Tim Cook Speaks About DACA, Coding, and More at Bloomberg's First 'Global Business Forum'

[Mac32]

USA's identity, culture, capitalism and success are "decedents" of EUROPEAN and WESTERN culture and people. It's a big difference having a country of immigrants with a fairly homogenous background from mainly Western European countries, versus importing untold millions of unskilled people from dysfunctional and unproductive third world cultures - where the average cognitive levels are significantly lower than the white (and north-eastern Asian) population. I'm so tired of insipid utopian liberals preaching their BS to working and middle class citizens, while living removed from the common folk in their gated communities and mansions.

These so-called "liberals" are basically arguing for white people to become a minority in our own countries, while riling up the minorities to rally against the "evil white patriarchy". It doesn't take a genius to realise, that this is going to end very badly. Ironically the same "liberals" see it as a fundamental right that any non-white population can protect and be proud of their own culture, borders and identity. These "liberals" are undermining Western culture and civilisation, and should be shunned and ridiculed. SHUT UP, TIM!

 

[amegicfox]

I wish he was running, with Elon as his vice. Or the other way around!

1. Musk is the biggest WELFARE queen in the world for his multiple elitist only, profitless companies
He drained the USA government and constantly criticize it.

2. Tim Cook is the worst CEO Apple has ever had. Apple products are obsolete and overpriced.
Apple no longer leads in anything and Timmy plays virtue signaling instead of working.

they both hate America and they both support the KALERGI PLAN

I don't think they should be anywhere near ANY government !

 

[chfilm]

1. Musk is the biggest WELFARE queen in the world for his multiple elitist only, profitless companies
He drained the USA government and constantly criticize it.

2. Tim Cook is the worst CEO Apple has ever had. Apple products are obsolete and overpriced.
Apple no longer leads in anything and Timmy plays virtue signaling instead of working.

they both hate America and they both support the KALERGI PLAN

I don't think they should be anywhere near ANY government !

Haha, at first I thought you were serious, but when you brought up that plan about the new world order I knew you were kidding, right.... RIGHT?

For the record, I'm not following any ominous plan against trump, I, together with basically ALL Europeans that I know, am against Mr Trump, because he's obviously unfit for the office that he holds and the number one reason why I personally don't want to visit your country anymore in the near future, even though I used to be a big fan and have to go for business reasons. Very sad actually what he's done to your culture.

It needs people like Cook, who speak up for decency and dignity, unlike the orange clown in the white house who carelessly threatens other countries with total nuclear destruction.

 

[phillipduran]

We are not an international drop off day care center. They have to go back and follow the rules regarding immigration which all of our legal immigrants have been doing year after year for decades.

This is about democrat votes by displacing US citizens and not the plight of these people.

 

[dfs]

People need to stop complaining about Tim Cook being political. Apple is a globalist neo-liberal company. Love it or leave it!

The best part are all the people that complain about open-borders and free-trade liberalism while taking advantage of it. Oh yah, I'm sure you're willing to pay double for an iPhone produced in USA, or that you're willing to pay 4x more for fruits and vegetables picked by American labor. LOL.

Ultimately we Americans need to open our borders to allow for unfettered immigration. It would be a good way to destroy conservative culture, which we do not need in this country. Conservatives are just harmful to our economy and they do not produce anything useful.

The world wants to buy liberal products, not conservative products.

I'm sorry, but I find it improbable that Tim supports DACA just because he's a liberal or a nice guy. Rather, I'm tempted to suspect that he (together with a lot of other folks in Silicon Valley) are giving DACA so vocally for the same reason that The California Lettuce Growers' Association supports immigration policies that make it easy for foreigners to enter the country temporariliy to work as migrant field hands. Cook and the rest know, suspect, or at least hope that today's DACA students will become tomorrow's cheap and easily abused labor pool. So where you see liberal altruism, I think I'm getting a glimpse of corporate nest-feathering cynically appropriating the rhetoric of liberalism to further its own agenda.

 

[macduke]

But the point is all those things someone didn't have to pass you describe. So what? Nobody has to. You don't like it change the electoral system instead of moaning about a system in place that has democratically elected every president since the history of elections.

Well, first of all, this isn't about what I specifically want. It's about whether or not someone is a good person because they're successful. I don't think Trump is a good person or a good presidential leader. He lacks the respect needed for the office—to lead not just those who voted for him, but all people. But if you ask me, personally, a life-long republican who is now firmly moderate, what I don't like is that our society has been dumbed down to the point where they elect a reality TV star/predatory real estate buyer as president. Has nothing to do with the electoral college. It's sad enough that he won the primary. I voted for Rubio in the primary. And I'd vote for Cook over him.

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

Someone should tell the Righties stop blaming brown people for all your problems. It's the wealthy that are taking advantage of the system and keep doing so when you elected an elitist into government.

Understandable, but he left at noon on 1/20/17.

 

[5105973]

USA's identity, culture, capitalism and success are "decedents" of EUROPEAN and WESTERN culture and people. It's a big difference having a country of immigrants with a fairly homogenous background from mainly Western European countries, versus importing untold millions of unskilled people from dysfunctional and unproductive third world cultures - where the average cognitive levels are significantly lower than the white (and north-eastern Asian) population. I'm so tired of insipid utopian liberals preaching their BS to working and middle class citizens, while living removed from the common folk in their gated communities and mansions.

These so-called "liberals" are basically arguing for white people to become a minority in our own countries, while riling up the minorities to rally against the "evil white patriarchy". It doesn't take a genius to realise, that this is going to end very badly. Ironically the same "liberals" see it as a fundamental right that any non-white population can protect and be proud of their own culture, borders and identity. These "liberals" are undermining Western culture and civilisation, and should be shunned and ridiculed. SHUT UP, TIM!

Um, I'm not a liberal and this is a bit off topic, but in the interest of fairness to a significant portion of our population that has been with this nation since its inception, you forgot the black American contribution to culture, science, etc and so forth. That's why I guess we need a Black History Month, because we keep forgetting they built this country, too.

 

[atropos]

So.. I still don't get it, I know Tim said it in hypothetical way.... but let say, I m a "dreamer" so I can get a job in US illegally, or just without a proper visa?! well, I should pack my things and jump into the plane tonight.

 

[convergent]

Here we go again... another political agenda. Follow laws and there would be no issue.

Meanwhile, there are a dozen or so stories about various problems with Apple products. I don't recall under Jobs that so many problems occurred during a launch, and its seems to be getting worse every product cycle... plus the product cycles on some of the products have slowed way down. But they have a shiny new campus.

 

[Zombie Acorn]

We don't, but the overall stats, which I don't have a link to at the moment but read several weeks ago, are encouraging. If you take external signs like completing high school and pursuing higher education, the rates at which they fulfill these commitments above the general population indicates they have some investment in living out their lives here. Also, I would think if they didn't, they'd try to leave and find shelter with families in their countries of origin, giving that so many people are telling them to get out.

I'm very critical of illegal immigration and the problems and price to society in turning a blind eye to it. But I'm also pragmatic about some situations and these people didn't choose to immigrate illegally but made the best of their lives while here (for the most part). It would be cutting off our nose to spite our face, so to speak, to turn them out now when our tax money has already educated them and helped make them productive members of our society.

I think the problem with DACA was that it was yet another unsustainable executive order that could be easily overturned and leave the people who depended upon it adrift. It should have been properly legislated from the beginning. I think it's somewhat unfair that the President, whom I am no fan of, has taken so much criticism for ending it and putting it to Congress where it belongs.

I did vote for Obama the first time around and I quickly grew very wary of the flimsy foundation he set his legacy upon. I am not overly fond of any president relying too heavily upon executive orders and burdening our courts with the necessity of ruling on the legality of them all.

Going to need to source your first paragraph, numbers I've seen show dreamers with a much higher dropout rate for high school at ~22%
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Congress is too broken to pass legislation that does what much of the executive orders do. Congress just bicker and block the other side so much that only watered down compromises pass. Legislation so compromised that most of it's effectiveness is gone.

If one side wants this enough they will give the other side what they want.

 

[5105973]

Going to need to source your first paragraph, numbers I've seen show dreamers with a much higher dropout rate for high school at ~22%

I don't know if I could find it again. It was on a feed, I can't remember which publication. I could not find it again when I searched. I am finding pretty much every other stat but the one I'm looking for.

 

[the8thark]

He speaks to Apple's and especially Apple's employee's interests. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. And I'd be disappointed in Apple and Mr. Cook if he didn't.

So you hate Tim Cook and don't like what he does looking out for Apple's interests? No worries. There are plenty of other tech companies that you can support with your purchases. It does take courage to take a real stand on that, voting with your wallet, though.

As an Apple employee, your interest is to do your job well and hope Apple as a company does well. Anything else, you have those other interests on your own time, not Apple's time. If Tim Cook was writing letters to his employees about how well the products are doing or how the stock price is performing or similar business related issues, then I'd say fine, but that is not what is happening here.

Tim Cook is abusing his position of CEO to look out for his own political agenda.
This is fact.

Note well, I'm not against Tim Cook doing this, as a private citizen. But on Apple's time, he's the paid CEO, not a paid democrat lobbyist.

 

[saha-med]

Cook speaks out and supports legalisation of gay marriages

*Claps all around

Cook speaks out and supports DACA

OMG STAY OUT OF POLITICS BLA BLA BLA

 

[Pilgrim1099]

As an Apple employee, your interest is to do your job well and hope Apple as a company does well. Anything else, you have those other interests on your own time, not Apple's time. If Tim Cook was writing letters to his employees about how well the products are doing or how the stock price is performing or similar business related issues, then I'd say fine, but that is not what is happening here.

Tim Cook is abusing his position of CEO to look out for his own political agenda.
This is fact.

Note well, I'm not against Tim Cook doing this, as a private citizen. But on Apple's time, he's the paid CEO, not a paid democrat lobbyist.

Agreed. He has a right to a political opinion, sure. But he's on their payroll, not on a political podium. I remember how Howard Schultz, who was Starbucks CEO, used to air his political views but used the issues as 'talking points' on his products. Here's one example: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-trump-supporters-boycott-starbucks-2017-2

And especially their infamous unity campaign that annoyed customers: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/starbucks-new-unity-cups-have-americans-divided/

Now Schultz no longer is CEO and has stepped down very recently, remaining behind the scenes to assist Mr. Johnson who's now in charge. See here: http://fortune.com/2016/12/01/starbucks-ceo-howard-schultz-stepping-down/

And the reason for Schultz stepping down as I quote him --I will remain Starbucks executive chairman, focusing full-time on the incredible growth opportunities we have in expanding Roasteries and building out our portfolio of Reserve stores and on Starbucks social impact agenda which will be a significant part of the focus going forward--

It's not the first time I've seen Starbucks pull political views on cups. About over 10 years ago, I used to work for them as a barista and would see how they would print things on the cups as statements. Customers don't usually pay attention to them as they pick them up at the far side of the bar, but some would comment on them briefly time to time. When I worked there, politics was a sensitive subject and we had to focus on our jobs without getting into it ( this was around when Bush was going for the Presidency versus Al Gore ). It was a matter of staying professional. Outside the store, it was fine to broach the subject, but not inside.

It's the same way when I took martial arts during high school, there was a custom of bowing when opening the door of the dojo and entering. It was a matter of 'leaving your ego at the door'. And then bowing before the mat and walking on it and upon leaving, vice versa.

So, if Cook is so damn concerned about politics, why doesn't he just step down and stay out of the Apple spotlight? Just like keeping the Church and State separate, you have to keep business and politics apart, if possible, as well.

 

[Born Again]

so why wont americans pick veggies? would you send your kids to the fields for a job? is that beneath you?

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

Um, I'm not a liberal and this is a bit off topic, but in the interest of fairness to a significant portion of our population that has been with this nation since its inception, you forgot the black American contribution to culture, science, etc and so forth. That's why I guess we need a Black History Month, because we keep forgetting they built this country, too.

I was going to take issue with "preaching their BS to working and middle class citizens"

Separating the two seems a bit... misleading.

Jeffy
(A Libertarian leaning Conservative. I don't care where you come from, who you sleep with, or what you believe the higher power to be. Just don't hurt me or my family, or make me pay for your choices.)

 

[5105973]

so why wont americans pick veggies? would you send your kids to the fields for a job? is that beneath you?

We kind of are. Small community farms are popular where I live. My middle schooler picks veggies once a week on the small farm the school manages and makes a whole meal of whatever vegetables they've picked. Got any good eggplant recipes to share? I know that's not exactly what you're talking about, but who doesn't like a chance to mention eggplant?

 

[Born Again]

We kind of are. Small community farms are popular where I live. My middle schooler picks veggies once a week on the small farm the school manages and makes a whole meal of whatever vegetables they've picked. Got any good eggplant recipes to share? I know that's not exactly what you're talking about, but who doesn't like a chance to mention eggplant?

that's the name of my doggie

 

[5105973]

that's the name of my doggie

Great name for a dog that color with such a shiny coat! I love it!

 

[citysnaps]

As an Apple employee, your interest is to do your job well and hope Apple as a company does well. Anything else, you have those other interests on your own time, not Apple's time. If Tim Cook was writing letters to his employees about how well the products are doing or how the stock price is performing or similar business related issues, then I'd say fine, but that is not what is happening here.

Tim Cook is abusing his position of CEO to look out for his own political agenda.
This is fact.

Note well, I'm not against Tim Cook doing this, as a private citizen. But on Apple's time, he's the paid CEO, not a paid democrat lobbyist.

You still do not understand as CEO, Mr. Cook has a right and a duty to speak out about matters that affect Apple and its employees. It's part of his job, as it is with any other CEO of large corporation; whether it be Apple, Facebook, Salesforce, Microsoft, Google, Tesla, IBM, Texas Instruments, etc. Whether you like that or not.

 

[amegicfox]

the8thark said: ↑
As an Apple employee, your interest is to do your job well and hope Apple as a company does well. Anything else, you have those other interests on your own time, not Apple's time. If Tim Cook was writing letters to his employees about how well the products are doing or how the stock price is performing or similar business related issues, then I'd say fine, but that is not what is happening here.

Tim Cook is abusing his position of CEO to look out for his own political agenda.
This is fact.

Note well, I'm not against Tim Cook doing this, as a private citizen. But on Apple's time, he's the paid CEO, not a paid democrat lobbyist.

You still do not understand as CEO, Mr. Cook has a right and a duty to speak out about matters that affect Apple and its employees. It's part of his job, as it is with any other CEO of large corporation; whether it be Apple, Facebook, Salesforce, Microsoft, Google, Tesla, IBM, Texas Instruments, etc. Whether you like that or not.

Who did vote for Tim Cook? ... I can't remember...

you are right, lots of Apple employees are fed up hearing him constantly saying how illegal immigrants taking their jobs is good for America!

 

[citysnaps]

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[the8thark]

You still do not understand as CEO, Mr. Cook has a right and a duty to speak out about matters that affect Apple and its employees. It's part of his job, as it is with any other CEO of large corporation; whether it be Apple, Facebook, Salesforce, Microsoft, Google, Tesla, IBM, Texas Instruments, etc. Whether you like that or not.

You still do not understand Tim Cook is paid to be the Apple CEO, not a Democrat lobbyist. Lobbying is not part of his job description as Apple CEO. Also a lot of what Tim Cook is speaking about as CEO does not affect Apple and it's employees.

Tim Cook is abusing his position as CEO. He should do his political lobbyingon his own time without involving the Apple employees.

The same applies for every CEO out there. Pushing for matters that actually affect the company you work for is something totally different. That is not what Tim Cook did here. He went outside what affects Apple to push his own political agendas.

 

[citysnaps]

You still do not understand Tim Cook is paid to be the Apple CEO, not a Democrat lobbyist. Lobbying is not part of his job description as Apple CEO. Also a lot of what Tim Cook is speaking about as CEO does not affect Apple and it's employees.

Tim Cook is abusing his position as CEO. He should do his political lobbyingon his own time without involving the Apple employees.

The same applies for every CEO out there. Pushing for matters that actually affect the company you work for is something totally different. That is not what Tim Cook did here. He went outside what affects Apple to push his own political agendas.

Wrong.

Tim Cook is lobbying on behalf of Apple and Apple's employees. That's part of his job, as it is with other tech CEOs. Everything he has taken a position on (privacy, equal rights for workers, the environment, DACA, immigration, etc) directly affects both, and it's his responsibility to make sure he's heard in Washington on those matters. I would be greatly disappointed if he and other tech CEOs (from google, Microsoft, Tesla, Salesforce, etc) remained silent.

The good news is, if the positions he takes in that endeavor are contrary to your beliefs, there are plenty of tech manufacturing companies out there to embrace and support with your $$$.