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Trump is the best thing that's happened for politics.... If you're on the Liberal side. No way he can win a general election so that pretty much guarantees a Dem in the WH..... they are all crooks but at least one side of the crooks leans more towards helping citizens and the other big business.... I say help citizens.
 
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The majority of certain southern states wanted slavery. What's your point?

Are you equating slavery to gay marriage? How insensitive of you. You have just minimized the suffering of an entire race of human beings.

Shame.
Shame
Shaaaaaaaaaaame!!!!!
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so you feel that it's ok for the majority to decide how another person should live their life?

How do you think every law in this country is passed. A "majority" of the house and the senate vote on a bill and then it is signed into law. The majority decide how the rest of us will live.
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He's actually not a good businessman because he couldn't outperform what he should have gotten?

One could argue that he wasn't as greedy as he could have been. From that perspective all the line on here should be praising his name.
 
As much as I don't want him to be president, watching Trump's rambling victory speech he called Cruz "lying Ted" and Rubio "little Marco". That's priceless!

EDIT - and some of the stuff he says does make sense! Someone needs to be tough on China who run roughshod over the rules Western countries have to follow, and the US healthcare system is a mess!
 
As much as I don't want him to be president, watching Trump's rambling victory speech he called Cruz "lying Ted" and Rubio "little Marco". That's priceless!

EDIT - and some of the stuff he says does make sense! Someone needs to be tough on China who run roughshod over the rules Western countries have to follow, and the US healthcare system is a mess!


He could have called Rubio his little Wienerschnitzel.
 
Based on your own links provided the US has the systems in place to safeguard against the made up "tyranny of the majority".

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Just on the subject of "tyranny of the majority" --
The fear of tyranny of the majority was real, thus the Constitution's efforts toward protecting individual rights. From Madison to Jefferson discussing the Bill of Rights :
....[E]xperience proves the inefficacy of a bill of rights on those occasions when its controul is most needed. Repeated violations of these parchment barriers have been committed by overbearing majorities in every State....Wherever the real power in a Government lies, there is the danger of oppression. In our Governments, the real power lies in the majority of the Community, and the invasion of private rights is chiefly to be apprehended, not from the acts of Government contrary to the sense of its constituents, but from acts in which the Government is the mere instrument of the major number of the constituents. – Letter to Thomas Jefferson (1788-10-17)....
http://law.onecle.com/constitution/018-bill-of-rights.html
(See sec.8 (4) of the shaded section.)








 
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That would be the ideal scenario.
This...
The POTUS is becoming more of a figurehead. Congress still pretty much controls what happens (or doesn't).
The general population has just become insensitive to the day to day (un)actions of Congress.
Unless it's pork barrel politics or NIMBY, they just don't care. I guess this is where Trump is leaning on the 'poorly educated' to propel him to a win.
The size and diversity of our population has led us to this edge of the cliff. Not that it is a bad thing, but maybe the scales need to be tipped back to the average American.
I have voted in many elections, but my status in life is what I make of it and make decisions that are best for me.
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Again, I don't mind gridlock - Trump golfing for 4 years is better than what we have now. I just want the H-1B visa program shut down. To many tech workers are being shafted by the injection of low cost labor in the US labor market. (Please see my earlier posts). When the Apple/Facebook/Google oligarch society is playing fairly in the US tech labor market, then I'll think about where this country needs to go next.. until then I don't care about my failed country - not in the least bit.

At this point, i would agree with you. I live in an area where Intel has a 7,000 person campus. Now don't get me wrong, as I do believe in diversity, but the influx of H-1B visas in my area has caused the rental market to increase by 10% while not allowing for many locally educated persons to gain employment.
 
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Are you equating slavery to gay marriage? How insensitive of you. You have just minimized the suffering of an entire race of human beings.

Shame.
Shame
Shaaaaaaaaaaame!!!!!
Neither slaves would be freed nor would homosexuals have the right to marry if the rights of the minority were left to a popular vote. Don't try to hide behind unfounded claims.
 
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make? A cap on net profit margin doesn't impact a company's ability to generate revenue or compete on price etc...

Let's try a example:

If Apple's excessive net profits were capped, they would have ZERO capability to generate revenue or compete in anything.

That's because Apple would have gone bankrupt in the mid-1990's without Billions of decadently excessive profits from the Apple II product line in the bank. (The came really close about the time Jobs returned.)

Same is true for a large number of current tech companies. Lots of moderately profitable companies just vanish during downturns.

Most U.S. university and public employee pension fund venture capital units would also be broke or near broke if not for a few obscenely profitable corporate investments in the portfolio to make up for all the other loses. Thus leaving vast numbers of old retired people poorer.

Nice recipe for a dead economy. That's why the most honest decent one in the whole bunch (Bernie) would ruin the country if elected. He's not a businessman.
 
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But the bigger indication of his success is a fact that most people take the exact opposite way from what it indicates: that Trump has survived several business bankruptcies, and still come out way ahead. That's the mark of a real businessman, one willing to take risks, but win overall in the end.
Two Words: "Trump Steaks".

His greatest bankruptcy is a moral one.
 
Excellent point. The voters can now choose between someone who knows how to pay off power brokers said:
The Forbes article started when he had $500 million and he got to $20 billion. A different article used his declared worth of $200 million in the '70s and if he had simply invested that money way back then, he would be worth $12 billion. The article also points out people in a similar life trajectory now have way more wealth than he. At any rate, the point is, he isn't the business genius he claims. How is he a good businessman when he has so many failed businesses, four company bankruptcies (where he had to sell off his assets to make payments), being sued for a bogus university, being sued for taking people's money for luxury condos and then not finishing the projects, etc. etc. Nowadays, much of his money is earned just for licensing his name to other people to give them a sheen of success. But that sheen is worth the same as all the brass he uses in his buildings to pretend it is gold.


Alright, I guess I agree that even I could make Billions from Millions. I think Trump tries to make it look like he started with $1 Million - which is still a very nice point to start for anyone today let alone 30 years ago.

Anyway, I don't care that much, I was just curious about the calculations. What I learned here is that he seems to have been a multimillionaire for longer than I thought :)
 
Trump is the most likely to shut down the H-1B cheap tech labor source because he is not in their pocket like Hillary and the rest. Glad these oligarchs are running scared.
H1b is not cheap labor, it is skilled worker visa. any company that gets an h1b have to submit proof that this person is paid within market bands.

some 'professionals' a re pissed because someone from a country thousands of miles away comes over, does a great job and 'steals' their jobs, or worse yet becomes their boss, all legal. They one day can become citizens too, without the need for anchor baby or marriage
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Alright, I guess I agree that even I could make Billions from Millions. I think Trump tries to make it look like he started with $1 Million - which is still a very nice point to start for anyone today let alone 30 years ago.

Anyway, I don't care that much, I was just curious about the calculations. What I learned here is that he seems to have been a multimillionaire for longer than I thought :)
correct! It's actually 40 years not 30. A million in 1975 is over $4 billion dollars in today's money, just check inflation calculator

1975 was the year Mr John Bogle started the Vanguard group and the world first index fund for investors ; if trump put that money in the Vanguard 500 and stayed home, he would have been worth 11 billion dollars more today than he actually is
 
I don't agree with Trump and his policies, but I find it interesting the lengths to which important people are going in order to stop him from being president.

He may not be fit to be president, but at the end of the day it's a democracy and people are supporting him.
I think a lot of things are subjective, but this is a special case...if he were elected president it would prove democracy is a failed system
 
...if he were elected president it would prove democracy is a failed system

Whoever is elected has a long way to go before they fail as badly as Tea Pot Dome, Bay of Pigs, or Watergate. Yet democracy survives.

And who said something like: "Democracy is the absolutely worst system... except for everything else humans have tried."
 
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I think a lot of things are subjective, but this is a special case...if he were elected president it would prove democracy is a failed system

It's better to accept a good but ultimately imperfect system that produces the occasional bad result than it is to try and replace it with something that strips people of their agency in order to better protect them from themselves.

...man, I need to find a way to get that into a fortune cookie.
 
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I was in a restuarant over the weekend. In the background there was a TV on CNN. The volume was off, there were subtitles but I didn't read the. The thought popped into my head "here is the next Hilter rising to power". This isn't really a conscious though I've ever justified in my head.

I'm a fiscal conservative, I don't think Trump will be the end of the world- thankfully powers are divided, but I can't see much good coming from his presidency. I see more division than unity. Much of the elected GOP doesn't like him and the obviously Democrats don't like him.
 
It's better to accept a good but ultimately imperfect system that produces the occasional bad result than it is to try and replace it with something that strips people of their agency in order to better protect them from themselves.

...man, I need to find a way to get that into a fortune cookie.
Or hallmark cards. Don't forget. Those things practically write themselves.

At this point and after experiencing all that comes with stupid people, I don't believe in democracy as much as I used to. I like that democracy is a kind of...check against corruption but at the same time, we aren't an informed public. We are an emotional reactionary "I'm on this team like it's football" kinda voting public. My confidence in the voting system is zero at this point
 
How could you call something, people are so eager to buy, a failure?
I don't think popularity contests usher in speedy enough change. Just my opinion. When a president or a candidate has to spend most of his time pandering to people who are too stupid to inform themselves on ANY of the issues, yeah...a lot of it is a waste of time. I have a lot of stupid opinions that I wouldn't expect anyone to agree with

I also think people need to stop having kids. Overpopulation is a thing and pretty soon we are going to be using up our resources and need the equivalent of two earths to sustain us at this pace.

I also think education in some form should be mandatory. I also think the entire structure of society is completely wrong and we are in a Wild West right now.

So yeah. Being told I'm wrong on something wouldn't exactly be a new thing
 
Or hallmark cards. Don't forget. Those things practically write themselves.

At this point and after experiencing all that comes with stupid people, I don't believe in democracy as much as I used to. I like that democracy is a kind of...check against corruption but at the same time, we aren't an informed public. We are an emotional reactionary "I'm on this team like it's football" kinda voting public. My confidence in the voting system is zero at this point

Look at it like this: it's not democracy you have a problem with exactly, so much as it is the conditions in society where it can fail. Our democracy has always been a fragile thing, and its flaws and downsides have been studied and pondered upon by people smarter than us for who knows how long now. In the end, all it takes is one charming demagogue to show up during scary times to turn it all upside down.

But at the same time, there really is no better choice in government for a free society. For good or ill, you have to allow people to be in charge of their own destinies, and accept the fact it won't always work out for the best. Really, when you get right down to it, all western governments tend to be about mitigation than perfection. They try to maximize freedoms, and hope everyone else comes out in the wash once everything else is said and done.

It's worked spectacularly for us so far, bumpy roads and BS aside. But right now, we're living in scary, unsure times, and that's when the system is strained its most. When people are most willing to sell out their freedoms to the first loudmouth who comes their way and offers something that looks like safety and comfort. It's times like this when you need to be fighting for it the most, because we've seen the alternatives, and they're a helluva lot less pretty.
 
Trump is the most likely to shut down the H-1B cheap tech labor source because he is not in their pocket like Hillary and the rest. Glad these oligarchs are running scared.
You mean the immigrants that work cheaply for him don't have an H-1B visa.
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If you read about Hitler you'll learn he wasn't democratically elected in a landslide, he was "elected" largely through threats and physical intimidation of the S.A., aka brown shirts, the forerunner of the Nazi party he was in.
Trump thinks that protesters against him should be carried away in a stretcher. At least that's what he said on TV. But it's probably not his fault, it was just wrongly reported.
 
A "small loan" of $6.8 million in today's dollars, his father as co-signer for $70 million more, and an ultimate inheritance of over $200 million. There is nothing about Donald Trump that is "self-made". He is a product of inter-generational wealth.

"I love the poorly educated" - Donald Trump

It's true he had money but he made plenty more and employs thousands - a good contribution to society
 
I can see Drumpf president. Hillary and Sanders seem just too weak, no enthusiasm. 2012 Obama and Romney were so much worthy competitors.
 
These Nazi/Hitler comparisons are getting tiring, even for liberal ideologues. Donald Trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he doesn't care about the color of someone's skin but the content of their character. Securing our borders, limiting immigration (both legal and illegal) and deporting criminals is NOT anything like what Adolph Hitler did.

I find it amusing that in almost any mainstream blog like Macrumors you will find lots of news "stories" from extreme left wing rags like Huffington Post and you will virtually never run into anything that is either centrist or *gasp* right leaning.

For liberals, here's the mystery of Trump's appeal unraveled.... the quiet majority of Americans are appalled with the direction our country has taken over the past several decades under the watch of both political parties.... Trump is their bloodless rebellion.

Deal with it.

Donald Trump is winning these Republican races because people are voting for him.
Or hallmark cards. Don't forget. Those things practically write themselves.

At this point and after experiencing all that comes with stupid people, I don't believe in democracy as much as I used to. I like that democracy is a kind of...check against corruption but at the same time, we aren't an informed public. We are an emotional reactionary "I'm on this team like it's football" kinda voting public. My confidence in the voting system is zero at this point

Many feel that way, but please don't stop voting. You can't let it get you down, because there's too much at stake. The presidential primaries are important, but there are many judicial elections, DA posts, tax levies, and other local and state government candidates and issues which can have more subtle, but "more impacting your life" effects. And you know where a lot of people get their start? Those little Soil and Water Conservation District positions, and they work their way up the ladder. The next thing you know, you've got bike lanes and rain-swales, but potholes and roads aren't getting fixed and your bridges and infrastructure are crumbling, or that person from the Water Bureau is suddenly in your State Legislature, or your Treasurer runs for Governor. Every vote matters. Just think of them as things in your System Folder. Just hope it isn't malware.

Chin up, sport!
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Look at it like this: it's not democracy you have a problem with exactly, so much as it is the conditions in society where it can fail. Our democracy has always been a fragile thing, and its flaws and downsides have been studied and pondered upon by people smarter than us for who knows how long now. In the end, all it takes is one charming demagogue to show up during scary times to turn it all upside down.

But at the same time, there really is no better choice in government for a free society. For good or ill, you have to allow people to be in charge of their own destinies, and accept the fact it won't always work out for the best. Really, when you get right down to it, all western governments tend to be about mitigation than perfection. They try to maximize freedoms, and hope everyone else comes out in the wash once everything else is said and done.

It's worked spectacularly for us so far, bumpy roads and BS aside. But right now, we're living in scary, unsure times, and that's when the system is strained its most. When people are most willing to sell out their freedoms to the first loudmouth who comes their way and offers something that looks like safety and comfort. It's times like this when you need to be fighting for it the most, because we've seen the alternatives, and they're a helluva lot less pretty.


If you had to vote -right now- and your choice is A: Donald Trump or B: Sarah Palin, who would you pick? (No abstentions allowed.) Go.
 
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