surface book been around and it's still not a better tablet than the iPad. The tablet side is just awful!
I have been using Mac OS since 2007 and have recently ditched my MacBook Pro in favor of an iPad pro because it suits my needs. I find it easier to carry around and read my text books and document while in class, surf the web and consume photos or videos, as well as basic editing.
Apple is only trying to protect its user experience by keeping both OS independent of each other. At the same time they've been doing a great job of integrating cross platform features between the two OS.
And one should realize that Apple, as a single vendor, has sold more iPad's in 2015 than the sum total of the hybrid market, by a considerable amount.
Be fair. Sometimes it can go as long as 3 hours before running out of battery life.
I don't get it, either. What is it about using a mouse or touchpad that ISN'T "touch" already -- without the fingerprints on the screen? Plus, your movements are confined to one little space, instead of having to reach all over the display to poke the close button in one corner of the screen and the OK button in the opposite corner, the Edit button in another corner, etc. like in iOS. And to top it off the batteries in the laptops are now so small that if you had to touch the display you'd have to use your other hand to keep from pushing the laptop off your lap or across the table.
If excellent converged devices have not existed yet due to technical limitations why would anyone want Apple to board that train to Fail-Town? How much battery does the Surface Book have when detached from its keyboard? Like 3 hours? Fail. How many touch optimize apps exist? Fail again. Just because you like a concept doesn't mean you should do it before the tech is there. One day a tablet will replace all computers. Apple is correct about the future of the iPad. It will cannibalize all laptops and desktops. It will just take time for the tech to mature. Don't rush it.
With Apple having become the behemoth it now is, Tim Cook (as CEO), has to serve his masters - the shareholders - in ways that Steve Jobs never did. With the iPhone making up 2/3 of Apple's income/profits (I think my figures are right) their stock in in a precarious spot if demand softens as a continuing result of mobile handset commoditization and the result of carriers subsidizing less and less.
I agree yo don't buy a Mac to run Windows but it is useful to be able to run some programs in a VM. I occasional fire up Parallels to test a document in Vision or access a website that only works in IE. Keeping compatibility would likely be a selling point in business apricots where a Windows only program is mission critical.
I was think more along the lines that *IF* Apple was thinking of moving the the ARM platform across the entire Mac line they could, since they control the architecture, look at adding in what is needed for reasonable x86 emulation. Not games, but non-graphics intense business applications. That's a big if, however; but one I'd entertain as a possibility simply given Apple's seeming desire to control all aspects of the Apple ecosystem and the core processor for the Mac line is one area they are dependent on an outside company for the roadmap.
I think we're heading for a single powerful ARM-based OS that can run on all devices: phones, tablets, laptops, and desktops. Apple can drop Intel and take full control of developments.
The claim that ARM chips can't match or beat x86 chips is nonsense. Apple doesn't need years to catch up: the know-how and technology exists today. Just a matter of technical refinement and commercial judgement.
Spent the last week on a series of lectures in London. Saw thousands of students and walked past a ton of coffee shops and eateries where people were pounding away at their devices. Most people were using laptops or phones. Only saw a small number of tablets. Of the laptops, phones, and tablets, virtually all of them were Apple devices. Perhaps ten Windows laptops at most. There is no meaningful future for Windows products.
For me, a laptop and phone are the perfect working combo. I have an iPad, but won't replace it when it dies. I don't care if the laptop runs OS X or iOS, I just want the laptop form factor and the functionality of OS X. If iOS can be made to match OS X, that'll be fine by me. Don't want legacy x86 software, and certainly no need or desire to ever run Windows or Office.
Don't want a touchscreen device with an add-on keyboard. If using the device like a laptop, navigation is too hard and slow without a trackpad or mouse; and the screen is a pain to use ergonomically, and a pain to see with all the finger smudges.
A tablet with a keyboard is a sudo-laptop. iPads (and especially iPad Pros) are already a two-in-one converged devices: with keyboards, they are sudo-laptops; and without a keyboards, they are tablets.
Maybe OS X and iOS won't be converged as such. Perhaps one will be dropped entirely, or they will both be replaced with a new hybrid iOSX.
The claim that ARM chips can't match or beat x86 chips is nonsense. Apple doesn't need years to catch up: the know-how and technology exists today. Just a matter of technical refinement and commercial judgement.
Spent the last week on a series of lectures in London. Saw thousands of students and walked past a ton of coffee shops and eateries where people were pounding away at their devices. Most people were using laptops or phones. Only saw a small number of tablets. Of the laptops, phones, and tablets, virtually all of them were Apple devices. Perhaps ten Windows laptops at most. There is no meaningful future for Windows products.
For me, a laptop and phone are the perfect working combo. I have an iPad, but won't replace it when it dies. I don't care if the laptop runs OS X or iOS, I just want the laptop form factor and the functionality of OS X. If iOS can be made to match OS X, that'll be fine by me. Don't want legacy x86 software, and certainly no need or desire to ever run Windows or Office.
Don't want a touchscreen device with an add-on keyboard. If using the device like a laptop, navigation is too hard and slow without a trackpad or mouse; and the screen is a pain to use ergonomically, and a pain to see with all the finger smudges.
A tablet with a keyboard is a sudo-laptop. iPads (and especially iPad Pros) are already a two-in-one converged devices: with keyboards, they are sudo-laptops; and without a keyboards, they are tablets.
Maybe OS X and iOS won't be converged as such. Perhaps one will be dropped entirely, or they will both be replaced with a new hybrid iOSX.
And their stock price reflects that. Nice deflection. But we're talking about market demand and what users want. They have stopped buying iPads and buying hybrids instead. That has Apple worried and why the IPP exists.
We’re not going to "converge" the Mac and iPad because we want all your money.
I used to be in the "don't understand a touchscreen on a laptop" camp. Then, I started to use my Surface Pro 3. Had to ditch it for a while because I needed a laptop with a dGPU for some graphics programming I do in my consulting business. I got a Quad Core i7 with a Quadro GPU, but the laptop didn't have a touchscreen.
I was boggled at how often I would want to scroll or pinch zoom with the touchscreen, it just is more natural sometimes.
What Apple doesn't realize is that there are a LOT of younger people who are growing up with iPads and iPhones who suddenly think everything needs to be touch friendly.
My little 5 year old touches everything, and a computer with just a mouse and a keyboard is suddenly alien to him. But my Windows 10 machines (with touchscreens) are easy for him to adapt to. It's been interesting watching him as opposed to my older children.
By making the touch devices so ubiquitous, Apple might have created an interesting problem.
I was boggled at how often I would want to scroll or pinch zoom with the touchscreen, it just is more natural sometimes.
What Apple doesn't realize is that there are a LOT of younger people who are growing up with iPads and iPhones who suddenly think everything needs to be touch friendly.
My little 5 year old touches everything, and a computer with just a mouse and a keyboard is suddenly alien to him. But my Windows 10 machines (with touchscreens) are easy for him to adapt to. It's been interesting watching him as opposed to my older children.
By making the touch devices so ubiquitous, Apple might have created an interesting problem.
Really, the biggest advantage of the Surface Book is that you can use the pen and touch for situations where they're better put to use. True, the SB's upper section does have pretty dismal battery life by itself. But flip it around, and close the clamshell, and you have an excellent art/photo editing machine at your disposal without any sacrifices.
Considering that this addresses the needs of a demographic that Apple already appeals to, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually court it.
I can agree, but the cost can be significant. Especially when you are factoring in the iPad Pro, as per this discussion. You could do the same with the phone without the iPad. Just not the same user experience.
Exactly, Apple seems to be the only one making the claim that comsumers have no interest.
Wow. Software is the minimal side of it. It is the hardware and device interaction that the iPad lacks and the Pro (I still call it a Plus) did not address any of that. The problem with the iPad in enterprise isn't lack of want, it's the fact it is too walled in both a software AND a hardware perspective.
Oh, but Tim, many of us do. A Surface-like device with OS X perhaps? Yes please.
But by all means, keep telling yourself no one wants that.
But by all means, keep telling yourself no one wants that.
Really? A huge disconnect? Yet every one of those customers has opened their wallet to help make Apple one of the most successful companies in the world. Just look at Apple's numbers.
Why should he get "new advisors" when Apple's financial performance has been staggering, by any metric.
If Cook ran Apple based up on the opinions of public forums, or MacRumors, that would be a sure-fire path to driving the company into the ground.
Apple is doing incredibly well without that kind of assistance.
I disagree, before the new sized iPhones came out, they said they would never make a bigger iPhone until they could make it work properly in one hand. They where very clear to never say never, they would just say until we have it perfected. Here they are saying never a hybrid.
Then why are iPad sales declining when iPhones, Androids, Macs, W10 hybrids are all growing? Apple dropped the ball on the iPad. Trying to milk thinness instead of functionality. The IPP is proof that Apple realizes it needs to change.
of course! what would anyone want a single form factor for two devices? why would anyone want to sit down with a BT mouse and use a file system but also be able to lift the screen up and walk off using it as a tablet with a stylus? why would anyone expect that as technology marches forward and there's enough room in a tablet for iOS and enough room in a keyboard/laptop housing for OS X, ever even consider the possibility of combining the two? why would anyone ever want this?
why would ANYONE ever want this??
look, i'm a huge apple fan but it seems to me more of an apple-y way to keep people convinced iOS and OS X could never operate in the same hardware contraption. no, they don't need to merge, but a dual boot or some communication between the two if they're hinged together isn't out of the realm of possibility - and you can only tell people they don't want something inevitable for so long. how is what i described above something you CANNOT picture happening in the coming years? how long can they sell two devices for maximum profits when this is so close to feasible?
why would ANYONE ever want this??
look, i'm a huge apple fan but it seems to me more of an apple-y way to keep people convinced iOS and OS X could never operate in the same hardware contraption. no, they don't need to merge, but a dual boot or some communication between the two if they're hinged together isn't out of the realm of possibility - and you can only tell people they don't want something inevitable for so long. how is what i described above something you CANNOT picture happening in the coming years? how long can they sell two devices for maximum profits when this is so close to feasible?