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I can't understand these comments that attack Apple's quality or features. What company offers better quality and features for less money? Apple isn't perfect, of course, but they're damn good. Look at Face ID. You might think that's a gimmick. Maybe it's not a must-have feature, but seeing as it's the only secure face ID tech on the market (and shockingly reliable), it's far from a gimmick. Everyone's a critic when you're the best I guess.

FaceID is an interesting case. It has created the very ugly notch, and by all accounts TouchID worked fine. I wish Apple would fix things that are broken rather than fiddling with things that aren't.
 
I know I did I bought a Surface Book 2.
Mac Book pro 15" with crappy touch bar and keyboard and then the high price finally gave me the reason to say screw it all with Apple.
The Mac Pro will be another huge price so didn't bother waiting for that anymore either.

The products are too expensive and given there are now very suitable alternatives from other manufacturers at a fraction of the price it's showing that customers are voting with their feet.
 
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Yep, Apple's problem in a nutshell. It's still very much a one trick pony whose relevance is tied to the continuing success of the iPhone. In fact, as yet perhaps not a 'problem' but certainly a weakness, and one aggravated by the fact that they are currently milking this very important product line for profit rather than continuing to nurture it and try to keep it growing...

My worry will be kids. When the 'cool factor' leaves, the kids leave. When they leave, the revenue leaves. Nothing stays hot in their eyes for long.
 
Alternatively they could reduce the price of their product lines to increase sales. It would still be a premium brand if they dropped prices by $100 or so!

Having said that, I wish I was concerned over only $84 billion revenue in a single quarter :eek:

No, people are not gonna buy more if they reduce prices.

Prices can be a little bit lower. but there is absolutely no reason to believe that sales would skyrocket if Apple decreased the prices.
 
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There is a reason for the price increases. We know this because the average product margin is unchanged from previous iPhones. The phones are much more expensive to make.

These are phones you’re supposed to keep for three to four years, which makes sense in a mature smartphone market.

If you’re praying to Apple to drop prices so you can upgrade your phone every year, get over it. Phones are like Macs now. Buy it, take care of it, upgrade later.

Phones are like Macs now? So Apple will release an update once every 5 years and they will fail from specs of dust? Talk about needing to get over it... get over yourself, your constant all hail apple attitude is getting really old. People have legitimate problems with the way they are currently running the company.
 
I don't know what Apple expects. They made their phones out of gold, diamond dust, and himalayan sprinkles and then raise the price every cycle. Update the cheesegrater and sell it for $1200.
 
No, people are not gonna buy more if they reduce prices.

Prices can be a little bit lower. but there is absolutely no reason to believe that sales would skyrocket if Apple decreased the prices.

if the XS was $749, they would be making more money due to more sales.

$999 is too much.
 
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Soy-beans are grown in China:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_China

so China doesn't need US versions. However they do need a certain American company who strangly enough is willing to comply with them should they want a certain type of phone so no, I don't beleive the Chinese Government are discouraging iPhone ownership.
China doesn’t grow enough soybeans for their needs. US was largest exporter of soybeans to China until the trade war started. In November, zero US soybeans were sold to China. Brazil is now picking up the slack.

As far as phone makers, they have Huawei and Xaiomi, both of which have been rumored to place ways in for Chinese government to monitor usage. It’s a large reason why the US government will not allow Hussein or ZTE equipment on their networks.

https://www.bizvibe.com/blog/us-soybean-market-worlds-largest/

Exports from the US soybean market According to the latest trading data from International Trade Centre (ITC), in 2016, the USA exported about $22.9 billion worth or equivalent of 57.8 million tons of soybeans to the global market, representing approximately 43.8% of the world’s total soybean supplies in that year, making it again the world’s largest soybean exporter. China has been the largest importer of soybean from the USA over recent decades; over 31 million metric tons of soybeans are exported to China every year, representing over 62% of the US total soybean exports per annum. Other major importers of the US soybeans include Mexico, Japan, Indonesia, and the Netherlands.

see more at: https://www.bizvibe.com/blog/us-soybean-market-worlds-largest/
 
Cook was riding on Job's back and now that ride is over.

This. They assured everyone that Apple had several years of products in the pipeline when Jobs passed that he had overseen the start of. People saying Tim Cook is the most successful CEO Apple has had have their head up their ass, he was surfing the wave Jobs set in motion.... as a bean counter, sure he made shareholders happy, he kept milking customers for everything they had. Now that wave as crashing into the rocks and its exposed how worthless he is on forward looking product planning and priorities within the company.

If the iPhone collapses, everything outside of the Mac collapses at Apple.

The only team I currently am happy with at Apple is their silicone team.... they are doing incredible engineering.... I don't really expect major bells and whistles out of phones anymore, so their performance increases are great. It is amazing on how both of their OS teams only seem to care about adding more and more emojis.... instead of useful features they have been in desperate need of.... or how it takes 5 years for supposedly professional engineering teams to design a new motherboard and enclosure for a professional mac.
 
I think when/if Apple finally release their car or AR glasses that can effectively kill off the smartphone they'll be fine. If someone else beats them to it, they're in trouble.

Google had them long time ago, no idea why they wait, guess for apple to catch up.
Question if China will wait too or come up with their own operating system for glasses!
 
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Apple's pricing is the problem, pure and simple. They're pricing themselves out of the market with their increases. If sales are down, they increase the pricing to make up for the lost revenue, you can't keep doing that otherwise you will lose even more sales. Everyone has a breaking point.
I'd like a new 15" MacBook Pro but in Canada the pricing is out of control

It's not just the pricing.

I mean, the pricing is stupid insanely high, but it's also the products. Everything Apple currently makes is compromised.

The Mac "Pro" is a joke. Five years old, it's still priced starting at $2999, the same price the same hardware had five years ago. And it was never a Pro machine, the 2012 REAL Mac Pro is STILL a better machine. I hope the new "modular" Mac Pro they're talking about actually has pro features, like, say, SLOTS. Lots of drive bays would be great too, I'd be fine with NVMe SSD bays, but non-standard is non-acceptable in a professional machine.

The MacBook "Pro" is stupidly thin and stupidly overpriced. I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro with 4TB internal storage and 16GB RAM. That would cost me $5799 in a new machine, and I have to buy it with the machine, because Apple stupidly soldered the __ing storage (or maybe an SMD rework station, no idea if bigger chips will work yet). Now, I have two spinny platter drives installed, one is a hybrid drive, but let's say I wanted all SSD. I can get a 4TB drive for... huh, $697 on Amazon right now. I could have 8TB for less than what Apple charges for the 4TB upgrade, or 4TB and I could put my internal optical drive back for under a thousand dollars. If Apple had put a couple NVMe slots in a slightly thicker machine - 2TB NVMe drives are under $500. And while Apple finally released laptops with 32GB RAM, it's again stupidly soldered and stupid expensive (more than double the price of a couple 16GB 19200 SODIMMs), so no upgrades without a SMD rework station.

The last time I had a thousand dollar phone, it was the '80s, cell phones were new, and it was a bag phone. I'm NEVER paying that much for a phone again. But I don't even want Apple's new phones, Face ID is stupid, no home button is stupid, and no headphone jack is stupid. I'm pretty happy with my 6+, though I might replace it with a 6s+ just to get a bit more speed, it's occasionally a bit slow. I don't know what I'll do after that, I HATE Android phones.
 
As to be expected, the man simply won't admit that he went a bridge too far with the last few margin increases as that would not only hurt his MBA holder's ego, it would spook investors even further as it would indicate that Apple would have to slash it's margins.

Regardless, I for one would definitely like to see the stock drop below $100 and stay there for some time. That ought to teach Apple to be a bit less pompous and bring them back down to earth, realizing that you can over-charge people only so much even if you've got the kind of brand loyalty most other companies can only dream of. Eventually something's going to give, your customers either become disillusioned with you because they think you're being too greedy or they simply can't afford to upgrade anywhere near as often as they used to.

Honestly, if my Macbook Pro broke today I would have no intention to replace it with it's over-priced current day equivalent. I'd either go without a laptop (used to have it as my main use machine when I was a student, but now I mainly use it as my couch machine), move back to my old backup laptop (which is plenty fast after the SSD upgrade) or just buy a Dell XPS with Linux on it, the last of which would complete my migration to Linux (I use it on my desktop, my tablet runs Android and my phone SailfishOS).
 
I got started with Apple a long time ago, about the time the very first Macintosh was released. Most of my use was professional, and Apple products have made a lot of money for me, so I have never really thought the price was too high ... Apple represented good value to me.

But, where I think Apple has stumbled is in making their products less usefull and more complicated. Apple has forgotten about the professional users that stuck with them for so long. The value isn't there when I have to replace an entire machine to upgrade RAM or storage. Most professionals need to be able to upgrade RAM and storage on desktop machines as their needs change.

Also, I need a headphone jack on my phone. I don't want another dongle. I prefer touch ID. (I actually think the face ID stuff could be usefull if it were on the back of the phone so I could use it to 3D scan objects) I suppose we could go on all day. I am already surrounded by computer screens, TVs, iPads ... I don't need a phablet. I just need phone calls, some text messages, GPS, a cheap camera ... a small device that disappears into my pocket.
 
Sorry I beg to differ.

The hardest is sweet: iPhone X/XS models and 2018 iPad Pro!

The iOS is lacking major progress!!
Little feature tweaks and cpu boosted speeds of use. Yet why is Samsung able to deliver Linux on Dex on Android and our iPhones still much use ATV to project to a Tv? Why can I not have full 100% navigation on iOS using an zapper Mouse or TrackPad?! Why is my iPhone 8, and previous 7 and the X/XS not able to use the full iOS in landscape mode? Why is only the Max or Plus models capable is this? .5-1.2” really makes it that different?!!

Superior?! Not sure about that anymore because we’re seeing far too many advancements on the other side. Poorly implemented but it’s being pushed. Apple like always is purposely holding users back in the OS because they want to get things done right.

I love that story. Now whatever happens don’t switch on the stock market headlines .... oh dear!
 
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Let’s be honest, smartphones are no big thing anymore. They became something like toiletpaper, some have softer feeling, some cost a little more, but in the end they all do the same and 99% don’t care about the brand and take what’s the best offer.

Apple closed the eyes before it and hoped by pushing the prices in grotesque heights they could create some luxury aura again, like in their first days when they came around the corner with the first iPhones.

They seem to have mistaken their own commercials for real, where there is nobody poor, everybody privileged and happy and everything circles around consumer electronics.

The truth is, the younger generations have less money than ever since the end of the last world war, the older people are avoided by the engineers, who invest their time in emoji and videochat social crap etc. . Nothing a grown up person benefits from.

If Apple wants a future, they must focus on longevity of their products. If they sell devices that run 5+ years and allow easy change of batteries they could focus on their OS and servicesaround it. Sell digital stuff.

If they they demand such high prices like today and plan that customers upgrade all 2 years they gonna fail badly.

Cook does not have a feeling for customers. Jobs did not give out iPhones for free, but he knew it’s better to keep them reachable for the masses and to invent functions for all age groups. Cook is just after the money, just numbers. When you drive fast, it’s better to look out the window most times, and ignore the display that shows your speed.
 
Alternatively they could reduce the price of their product lines to increase sales. It would still be a premium brand if they dropped prices by $100 or so!

Having said that, I wish I was concerned over only $84 billion revenue in a single quarter :eek:


All true.

And IF Apple truly wants to increase service revenues, then increasing market share by dropping some prices would be a smart way to go about it.
 
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Phones are like Macs now? So Apple will release an update once every 5 years and they will fail from specs of dust? Talk about needing to get over it... get over yourself, your constant all hail apple attitude is getting really old. People have legitimate problems with the way they are currently running the company.

Yes, the reality is they’re more like Macs now in terms of upgrade cycle and longevity. That’s just the truth. And because they’re going to be used longer, they’re going to cost more. If you have information to refute this point, I’d love to see it.

Also, Macs should become more like iPhones in terms of components. I agree the 2016 and 2017 keyboards were a big miss.
 
It's impossible to build a car without any information ever leaking. It's a big undertaking. I don't think there is an Apple Car in the pipeline. If there is one, today is the day to give us a little sneak peak.

That’s a thought… Perhaps we’ll see some interesting rumours and ‘leaked’ info emerge over the next few days/week - if Apple decide they want to seed something to change the conversation.
 
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