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How about stop giving us empty promise for something so far away(this is almost like apple tv) and deliver some macbook pro this march? What is taking so freaking so long??
 
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so Apple will get this out by Christmas eve present for everyone in some forseeable future?

While signs to the fact this is still "in production" that Apple has hired people, a few have left as well. Also, all signs have been "quiet on the western front." as well...

However this may be something that unlike other tings which were a secret... This is probably, could even be "a real secret"
 
You know with all the whiners here you would think that Apple comes to your house, puts a gun to your head and makes you pay for something you don't want. If Apple products are over priced then the only ones to blame are the idiots who over pay for them.

If the products aren't worth what they are charging, don't buy them. If someone is making a product that represents a better value to you then go to their site and praise them. I'm sick of all the crybabies on MR. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have things to criticize, but you guys just make yourselves look foolish to bash Apple and then send them your money.
But these people you talk about aren't whiners. They really like Apple, they promise! Or they don't like Apple, but they like some Apple products. Or they don't like Apple products, they just post here because they bought an iPod from a friend ten years ago. Either way, we're all just blind fanboys because we don't attempt to shred Apple to pieces every time Tim Cook takes a breath.
 
Queue jokes/complaints related to other products and how Apple can't get that right so they shouldn't be working on a car.
That's because they are doing it wrong. Can't we just agree that everything they do, and we do, is being done wrong? And Apple shouldn't be doing this until every line of code in every program is checked line by line, transistor by transistor, and tested to the fullest extent of the law and electronics. And no back doors, please.
 
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Autonomous vehicles with buggy software and incomplete implementation.
LOL...ain't that the truth.
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I'm with you, I don't want new stuff. I want polished existing products, even a refined (reduced) set of products.
I would have to say....i'm with you on that....and this is one of the reasons why I get annoyed by their "announcements.'
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You're forgetting the fact that there will most likely be integration between the car, phone, possibly the watch, etc. This means that there will be X amount of people in the car division working on integration between the devices, Y amount of people in the phone division, Z amount in the watch, and whatever other divisions there are in the company - depending on how many devices Apple wants to integrate.

I'm not saying that there's a small amount of people working on the car. I'm saying that because of the inevitable cross links between the car and the Apple products, both sides will need to work with each other and share resources and time for this to all work.

If you're trying to push the car out by 2017 or 18, then obviously you'll need more people on both sides and more labor work. That'll mean less focus on whatever specific products they're working on. If you're extending that to 2019 or 2020, then obviously you can space it out.

Read more into my comment next time.
Next big thing that we might find out is that we might be able to do film production in the car while driving.
 
Cars are expensive enough, why do we need an Apple tax in addition to all the other taxes associated with them?
PCs are expensive enough for Window$ users. Why do they need extra anti-virus tax, Micro$oft Office subscription tax, and next Micro$oft Windows version tax in addition to a super slow computer after OEM installed bloat ware?
 
Next big thing that we might find out is that we might be able to do film production in the car while driving.

That's one thing I've found lacking in all currently available cars and personally I will not buy another vehicle until it has this ability.
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PCs are expensive enough for Window$ users. Why do they need extra anti-virus tax, Micro$oft Office subscription tax, and next Micro$oft Windows version tax in addition to a super slow computer after OEM installed bloat ware?

Obviously you haven't used a modern Windows based computer. Go try one at the same price point as a Mac and tell me how slow it is.
 
"It's going to be Christmas eve for a while"

and...

Someone who actually believes the sign which says "Free beer tomorrow"

"for a while",
ie, read between the lines a bit here folks, come on - do you need him to actually spell out "who said we are making a car? We didn't."

People read anything into everything, and are very often wayyyyyyy off. You do realise that car people being hired + engine noises != "Apple car", necessarily, right? Cars contain many areas of tech which Apple is exploring, but that doesn't mean they're making A CAR. CarPlay, engine telemetry monitoring etc, in car entertainment, whatever else, but please; you're all a little bit too tunnel vision about "Apple car" - try splitting the car into its separate components: mechanical, electrical, entertainment, ECU, air con, parking assist, alertness monitoring... too many categories exist to make a complete list... but pick one of those... pick three, or however many, and you've still got NO CHANCE of guessing what they're doing.
 
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Nonsense.

Norway
has one of the largest market shares for EVs in the world (22% of all new vehicles sold in 2015 were pure electric vehicles).

They have some pretty extreme seasons there.

And they accept the extreme reduction in range or drive with the heater off and try to stay warm by bundling up with gloves, balaclava, parka, etc:

[Journalists] took five cars to the Defereggen Valley, in the Austrian Alps, where it's appropriately cold, outfitted them all with winter tires, and tested their range. What did they learn?
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This test shows the cold reduces an EV's range by more than 50 percent. That's bad but consider that gas cars are even worse: they don't even start when it's too cold. The situation could improve a little with better battery insulation, and more efficient heating systems.
I stand by my earlier post: the Apple Car won't have much market in places where potential customers experience cold winters and/or hot summers unless Apple's made a breakthrough in battery life.
 
Apple has such a well known brand that writers, reporters and the like constantly hover around waiting for anything to report on.

Presently it seems like Apple is investing more time and energy talking and pandering to maximize the free marketing exposure disguised as "News." Too bad they aren't focusing on improving iOS to provide a better experience. Having arrived at "good enough, just ship it" level of operations, they're free "To Tease The Car" or any other interesting rumor. Truly a fine accomplishment.

Business The Apple Way, just collect the money :D
 
How Apple nearly ALWAYS catches the public off-guard: They throw you some crumbs of various dishes, note which you gobble up the most of, then feed you what you've been enjoying most, and then snatch it from you on keynote day, and hand you something FAR TASTIER, the likes of which you'd not even have considered because you were too busy being distracted by the blindingly obvious; do you not think they'd also see what you see as obvious, and laugh to themselves that you're drinking it in? I know I would if I was Apple - people entertainment masse are EASILY led down the path to the tasty, obvious pies.

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That's one thing I've found lacking in all currently available cars and personally I will not buy another vehicle until it has this ability.
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Obviously you haven't used a modern Windows based computer. Go try one at the same price point as a Mac and tell me how slow it is.
and Mr. Phill Sch said..."innovation my A**" lol
 
How do companies keep their secrets, any employee can log on anonymously on the internet and leak out all the information. Even easier, just put the papers somewhere in public and someone will pick them up
 
Honestly I truly believe this car will be one of the largest and most expensive disasters in the history of the car and tech industries. Unlike most product categories Apple has entered, this one has so many land mines I couldn't even hope to list all of them, such as the fact that it can kill people if there's a glitch (which is likely with any software)
 
Honestly I truly believe this car will be one of the largest and most expensive disasters in the history of the car and tech industries. Unlike most product categories Apple has entered, this one has so many land mines I couldn't even hope to list all of them, such as the fact that it can kill people if there's a glitch (which is likely with any software)


What car?

Sheesh.
 
And they accept the extreme reduction in range or drive with the heater off and try to stay warm by bundling up with gloves, balaclava, parka, etc:

[Journalists] took five cars to the Defereggen Valley, in the Austrian Alps, where it's appropriately cold, outfitted them all with winter tires, and tested their range. What did they learn?
...
This test shows the cold reduces an EV's range by more than 50 percent. That's bad but consider that gas cars are even worse: they don't even start when it's too cold. The situation could improve a little with better battery insulation, and more efficient heating systems.
I stand by my earlier post: the Apple Car won't have much market in places where potential customers experience cold winters and/or hot summers unless Apple's made a breakthrough in battery life.

Is that why Norway is a big market for Tesla? Seems to get pretty cold over there.
 
Is that why Norway is a big market for Tesla? Seems to get pretty cold over there.

I don't know. Norway's not a very large country (about as big in square miles as New Mexico), and you could lose its population of 5 million in Los Angeles county. Their requirements for EV can't be the same as those for us Americans who live and travel in such a huge variety of climates and terrain.
 
Probably not. Take a look at how Tesla prices their cars.

$63 K gets you 5.5 seconds 0-60 MPH. (70)
$68 K gets you 5.2 " (70D)
$78 K gets you 4.2 " (90D)
$98K gets you 3.1 " (P90D)
$108K gets you 2.8 " (P90D w/ Ludicrous)

#1 - Your prices seem low. Remember: The Apple Watch ranges in price from $300 - $17K. Apple prices themselves as a luxury company. They don't sell $100 watches. Similarly, they won't sell $20K cars. Expect them to be in the range of what the Tesla Model S costs (https://www.teslamotors.com/models/design)

#2 - Top speed seems like a dumb thing to offer for more money. 50 MPH would be utterly worthless. I think doing what Tesla does, increasing the acceleration, seems more likely. The base model goes from 0-60 MPH in 5.5 seconds. That's not bad - my current car does it in 7 seconds and I don't feel like my car is particularly slow. Their top end car does it in half the time - 2.8 seconds. That's insa - no, ludicrous. That makes it the 6th fastest car in existence. The 5 faster cars each cost more than twice as much and are exotic two seater sports cars.
You are talking about acceleration. Speed is something else, and eventually fastest is again a matter of proportionally far harder target to accomplish. Almost every other supercar out there will be able to leave any Tesla to dust, because to be fast you also need to be light, have the best brake technology, the best shock absorbers, the best geometry, the lowest center of gravity, pull the most "g's", etc and etc and the list goes on. There is a reason you have to pay like a million$ for the new Ferraris and Porches, these companies are no dumb.
 
You are talking about acceleration. Speed is something else, and eventually fastest is again a matter of proportionally far harder target to accomplish. Almost every other supercar out there will be able to leave any Tesla to dust, because to be fast you also need to be light, have the best brake technology, the best shock absorbers, the best geometry, the lowest center of gravity, pull the most "g's", etc and etc and the list goes on. There is a reason you have to pay like a million$ for the new Ferraris and Porches, these companies are no dumb.
None of that is true at all. And neither are your prices for Ferraris and Porches.
 
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