Tim Cook, Tech CEOs and Top Republicans Attend Secretive Meeting About Donald Trump

[Larry-K]

It's not regressive. That's what they want you to think. You seem to forget the immediate 20-40% pay bump people would see by having 0 taxes taken out of their paycheck!

I'm poor and I spend $100 a week on groceries. 10% is $10.
I'm rich and I spend $300 a week on groceries. 10% is $30.
I'm poor and I take the bus for $30/week. 10% is $3
I'm rich and drive my Bentley and spend $200/week in gas. 10% is $20

And before you start the "nobody will buy anything" nonsense. People still need to eat. People still need to get to work, people still want "stuff".

And then the offshore nonsense. That happens today.

And instead of hating on the rich why not figure out how to get there and do it? BTW: Not rich here but I don't believe in the BS of class warfare or taking from someone to give to someone else.

You really have absolutely no idea how the real world works, do you?
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Errr, too much ignorance.... The potentially regressive nature of sales taxes are easily avoided by not taxing (or not taxing as much) things like basic food items, clothes and other necessities to survive. So, the higher the percentage of your spending goes to just basic needs the lower your tax burden is.
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Its not JUST a flat tax. Its a flat tax with one large standard deduction that depends on the size of the house hold and local cost of living (or it least it should with that last part). Think about it, say a 30% flat tax, but for a family of four you might have a deduction of say $60K. So if your family of four makes $100K, your actual tax burden is 12%.

There is too much ignorance, who does your taxes?

 

[Tycho24]

You are wrong. NH exit polls were eye-opening because it showed that despite the continued smear campaign and mainstream media attempt to portray Trump supporters as unwashed knuckle draggers Trump won every education demographic among voting Republicans.

Trump got the majority of those with degrees, post graduate degrees as well as those without a degree... but by all means keep lying in an attempt to portray your opponents as idiots even if you are going to get called out on it repeatedly.

Huh, I don't know about NH polls specifically (beyond the OVERWHELMING support of Bernie), but I do know that Google says it's dummies that support Trump (duh, smart people aren't bigots & don't want the entire world to hate them).
Here's a link from the top three hits of this Google search: "how intelligent are trump supporters?".
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...rump-supporters-are-uneducated-bigots-charts/
I hope the title doesn't offend you. (jk. I don't mind!)
But feel free to cherry pick "stats" in support of a literal terrible person.

 

[FieldingMellish]

Yes, of course.

You credibility is pretty low, given the recent (for me) discovery that you have no problem lying outright and publicly on the Internet to try and prove a point. Why should we believe what you post now?

You should learn how to debate without personal attack. It's unbecoming. It's also against forum rules.

 

[laurim]

Yes because turning it over to a community organizer who outsourced it to a bunch of wall street hacks has worked out so well for us.

Obama has been great for my life. My retirement accounts bounced back from the Bush recession and more. I make more money now. My insurance premiums cover more services. My house value is close to being back to normal. My gay friends have more civil rights and as a woman I haven't lost any despite the GOP's best efforts.

I don't know what problems you have but I doubt they are Obama's fault.

 

[pooleman]

Trump hasn't talked about deporting Muslims? All 11 million? WTF? Did you come out of your sound-proof cave just recently or what?

He has talked about deporting 11 million illegal immigrants. Not specifically Muslim. If your here illegally I say send them back. We can't afford them. Plain and simple.

 

[jettredmont]

I don't care in the least as I'm not being hateful in using it. It was a common variant in the past and is still used in a non-derogatory manner today. Don't try to deflect with pointless minutiae, either offer a refutation of my point or move on to other posts.

It is an important distinction because today, your "historical" spelling and attendant pronunciation is primarily and almost universally used by racist groups. The reason is that "Muslim" as it is generally pronounced means "one who gives himself to God" while "Moslem" as it is generally pronounced means "one who is evil and unjust". One can question the sanity of having two words in a language with such opposite meaning yet similar pronunciations, and further the wisdom of choosing one of those to describe adherents of your religion, but that is how the language is.

Not meaning to derail or clutter any conversation here (although this reply will appeal 15 pages after the post to which is is replying), as I'm sure was the case with the original poster's post too. But, words do have meaning and when describing a group of people it is civil and polite to use the term that that group prefers.

 

[pooleman]

Obama has been great for my life. My retirement accounts bounced back from the Bush recession and more. I make more money now. My insurance premiums cover more services. My house value is close to being back to normal. My gay friends have more civil rights and as a woman I haven't lost any despite the GOP's best efforts.

I don't know what problems you have but I doubt they are Obama's fault.

My health insurance premiums have gone way up and don't cover as much as they used to. Annual Deductibles have doubled for me.

The housing market was in the basement, it had no where to go but up.

 

[laurim]

He has talked about deporting 11 million illegal immigrants. Not specifically Muslim. If your here illegally I say send them back. We can't afford them. Plain and simple.

Ah, yes. You are right. He had the moronic idea to deport 11 million illegals. Which would tank our economy but oh, well.
Trump just wanted to register all Muslims. Which is why people started wearing the Jewish patches in protest. Kind of what started the Nazi theme.

 

[jimbobb24]

Republicans are really stressed about electing a loud mouth baffoon. Democrats seem really happy to nominate someone who clearly violated federal laws that non famous people go to jail for. Neither is fit to be president. Horrible options from both parties. What a pathetic group of losers.

 

[bradl]

The majority didn't want gay marriage. And while I am not taking a stance for or against it, the voice of the people should not have been silenced by a single activist judge.*

* I don't remember if it was a single judge or a 3 judge panel.

Yet those rights of the minority were trampled on, against what the 14th Amendment granted. As I said before, the rights of the minority should never be trampled over by the tyranny of the majority.

That is why this country is a Constitutional Republic, not a direct democracy. In a democracy, black people's ancestors would still be slaves; why? the majority supported slavery. In a democracy, minorities, including women, would not have had the right to vote; why? the majority supported white men only voting.

So please stop with this 'will of the people' crap. It's a horrid excuse.

BL.

 

[jettredmont]

He has talked about deporting 11 million illegal immigrants. Not specifically Muslim. If your here illegally I say send them back. We can't afford them. Plain and simple.

You are correct on the first line. Trump has said 11M undocumented immigrants should be sent back. But he has also said separately that all 2.75M Muslim adherents should be catalogued in a database, discriminated against, and restricted from returning into the country if they ever leave it. Not quite deportation, but effectively the same thing. And, I might add, 100% un-American by the lofty standards we espouse and strive towards.

 

[laurim]

My health insurance premiums have gone way up and don't cover as much as they used to. Annual Deductibles have doubled for me.

The housing market was in the basement, it had no where to go but up.

What did your old insurance cover the new one doesn't? You know you have the freedom to shop around. I didn't use the ACA exchanges, although I could have gotten a cheaper policy there. I stayed with the insurer I already had. It was already a high deductible plan, which I don't care about because I rarely go to the doctor and my insurance covers an office visit before deductible. I would have to get something major before I have to think about the deductible mattering.

 

[Larry-K]

Obama has been great for my life. My retirement accounts bounced back from the Bush recession and more. I make more money now. My insurance premiums cover more services. My house value is close to being back to normal. My gay friends have more civil rights and as a woman I haven't lost any despite the GOP's best efforts.

I don't know what problems you have but I doubt they are Obama's fault.

Why do people always forget Obama taught constitutional Law for over a decade?

I know we're not using the constitution much these days, but that still should count for something.

 

[FieldingMellish]

Yet those rights of the minority were trampled on, against what the 14th Amendment granted. As I said before, the rights of the minority should never be trampled over by the tyranny of the majority.

That is why this country is a Constitutional Republic, not a direct democracy. In a democracy, black people's ancestors would still be slaves; why? the majority supported slavery. In a democracy, minorities, including women, would not have had the right to vote; why? the majority supported white men only voting.

So please stop with this 'will of the people' crap. It's a horrid excuse.

BL.

Tyranny of the majority? Tyranny? C'mon.

Some would say the tail is wagging the dog.

 

[pooleman]

Ah, yes. You are right. He had the moronic idea to deport 11 million illegals. Which would tank our economy but oh, well.
Trump just wanted to register all Muslims. Which is why people started wearing the Jewish patches in protest. Kind of what started the Nazi theme.

Deporting all the illegals will not kill the economy. It will effect it however.

Americans will do the jobs that the illegals do now. The vegetables won't rot in the fields and the fruit won't dry up on the trees. Here's an idea.....deport the illegals and cut all unemployment. Tell the people on unemployment to work the jobs that the illegals were doing. Doing this will cause the economy to correct itself. With a little government regulation the effect would be minimal.

I remember in 2005 when gas hit $4.00 a gallon for the first time. All the food prices went up because the cost of transporting all the food went up. Well gas is way down now but the cost of food is still up. By all rights the cost of milk, butter, etc should have come down when gas came down. Well,mcosts could go up if Americans started picking it again, but the government could regulate that and even it out to where it should be.

Also, we could keep all the money in the USA that illegals send home to Mexico and elsewhere via western union and so on.

Begin mocking this post.....now.

 

[laurim]

Why do people always forget Obama taught constitutional Law for over a decade?

I know we're not using the constitution much these days, but that still should count for something.

They also forget that the Electoral College elects the President, not the popular vote. Which is how Bush got in despite Gore winning the most popular votes.

 

[usarioclave]

Why do people always forget Obama taught constitutional Law for over a decade?

That's why he went off and killed an American citizen overseas without due process...because he respects the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

 

[laurim]

Deporting all the illegals will not kill the economy. It will effect it however.

Americans will do the jobs that the illegals do now. The vegetables won't rot in the fields and the fruit won't dry up on the trees. Here's an idea.....deport the illegals and cut all unemployment. Tell the people on unemployment to work the jobs that the illegals were doing. Doing this will cause the economy to correct itself. With a little government regulation the effect would be minimal.

I remember in 2005 when gas hit $4.00 a gallon for the first time. All the food prices went up because the cost of transporting all the food went up. Well gas is way down now but the cost of food is still up. By all rights the cost of milk, butter, etc should have come down when gas came down. Well,mcosts could go up if Americans started picking it again, but the government could regulate that and even it out to where it should be.

Also, we could keep all the money in the USA that illegals send home to Mexico and elsewhere via western union and so on.

Begin mocking this post.....now.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ike-if-trump-deported-undocumented-immigrants

http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2015/09/14/trumps-plan-to-round-up-and-deport-11-million-immigrants-within-24-months-prohibitively-expensive/#423dade42b1e
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trumps-immigration-plan-would-wreck-havoc-on-us-society/2015/08/17/19703368-451d-11e5-8ab4-c73967a143d3_story.html

In short, there are more illegal immigrant jobs than there are jobless people to fill them. Even if you could get a jobless engineer to pick strawberries.

 

[jettredmont]

Part of being an adult is deciding for yourself how you wish to speak, to think, to feel and to be. If I wish to use a common spelling, irrespective of how that spelling has been turned into a catchword of political correctness, then I will do so. If that offends you, you can ignore me or block my posts.

The spelling has not been turned into a symbol or "catchword" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean)of political correctness.

It has always been derogatory, like calling Native Americans "red savages" and Asians "gooks".

As has been kindly pointed out to you, it is a simple matter of decency and courtesy to refer to a group by the name they chose, not some variant specifically chosen to aggravate or diminish them. Having had this pointed out, and you continuing to use a disgusting and hateful term and even defending that term, I can only assume that you are meaning to insult the 1.6 billion Muslim men and women in the world. As a result, I can only assume that you are a hateful racist *******.

 

[pooleman]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ike-if-trump-deported-undocumented-immigrants

I wouldnt trust anything written in this left wing rag. Sorry.
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That's why he went off and killed an American citizen overseas without due process...because he respects the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

And abuses executive orders.

And yes, I acknowledge that other presidents have abused it. I'm also opposed to this.

 

[laurim]

That's why he went off and killed an American citizen overseas without due process...because he respects the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

You mean the traitor that was executed before he could do more terrorism? I love how Obama is wrong when he is tough on terrorism and weak when he doesn't jump in willy nilly with our troops.

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I wouldnt trust anything written in this left wing rag. Sorry.
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And abuses executive orders.

And yes, I acknowledge that other presidents have abused it. I'm also opposed to this.

That's why I did 3 links because I knew you would reject anything even remotely liberal. Unfortunately, it's hard to find right wing sources with factual data.

 

[pooleman]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ike-if-trump-deported-undocumented-immigrants

http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2015/09/14/trumps-plan-to-round-up-and-deport-11-million-immigrants-within-24-months-prohibitively-expensive/#423dade42b1e
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trumps-immigration-plan-would-wreck-havoc-on-us-society/2015/08/17/19703368-451d-11e5-8ab4-c73967a143d3_story.html

In short, there are more illegal immigrant jobs than there are jobless people to fill them. Even if you could get a jobless engineer to pick strawberries.

It wouldn't crush us. And if it does crush the economy after we send them all back we can bring them back. I'm sure they'd be happy to come.

 

[997440]

....If we privately believe the majority has it wrong, the best we can hope for is, with our freedom of speech, through discussion to influence the viewpoint of those we think are misguided.

For a clearer understanding of the USA, see this post :

Yet those rights of the minority were trampled on, against what the 14th Amendment granted. As I said before, the rights of the minority should never be trampled over by the tyranny of the majority.

That is why this country is a Constitutional Republic, not a direct democracy. In a democracy, black people's ancestors would still be slaves; why? the majority supported slavery. In a democracy, minorities, including women, would not have had the right to vote; why? the majority supported white men only voting.

.....

BL.

You may or may not agree with some of the possible political implications of any particular issue you can garner from the post, but the importance of individual liberty is the essence of the US Constitution. That notion has taken quite a beating through the elastic "commerce clause", "necessary and proper" interpretation, "promote the general welfare" interpretation etc. Whatever the excuse used, Liberty has been the victim.

 

[laurim]

It wouldn't crush us. And if it does crush the economy after we send them all back we can bring them back. I'm sure they'd be happy to come.

You say that like we can just fly a Trump plane to Mexico and haul a bunch of people back in an instant. after 11 million people are yanked out of their homes and thrown into Mexico where they may or may not originally come from, why would they want to come back again? How about the enormous cost to do all this rounding up and sorting people out and transporting them back to where they came from? Great for the transportation industry, I suppose. Can't wait to pay more taxes for that!

 

[pooleman]

You mean the traitor that was executed before he could do more terrorism?
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That's why I did 3 links because I knew you would reject anything even remotely liberal. Unfortunately, it's hard to find right wing sources with factual data.

That last line is a low blow. I will read your articles. For the record I despise Rush Limbaugh and FoxNews as strongly as I despise Racheal Maddow and MSNBC. I truly do try to find the truth in all issues, not the spin that is spat out by one side or another.

I'm not sure where I land on the terrorist who was killed. On one side he was a traitorous scum bag who deserved what he got. On the other side he was an American who should have been afford the rights of a fair trial.

What I find "amusing" is that the great "constitutional scholar" in the White House robs the American citizen terrorist due process but wants to give the full rights of the judicial process to non citizen terrorist being held at GITMO.
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You say that like we can just fly a Trump plane to Mexico and haul a bunch of people back in an instant. after 11 million people are yanked out of their homes and thrown into Mexico where they may or may not originally come from, why would they want to come back again? How about the enormous cost to do all this rounding up and sorting people out and transporting them back to where they came from? Great for the transportation industry, I suppose. Can't wait to pay more taxes for that!

I think it's safe to say that wether it's a dem or a pube in the White House, our taxes have increased, our benefits have decreased, and our debt is through the roof. Everything we have tried has made things worse. What I said above was tongue in cheek. I really want our country run like I run my house:

Don't spend more than you bring in

.....ill finish this later. I'm
Home from work now and my wife is getting upset that my nose is in this phone.