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"As an adult, I have the right to act like a racist child".

And most humans (as opposed to robots and paid performers) need that right occasionally.

You can tell a lawyer is lying when their lips are moving. And many voters are now assuming that politicians who speak like they are reciting only PC-vetted legal statements are also lying. Thus their preference for a slightly more honest sounding jerk. Note that a large percentage of the adult population might just be jerks themselves occasionally. They have the right to vote for a fellow jerk.

Consider the 1st Amendment.
 
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That last line is a low blow. I will read your articles. For the record I despise Rush Limbaugh and FoxNews as strongly as I despise Racheal Maddow and MSNBC. I truly do try to find the truth in all issues, not the spin that is spat out by one side or another.

I'm not sure where I land on the terrorist who was killed. On one side he was a traitorous scum bag who deserved what he got. On the other side he was an American who should have been afford the rights of a fair trial.

What I find "amusing" is that the great "constitutional scholar" in the White House robs the American citizen terrorist due process but wants to give the full rights of the judicial process to non citizen terrorist being held at GITMO.

I believe the concept of "imminent threat" came into play. And many of the people left in Gitmo don't even have charges filed against them and are eligible for release but we can't find another country to send them to. Gitmo is just a thing for ISIS to point to in their propaganda. It doesn't keep us safer in any way.
 
They also forget that the Electoral College elects the President, not the popular vote. Which is how Bush got in despite Gore winning the most popular votes.
I believe you can lay that disaster at the feet of SCOTUS.
 
I believe the concept of "imminent threat" came into play. And many of the people left in Gitmo don't even have charges filed against them and are eligible for release but we can't find another country to send them to. Gitmo is just a thing for ISIS to point to in their propaganda. It doesn't keep us safer in any way.

I believe the "GITMO is an ISIS training tool" is a false story. Many many of the GITMO detainees who have been released have been caught actively recruiting for ISIS and the other terrorist outfits. So which is more dangerous, having GITMO as a passive recruiting tool or releasing active recruiters.
 
I believe you can lay that disaster at the feet of SCOTUS.

I lay it at Jeb Bush and his gov for rigging the Florida results for his brother and the hanging chad BS.
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I believe the "GITMO is an ISIS training tool" is a false story. Many many of the GITMO detainees who have been released have been caught actively recruiting for ISIS and the other terrorist outfits. So which is more dangerous, having GITMO as a passive recruiting tool or releasing active recruiters.

Actually, and I know you won't believe this either, it has been determined that only a few of Gitmo releases went back to doing anything remotely terrorist-related. And what does that have to do with prosecuting the ones we have, locking up the ones who are convicted and releasing the rest? We have other terrorists in US prisons. What's the difference?
 
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That's why he went off and killed an American citizen overseas without due process...because he respects the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
At least I'm fairly certain, he's actually read. Can't say the same for his oppostition.
 
Yes, he could have simply invested his money and sat back like a wealthy do-nothing oaf and he would have a higher net worth today.

Of course hindsight is always 20/20 so easier for people to sneer about it now.

There's also the small matter of his having gainfully employed 10's of thousands of people through his direct actions as a business owner, something that wealthy playboy Rockefellers, Rothchilds and others who donate heavily to political causes know very little about.


I think he got $1 Million approximately. Are you sure it would have ended up being worth multi Billions of dollars?

Or are you saying he got more than $1 Million?

Just curious about this one.
 
Right, so a group of people get to decide on who we can vote for, which leads to endless homogenization toward an agenda that we're not privy too. If politicians and other leaders weren't so obviously in it for themselves, caring about their own interests, Trump, Sanders, and a populist message would not have this platform.

Sure both parties would rather run the candidate their leaders think best represent the party's platform. Both parties ARE political parties and each does have a platform and does have rules that it sets up hoping to reflect not only its constituents' interests but the leadership's forward guidance. What's happening now in each party is instructive.

Look at the differences in reactions to Trump and to Sanders, respectively. Each major party is concerned about an excess of populism. Having formal ways of damping or diluting such a wave is a normal attribute in behavior of political parties in all representative democracies. The situations of the two parties are different and in turn their options and their chosen paths are different as well. Nonetheless the leadership of both parties strives to modify somewhat the surge of populism that has sprung from both left and right to support candidates in 2016.

Democrats: The reaction to Sanders is that the platform of the preferred nominee is shifting a little towards that of Sanders. He may not get the nomination and there may or may not be movement of superdelegates towards him, but the party gets the message that their nominee's original stance on issues does not represent the core values of around half the party's activists (i.e. primary-voting members). Do not imagine that the progressive wing of the Democrats in Congress next term will be so docile as Pelosi and Reid have managed to keep them so far. That's even if who runs as the Democrat is a Hillary Clinton, the party-preferred nominee who was originally expected to represent more or less an extension of President Obama's policies as they evolved during his two terms in office. The superdelegates can ensure her nomination if they wish or believe they need to do so, but they will be standing up a different candidate than she was at the outset of the primary season.

Republicans: The reaction to Trump's overriding popularity in an originally crowded Republican field is that the party is freaking out and imploding. There was no preferred nominee in that huge field but there have been strong preferences for a traditional conservative nominee and for a hard-right conservative nominee, roughly reflecting Republican Congressional factions. Trump is actually neither of those. Trump is Trump, so far running as a populist under the Republican banner. He may or may not get the nomination but the potential electorate is getting the message that the party leadership does not accept that Trump represents the party's core values.

The Republicans are aghast that the dark side they've blithely courted for decades has re-energized some supporters so bigoted and hateful that even Trump has had to disavow. The leadership have not said they will try to broker a convention but they've pretty much indicated if Trump is their nominee then they will run someone else as a third party. That's pretty amazing for a party effectively to choose defeat over endorsing a candidate they believe does not represent their core conservative values -- leaving aside the hot button positions they've used for so long to attract a large part of their base. The effect of the party leadership not supporting a popular nominee is unknown in modern times. But the party is basically telling some of its potential electorate to take a hike, which may result in a formal fracture of the party into at least two parties.

The Democratic leadership on the other hand are annoyed that their progressive wing has decided not to sit out another round of elections, having dutifully acceded to Pelosi and Reid's calls to get with the program all this time. But their approach so far has been to stick with the leadership-chosen nominee while allowing a shift in policies outlined for the future. It remains to be seen what will happen if Sanders' appeal continues to rack up pledged delegates. The superdelegates are free to change their position as they see fit during the primary season. If they do not swing to Sanders then Clinton will be the nominee. It's likely that Sanders will then urge his delegates to get behind Clinton on the grounds that she has been caused to move far enough to the left during primary contests to improve chances for more progressive government if she wins the general election.
 
I believe the "GITMO is an ISIS training tool" is a false story. Many many of the GITMO detainees who have been released have been caught actively recruiting for ISIS and the other terrorist outfits. So which is more dangerous, having GITMO as a passive recruiting tool or releasing active recruiters.

I think the better choice would be to avoid any potential issues by putting more care into who we capture. Deal with our enemies, without creating new ones in the process.

Think of it like this, your brother is pretty crazy, wants to go out and kill infidels. Generally, he's kind of a bastard. You, on the other hand, are pretty moderate. You just want to live your life, and avoid the bloodshed and politics. But then one day the army shows up at your front door, captures you, and sends you to live 6 years of your life in a legal limbo detainment camp in Cuba. All because you're only a hop, skip, and a jump away from your crazy brother, and have been deemed a threat against a foreign nation.

I can guarantee that when you get out, you won't be nearly so moderate as you were going in.
 
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While that may be correct, in a true democracy, the people are always right, perhaps misguided, but always right as the will of the majority shall prevail. The alternative would be a dictatorship or communism where the will of one person or a handful of people, is imposed upon the rest of the population, and freedom or personal choices are severely restricted.

While democracy may not be 100% perfect, it allows the human spirit to soar, and enables individuals to reach their maximum potential. Democracies the world over are a beacon of hope for humankind, and this regularly becomes painfully obvious, when we see yet another example of those living under tyranny being prepared to leave all their worldly possessions behind and risk life and limb to join the way of life we usually take for granted.

Democracy is an all-or-nothing proposition. We unfortunately can't cherry-pick those aspects of democracy we like, while discarding those we disagree with. If we privately believe the majority has it wrong, the best we can hope for is, with our freedom of speech, through discussion to influence the viewpoint of those we think are misguided.

True democracies are terrifying. The tyranny of the majority can always prevail.

That's why I am a republican (with a small R! ), as Republics (like the USA in this case, or Ireland my country) have constitutions that give every citizens essential rights that cannot be infringed upon. That way 60% of the people can't just vote to execute 40% of the others for being different somehow, to give an extreme example.
 
I think he got $1 Million approximately. Are you sure it would have ended up being worth multi Billions of dollars?

Or are you saying he got more than $1 Million?

Just curious about this one.

Trump got a million dollar loan and all his father's important contacts (which people don't understand is more valuable than money). Trump also got his share of the $200 million business his father left when he died. I believe it was split amongst four siblings.
 
Ah, yes. You are right. He had the moronic idea to deport 11 million illegals. Which would tank our economy ...

Not at all, if most of these people came back legally (background criminal and medical checks, housing waiting for them, jobs waiting for them that could not be filled by enough currently job-hunting and out-of-work U.S. citizens, etc.), the U.S. economy might actually improve. And I hope you are not advocating a local economy based exploitive employers on paying immigrants below minimum wage or unreported income.
 
I lay it at Jeb Bush and his gov for rigging the Florida results for his brother and the hanging chad BS.
A functioning unbiased SCOTUS would have resolved the issue, rather than discarded the opportunity to do so.

Calling Florida problematic (I'm being very polite), is like calling a kettle black. I really don't expect anything from that state besides mosquito-induced encephalitis.
 
I lay it at Jeb Bush and his gov for rigging the Florida results for his brother and the hanging chad BS.
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Actually, and I know you won't believe this either, it has been determined that only a few of Gitmo releases went back to doing anything remotely terrorist-related. And what does that have to do with prosecuting the ones we have, locking up the ones who are convicted and releasing the rest? We have other terrorists in US prisons. What's the difference?

Not trying to be argumentative but I just saw this.....

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/2...detainees-suspected-of-reengaging-in-terrorim
 
Huh, I don't know about NH polls specifically (beyond the OVERWHELMING support of Bernie), but I do know that Google says it's dummies that support Trump (duh, smart people aren't bigots & don't want the entire world to hate them).
Here's a link from the top three hits of this Google search: "how intelligent are trump supporters?".
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...rump-supporters-are-uneducated-bigots-charts/
I hope the title doesn't offend you. (jk. I don't mind!)
But feel free to cherry pick "stats" in support of a literal terrible person.

Okay, so instead of going with actual results from actual voters who actually voted you are going to go with an "article" from "addicting info.org".

And Trump supporters are the idiots? Got it.
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I think he got $1 Million approximately. Are you sure it would have ended up being worth multi Billions of dollars?

Or are you saying he got more than $1 Million?

Just curious about this one.

He initially got a loan from his father of about $1M (or, as pointed out about $6M in today's dollars and he did later pay the loan back) and later he got an inheritance of about $200M (not chump change).

However, it still doesn't change the fact that overall his business ventures have been successful and he has greatly increased his wealth AS WELL as employing thousands, something that very few politicians have any actual experience in other than growing the federal bureaucracy and "creating jobs" on the backs of taxpayers.
 
Trump is a self made man. Don't forget it. He took a relatively small amount of money and grew it into a huge fortune. We all try to do this. We all try to grow our personal wealth. Why should I hate someone who has grown it better than me?

Self-made if that definition includes $200 million from your dad. But other than that, pulled himself up by his golden Guccis...from being so downtrodden and destitute. Are you seriously calling that a small amount of money?

Nobody I've seen hates the man because of his money. So many other reasons.
 
And most humans (as opposed to robots and paid performers) need that right occasionally.

You can tell a lawyer is lying when their lips are moving. And many voters are now assuming that politicians who speak like they are reciting only PC-vetted legal statements are also lying. Thus their preference for a slightly more honest sounding jerk. Note that a large percentage of the adult population might just be jerks themselves occasionally. They have the right to vote for a fellow jerk.

Consider the 1st Amendment.
Do people not learn about the first amendment? The first amendment protects people from government persecution not criticism.

I reserve the right to call out a child for what he is: a child. He has made it completely clear his opinion is worthless, and I am personally not forbidden from doing anything in the name of his first amendment rights.
 
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Not at all, if most of these people came back legally (background criminal and medical checks, housing waiting for them, jobs waiting for them that could not be filled by enough currently job-hunting and out-of-work U.S. citizens, etc.), the U.S. economy might actually improve. And I hope you are not advocating a local economy based exploitive employers on paying immigrants below minimum wage or unreported income.

I'm for not uprooting all these people's lives. Do what you said for the people who are already here. They already have an employer and a place to live. And MAKE the employers do all the paperwork and proper wages to make them legal guest workers. The only reason there are illegal immigrants is because there are illegal employers. I don't necessarily think they should get the minimum wage until they are full citizens but they should get a reasonable wage and the rest of us will have to deal with more expensive products, assuming the companies don't just absorb the difference to remain competitive. With the number of jobless people who are too full of themselves to work a relatively cushy job like McDonald's I highly doubt too many Americans will be lining up to pick strawberries. Sure, it's fun to take the kids out to pick a basket once a year but no spoiled American is going to do it all day long forever.
 
Trump got a million dollar loan and all his father's important contacts (which people don't understand is more valuable than money). Trump also got his share of the $200 million business his father left when he died. I believe it was split amongst four siblings.

OK, but I don't see that turning onto 4 Billion or 10 Billion in 30 years on a S&P 500 indexed fund, so can you run that one by me again? Even with zero capital gains tax, I don't see it.

Just a fact check.

His father's estate was $200 Million liquid cash tax free?
 
Self-made if that definition includes $200 million from your dad. But other than that, pulled himself up by his golden Guccis...from being so downtrodden and destitute. Are you seriously calling that a small amount of money?

Nobody I've seen hates the man because of his money. So many other reasons.

It's a small amount compared to what he produced. He also paid it all back to his father. My parents gave me a loan as well, which I grew and paid back. It's the same thing.
 
OK, but I don't see that turning onto 4 Billion or 10 Billion in 30 years on a S&P 500 indexed fund, so can you run that one by me again? Even with zero capital gains tax, I don't see it.

Just a fact check.

http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/

Forbes actually starts over 30 years ago when Trump claimed to be worth $500 million and he would be worth $20 billion if he had simply invested in the S&P 500:

The math

Imagine Trump had retired in 1982, sold his real estate holdings and invested his $500 million in the S&P 500 — that is, 500 stocks representing the American stock market.

From 1982 through the end of 2014, the S&P 500 index had an annualized return, including reinvested dividends, of 11.86 percent, according to MoneyChimp’s S&P 500 Compound Annual Growth Rate calculator.

Per this calculator, every dollar invested in January 1982 would have been worth $40 by December of 2014. That means Trump’s initial $500 million would have grown to $20 billion. That’s twice what Trump says he’s worth today.
 
http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/

Forbes actually starts over 30 years ago when Trump claimed to be worth $500 million and he would be worth $20 billion if he had simply invested in the S&P 500:

The math

Imagine Trump had retired in 1982, sold his real estate holdings and invested his $500 million in the S&P 500 — that is, 500 stocks representing the American stock market.

From 1982 through the end of 2014, the S&P 500 index had an annualized return, including reinvested dividends, of 11.86 percent, according to MoneyChimp’s S&P 500 Compound Annual Growth Rate calculator.

Per this calculator, every dollar invested in January 1982 would have been worth $40 by December of 2014. That means Trump’s initial $500 million would have grown to $20 billion. That’s twice what Trump says he’s worth today.

So what's the point here?
 
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I'm for not uprooting all these people's lives. Do what you said for the people who are already here.

Here, but technically illegally.

There are tons of people who are ahead of them in line, the ones who have already applied for legal visas and are ready to pay the needed fees themselves. You want to scr*w them, and instead reward line-jumpers? At our expense for the fees?

What next? Bailing-out rich Wall St. bankers so as to not uproot their gilded lives?
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This is the reason why I think he can do something good for the country. He knows about paying off politicians and all the dirty business. ...

Excellent point. The voters can now choose between someone who knows how to pay off power brokers, or one of those who has been on the receiving end of the payola (HRC anyone?).
 
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Americans elected George W. Bush, TWICE. Trump isn't the president Americans need, he's a president they deserve.
They also voted for Barry The Deceiver twice as well, proving that lying and corruption pays off. Monsanto has been very happy with the Organic eating King
 
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