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I don't know. Is there a real compelling reason to upgrade to this over my current gen AppleTV? I don't think I'm buying two new boxes when I already have two boxes that work perfectly fine for what it does.
The big reason here is "unofficial" content apps. If all you do is use the included channels to watch content, and you're fine with that, no need to upgrade. If you want the Apple TV to be able to act as a more generic "media center", and access content in different formats and places, Apps should cover that on the new one. Ironically the new Apple TV will allow a lot more ways to access content (movies, music) outside of Apple's ecosystem. (Ignoring games and such since you don't seem interested).
 
1080p OLED > 4K LED
could you link me to where you explain this. I'm not questioning I just want to understand. ( my TV set is nearing replacement age - and there's a long article on AVSforums about why now is not the time to buy a 4K TV. )

Different topic-

I wonder why Tim Cook didn't mention the iPad Pro availability as well.

I guess that means exact availability date is not known yet.
Or maybe he thought it was simply off-topic to the conversation.
 
well the lg oled is a 4k set - but the up-scaling on it is AMAZING. and i agree OLED beats led/lcd hands down

Am talking about a reasonable budget here haha 4K OLED is still super expensive! When 4K OLED is a reasonable price then that's when I'll make the leap to up the resolution. For now though 1080p will serve me just dandy, thanks :)
 
1080p OLED > 4K LED

Been saying this for ages, but as you will know being on tech forums, most people still think "more is better". Sigh.

More pixels *is* better though. It's just not the only important thing. Color is just as important. As is refresh rate, contrast levels, etc, they're all important. Obviously an amazing-everything-else 1080p TV is better than a crappy-everything-except-resolution 4k TV.

It's been said that the main reason for 4k TVs is that it simply allows for larger TV sets- sitting close to a 100" 1080p TV would yield some pretty fat pixels.
 
Question to everyone here.

Can you buy the new remote separately?
I am after the new remote but not the Apple TV.
 
This is a long over due upgrade. I know many people are disappointed with the ATV4 not having 4K, but I am just happy with the app store.

I have each of the older ATVs and a few of the ATV3s. My family loves them and the ATV is the most used electronic in my home by far. So, having an Appstore will probably make us love them more.

I wished it had 4K (even though I do not have a 4K TV), but I find it surprising that so many people were surprised that the ATV4 does not have 4K.

I'm surprised by that simply because they have to anticipate that a large group of users will be Netflix and Amazon Prime users, which offer 4K. They're going to lose out to the built-in apps because of that and narrow their value-add in the sales process.

My biggest surprise is the lack of a coax input -- if they truly want to offer a TV service with many levels, up to and including a replacement for full service, I'd imagine a large volume could be added to their sales for multiple TV homes. They could leverage a MoCa or DeCa to take advantage of coax already laid throughout a home, and again create a value-add sale, or at least knocking down a barrier of entry...
 
could you link me to where you explain this. I'm not questioning I just want to understand. ( my TV set is nearing replacement age - and there's a long article on AVSforums about why now is not the time to buy a 4K TV. )

To be clear, it is just my personal opinion on the matter, but most of my issues with 4K I've explained here.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...more-at-wsjdlive.1930298/page-4#post-22113971

As for OLED, just google OLED vs LED and everything you'll come across will explain the advantages of OLED. Here's just one such example.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/oled-vs-led-lcd


Going off both of these things, I've come to the personal conclusion that I'd rather have a 1080p OLED set than a 4K LED set for the time being. There are also other issues that I guess that AVForums article you mentioned covered, things such as lack of HDMI 2.0 ports and high latency on current 4K sets.)

Now - obviously 4K OLED would suit the needs of both worlds, but if you look into it you'll find those TV sets are quite a pretty penny to say the least, and I am working within a budget here haha

In conclusion, and in my opinion, in the next year or so a 1080p OLED would be the way to go. If you're buying from 2017/2018 onwards, then I'd start looking for 4K OLED as the issues I've mentioned should have been addressed by then, and obviously they will also be more affordable.
 
I just don't get it
I watch Netflix and rent iTunes movies and use AirPlay and iCloud music library for music
Why would I need or even just 'want' to upgrade to this?
Especially since the old perfectly capable model is now only just $69
APPS!
If you have no interest in having Apps then you are good to go with your $69 model.
 
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Can you still stream from computers? I.E. can my entire iTunes library on my mac still be pulled up on the new Apple TV (music, TV shows, movies, etc)?

They seem to be wanting you to "store," content on the device. I just want to pull it off my mac as I do now, will I be able to, all of that? Music and TV shows?
 
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I think the lack of 1080p on the ATV2 when it was released was more surprising than 4k on the ATV4. 1080p TVs were more widely in use and more content was available for 1080p in 2010 then 4K TVs and content is today.

I read a business insider article about the fast adoption of 4k TVs, but even in their research they predicted that only 10% of US homes will have 4K TVs by the end of 2018.

I can believe that. If the content isn't there, then what is the rush to upgrade?
 
we've had a receiver with HDMI&ARC for quite a few years now it seems odd this other guy (and many others) do complain about it
The 'other guy' said amplifier not receiver - there are a number of us who run the ATV through a hi-if system and my TV soundbar is optical input - I think it is an unnecessary change that limits the device
 
The 'other guy' said amplifier not receiver - there are a number of us who run the ATV through a hi-if system and my TV soundbar is optical input - I think it is an unnecessary change that limits the device

Can you not go:

ATV --HDMI--> TV --OPTICAL--> Soundbar

That way everything that is on your TV plays through the soundbar, regardless of the input (PS4/ATV/Bluray player etc)
 
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Can you not go:

ATV --HDMI--> TV --OPTICAL--> Soundbar

That way everything that is on your TV plays through the soundbar, regardless of the input (PS4/ATV/Bluray player etc)

Oh yes I will do that but it still limits the actual streaming device - removes an option that has been there since ATV2 came out
 
Doesn't the new ATV run on TV os 9.1?
If we are to starting receiving these by the end of next week 9.1 is coming out very soon, no?
 
Well, it is coming to Canada. We have a 4K Sports Channel starting in January. It will have NHL and MLB games. Yes, it is small but it is a start. Rogers also has a Netflix style channel starting with 4K content. If Canada can ramp up production that quickly America certainly can begin to as well.

I have Gigabit fibre and it be available by year's end from the other major provider in my city. Gigabit fibre is being announced and rolled out quickly in Canada. Again, phone and cable companies in the US can start this as quickly as it is here.

Fox has announced major studio releases in 4K will be available to purchase as a download. You also get a blu-Ray disc. Great way to use my fibre

So, chips are available to process 4K, content is available with more coming, iPhones have 4K recording and iMovie can produce 4K movies. Apple should be a leader and have installed 4K in this box.

Do I have a 4K TV? No. I am waiting to see what the HDR requirements are for the Sports channel and then I will buy. I will purchase a new receiver once DTS:X is released. I'll buy a new AppleTV when Apple updates the box to support 4K. I just wish it was now.

I'm not saying that content is not out there at all, it's just that there is very little of it available and less than 1% of all household TVs even have a 4K TV. Also, it's totally awesome that you're getting gigabyte fiber internet. While a few American cities have it, it will unfortunately be several more years before that becomes somewhat mainstream in the U.S.

I totally agree that change is coming. It just hasn't changed enough yet for Apple to support 4K distribution yet.
 
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I can't decide on 32GB or 64GB. I do my gaming on my Xbox One but I will probably play some games on the AppleTV and I'm sure I'll want a lot of entertainment apps.
 
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