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Apple should stay out of the politics, IMO.
Likely half of America will be irritated.

Both halves of America are irritated already, and probably one of those halves already irritated at Apple for something or other (and the other half irritated with that half for even existing, to judge by some of the iPhone threads).

Cue chant bring the 4" phone...
Cue chant 4" phone is idiotic...

Apple no doubt proud to be topic of conversation of 100% of population.

Just like Trump is, I could add, but I'm offended that even crossed my mind.
 
It's actually a republic, and since there hasn't been an election yet your declarative is very premature.
I disagree.

If it was premature there wouldn't be so many panicked to the point of organizing efforts to Block what is supposed to be a democratic process.

Yet long before they've given the process a chance to work... They're scrambling behind the scenes to destroy the man's credibility. To destroy the very process itself.

Unable to face the truth, these pathetic insecure people are... well it's obvious to most
 
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As an outsider it's actually pretty hilarious seeing the left leaning part of the American media going berserk and doing everything they can in an attempt to demolish Trump's chances of becoming president. John Oliver recently even tried to mock him about how his grandfather had to change his German last name during WW1 to avoid persecution because of it.

Probably the most spectacular part of Trump's campaign is that it was the media that came together and solved Trump's #1 problem, how un-relatable he is, by dog piling him to such an extent that his unfair treatment by the media made him look sympathetic. By continuing to attack him like that, they're no longer having the effect they want as the people who don't like Trump have already gotten the message, but those who haven't are seeing the whole thing as the media being *******s towards Trump.

So if you want to kill Trump's presidential aspirations you're just going to need a whole new strategy as bashing him in the media now only increases popularity. Trump has essentially become the political equivalent of antibiotic resistent bacteria created trough overuse of antibiotics where more antibiotics/bashing only makes him stronger.

I still wouldn't be taking all that talk about doom and gloom so seriously remembering that the U.S has had George W Bush and before that Ronald Regan in the White House, both for two consecutive terms, and it's still here. In that sense you could argue that he's just a logical succession to presidents that came before him. Even the crook angle isn't anything new remembering Nixon and the Watergate scandal.
 
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Trump will either be the republican candidate or democrats will win the white house simply because the idiot republican establishment does not understand that we are tired of the same old politics. Now is Trump good for America, who knows? Will Trump beat the democrats, who knows?

But I do know that Trump is, based on what we know today, the only republican candidate that is not beholding to the old, tired, stupid republican establishment. Don't know if that is good or bad, but I don't see any downside to trying it.
 
Apple is walking on the dark side?

Interesting. I wonder why Tim Cook would be interested in giving any credence to this group.

What's next? Apple joining ALEC?

Heh, that would raise eyebrows wouldn't it.

Tim Cook attending doesn't "give credence" to the AEI. It is what it is, and it holds an annual forum. Movers and shakers from both sides the political aisles often attend. The topic of Apple v FBI was sure to emerge this year... even if how Trump got this far was obviously bound to be Item One on the agenda.
 
I still wouldn't be taking all that talk about doom and gloom so seriously remembering that the U.S has had George W Bush and before that Ronald Regan in the White House, both for two consecutive terms, and it's still here. In that sense you could argue that he's just a logical succession to presidents that came before him. Even the crook angle isn't anything new remembering Nixon and the Watergate scandal.

And we are still paying the price for BOTH of them having been president.

Reagan tripled the budget, and wasted trillions of dollars chasing pie in the sky manufactured threats. Bush declared the country completely above any laws and treaties and did everything possible to destroy our democracy, and taunt the extremists in their party.

I was thinking that after the many and varied crimes of the Bush/Cheney administration, that a republican wouldn't have a chance of being elected dog catcher for at least a decade, and yet look at where we are.

Yes, it is prudent to fear Trump, and Cruz. Both would be markedly worse than Bush, and we can't afford them.

That also brings up the bashing that many get over Obama. The freak out by the right is almost totally about his skin color, because where the 'rubber meets the road', Obama has been an abject failure.

ALL of the Bushist machinery has been deliberately left in place, and far too much of it has been expanded, which boggles the mind.

It was a 'target rich environment' when Obama took office, and what does he do? Nothing.

And allow Wall Street to continue to walk all over 'We the people', and give a deaf ear to the right wing fear network. The base of the republican party are being played harder and more recklessly than at any point in this countries history, and my fear is it's about to explode...

I fear the future. Bush showed how much damage can be accomplished in such a short time, and Obama showed how much of a useless tool the democratic party is as an alternative party...
 
I never post on here but after reading all these I figured I should say something.

Our country is completely screwed up no matter how you look at it. You can stand there and point fingers saying it was Bush that caused our problems and say that Obama caused our problems but the bottom line is that they both contributed to what is going on in our country.

You have a two parties of politicians that are taking this country and tearing it in two. Both groups are pointing the finger at each other and saying the other is at fault. This country is no better than it was 8 years ago and it is OUR fault for electing these people.

We were forced into Iraq by Bush and thousands of lives were sacrificed all in the name of democracy, by the time we the people realized it was too late and the damage was done. Then Obama came and promised us change and nothing came of that except a horrible medical program for all.

Now is the time to do something about it but unfortunately neither party has a candidate worth voting for. Hillary is a criminal, sanders is socialist, Cruze is a lying sociopath, Rubio is another first term senator just like Obama and trump is well...trump. I agree with him when it comes to trade and building things in other countries as well as some of his immigration policies but that's it.

I think we are on a path to nowhere once again just like we were 8 years ago. George carlin said it best: voting is meaningless, this country was bought and paid for a long time ago.
 
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I hope Trump wins just to **** them.

Edit: BTW this is my knee jerk reaction.
The rest of the world is terrified of having such an openly racist idiot in the White House. Both the race tensions inside of the US as well as international relations could be set back decades. Ooh...and how about North Korea. How well do you think their crazy-assed leader would respond to Trump daring him to launch nukes???

As much as we like to point at W as how wrong things can go, Trump is no Bush. Can anyone name ANY redeeming qualities of "The Donald"???

The prospect is frightening.

And, back on topic - can't be much of a secretive meeting if everyone knows about it. :) You're just upset that they didn't televise it?
 
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And we are still paying the price for BOTH of them having been president.

Reagan tripled the budget, and wasted trillions of dollars chasing pie in the sky manufactured threats. Bush declared the country completely above any laws and treaties and did everything possible to destroy our democracy, and taunt the extremists in their party.

I was thinking that after the many and varied crimes of the Bush/Cheney administration, that a republican wouldn't have a chance of being elected dog catcher for at least a decade, and yet look at where we are.

Yes, it is prudent to fear Trump, and Cruz. Both would be markedly worse than Bush, and we can't afford them.

That also brings up the bashing that many get over Obama. The freak out by the right is almost totally about his skin color, because where the 'rubber meets the road', Obama has been an abject failure.

ALL of the Bushist machinery has been deliberately left in place, and far too much of it has been expanded, which boggles the mind.

It was a 'target rich environment' when Obama took office, and what does he do? Nothing.

And allow Wall Street to continue to walk all over 'We the people', and give a deaf ear to the right wing fear network. The base of the republican party are being played harder and more recklessly than at any point in this countries history, and my fear is it's about to explode...

I fear the future. Bush showed how much damage can be accomplished in such a short time, and Obama showed how much of a useless tool the democratic party is as an alternative party...

I think the most recent administration has been far more dangerous and destructive. Look at the killing of Gaddafi and the unseating of Mubarak in Egypt. Both of those actions severely weakened the Middle East and caused many deaths. It lead to the creation and rise of ISIS, which Obama called "junior varsity". Look at the people that died from FAST AND FURIOUS. The American Embassy in Libya. The list is very long. And the horrible and expensive domestic policies that have crippled many working class families here at home. This has been the worst administration in American history.

That being said, I see very little difference between the two political parties. "Demicans and Republicrats" is really all we have now.

I like Trump as a candidate exactly because he is not the same old "professional politician" or lawyer turned politician. Professional politicians have turned America and the world into a virtual "S*** Stew".
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As much as we like to point at W as how wrong things can go, Trump is no Bush. Can anyone name ANY redeeming qualities of "The Donald"???
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He knows how to create jobs and wealth. He is the only candidate that has ever built or created a product or service that anyone has been willing to pay for
 
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This is the issue that we have the government today. Instead of the president of the United States simply being elected by the people (you know, since we are a democracy), we have big companies and lobbyists trying to control the process. I like Trump, but hey, whether voting Republican or Democrat in November, I hope we can all agree that nobody but we the people should have a say in who is elected our president.
 
I think the most recent administration has been far more dangerous and destructive. Look at the killing of Gaddafi and the unseating of Mubarak in Egypt. Both of those actions severely weakened the Middle East and caused many deaths. It lead to the creation and rise of ISIS, which Obama called "junior varsity". Look at the people that died from FAST AND FURIOUS. The American Embassy in Libya. The list is very long. And the horrible and expensive domestic policies that have crippled many working class families here at home. This has been the worst administration in American history.

That being said, I see very little difference between the two political parties. "Demicans and Republicrats" is really all we have now.

I like Trump as a candidate exactly because he is not the same old "professional politician" or lawyer turned politician. Professional politicians have turned America and the world into a virtual "S*** Stew".

The Iraq war created the conditions for ISIS/Daesh to popup. Bush was president.

Fast and Furious was not Obama's baby. It too was started by the Bush administration.

Benghazi was not an embassy. PLUS the GOP had slashed the budget for security.

Cheney let the oil companies write most of the 'rules of engagement' in the Middle East, and it devalued 'talk' in favor of 'action'. Blind action. Immature striking out at anything, and ignoring things like 'facts' and 'blowback'.

Bush was brash. Bush was illogical. Almost everything that his administration did was to bankrupt the country. To make it impossible to fund anything that benefited the citizens of this country, and flooded the corporations in select industries with tsunamis of cash. Pallets of cash were shipped to Iraq, and all of it disappeared. *POOF*

The 'private army' that flooded the Middle East smoked hundreds of billions of dollars. US Army soldiers getting $20k a year were working next to mercenaries making mid $100k money. Billions of dollars of armaments were left in the dessert and seized by enemy forces. The whole 'war' was so mismanaged... Deliberately...

Trump is the perfect follow-on to the ineptitude of the Bush administration.

Trump is an empty suit, propped up by bravado, and debt. I can see the appeal. I really can, but this is reality, and it's a whole lot more complicated than standing at a lectern gesturing about how big your penis is...
 
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This is the issue that we have the government today. Instead of the president of the United States simply being elected by the people (you know, since we are a democracy), we have big companies and lobbyists trying to control the process. I like Trump, but hey, whether voting Republican or Democrat in November, I hope we can all agree that nobody but we the people should have a say in who is elected our president.

Oh how I wish this were the case. I don't even have confidence that our votes are counted accurately. Voter fraud is rampant. We need better, stronger voter ID laws.
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The Iraq war created the conditions for ISIS/Daesh to popup. Bush was president.

Fast and Furious was not Obama's baby. It too was started by the Bush administration.

Benghazi was not an embassy. PLUS the GOP had slashed the budget for security.

Cheney let the oil companies write most of the 'rules of engagement' in the Middle East, and it devalued 'talk' in favor of 'action'. Blind action. Immature striking out at anything, and ignoring things like 'facts' and 'blowback'.

Bush was brash. Bush was illogical. Almost everything that his administration did was to bankrupt the country. To make it impossible to fund anything that benefited the citizens of this country, and flooded the corporations in select industries with tsunamis of cash. Pallets of cash were shipped to Iraq, and all of it disappeared. *POOF*

The 'private army' that flooded the Middle East smoked hundreds of billions of dollars. US Army soldiers getting $20k a year were working next to mercenaries making mid $100k money. Billions of dollars of armaments were left in the dessert and seized by enemy forces. The whole 'war' was so mismanaged... Deliberately...

Trump is the perfect follow-on to the ineptitude of the Bush administration.

Trump is an empty suit, propped up by bravado, and debt. I can see the appeal. I really can, but this is reality, and it's a whole lot more complicated than standing at a lectern gesturing about how big your penis is...

Much of what you said in the above statement is not true. Some of it is half truth. The Obama administration has been in the business of overthrowing Middle East governments and setting the whole region on fire. They removed Mubarak and placed a Muslim Brotherhood president in there, who was later overthrown by the people. They overthrew Gaddafi and the country exploded in violence. They WANT to overthrow Assad and that will lead to the same violence. We are lucky that Putin was there to stop that. Assad is a bad guy but the alternative would be much much worse.
 
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This is the issue that we have the government today. Instead of the president of the United States simply being elected by the people (you know, since we are a democracy), we have big companies and lobbyists trying to control the process. I like Trump, but hey, whether voting Republican or Democrat in November, I hope we can all agree that nobody but we the people should have a say in who is elected our president.

AND with money being ruled as 'speech', the involvement of foreign money in our elections can't be realistically denied.

They dance for money, and they will dance for who ever pays them.

THAT is the most damning thing of the past few years. The heavy involvment of unlimited, and secret, money in our political sewer. America is rapidly achieving third world despotic nation status...
 
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...Sometimes the people have no idea what's good for them.

but you do, correct?

The point to which you replied is as political a statement as your own. Politics is politics. An effort to install Trump is political. An effort to deter Trump is political.

Just because it's not spun out on C-SPAN like a debate in the House or Senate doesn't mean a "meeting" or "forum" is not a legitimate form of political activity.

The only thing that would not be legal about something in the AEI forum having to do with deterring Donald Trump is this: if someone suggested leaving the meeting immediately to commit violence upon him or incite someone else to do so.

I hasten to say I'm not a fan of AEI but like any other political junkie of course I'd love to see them stream their gigs onto the net. Never gonna happen!
 
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