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I bet these future products that will "blow you away" Are just the new EarPods, the new tv service and the newspaper subscriptions... Which are not new. Just updated. Whenever Apple says outlandish things like "blow you away". I've learned they never do "blow me away" and its always some boring product update that they call "new."
 
I don’t think he knows what he means.

Remember, Apple is not the same as it was under Steve. Apple is cutting corners and not caring about quality assurance. This is why we are seeing lots of problems with Apple's stuff from iPhones to the computers.
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He’s obviously not talking about Mac.

Phones and iPads are the future of Apple.. Gadgets, and not the Mac.
 
Remember, Apple is not the same as it was under Steve. Apple is cutting corners and not caring about quality assurance. This is why we are seeing lots of problems with Apple's stuff from iPhones to the computers.
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Phones and iPads are the future of Apple.. Gadgets, and not the Mac.
Everything was great under “you’re holding it wrong” Steve.

I mean except for the cracked plastic Mac cubes. And the MBP discrete graphics meltdowns.

Hmm. Maybe it is the same as it was under Steve.
 
Everything was great under “you’re holding it wrong” Steve.

I mean except for the cracked plastic Mac cubes. And the MBP discrete graphics meltdowns.

Hmm. Maybe it is the same as it was under Steve.

dunno dude.. just that I read so many issues with Apple's new stuff these days. I still have a 2012 MacBook pro and Mojave doesn't even interest me.
 
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dunno dude.. just that I read so many issues with Apple's new stuff these days. I still have a 2012 MacBook pro and Mojave doesn't even interest me.
I find it works well to take everything I read/hear with a grain of salt—especially in the MR forums. Many (most?) of the complaints are from people that don’t even own the product in question. But they like to parrot the memes: they hate USB-C, the butterfly keyboard, the notch, the sound of the HomePod they’ve never heard, the XR’s sub-1080 display, the 5W power adapter, etc. ad nauseum. Yet tens/hundreds of millions of actual users continue buying those same Apple products—which just drives the haters crazy. So they turn it up to eleven. No matter, Apple will be just fine.

That’s not to say there aren’t legitimate issues, but nothing like the anti-Apple echo chamber here or the clickbait-driven “tech Tubers” would have you believe. Some people like being told what to think, but I prefer a hands-on demo; I can decide for myself. If I like it I keep it, if I don’t it goes back. Works for me anyway.
 
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dunno dude.. just that I read so many issues with Apple's new stuff these days. I still have a 2012 MacBook pro and Mojave doesn't even interest me.

So go in peace already?

Let me know if the new Dell laptops are any good :p but for me it's just a matter of idle curiosity.

Meanwhile I did put Mojave on my mid-2012 MBP awhile back and it runs great as long as I don't mind looking at a blank windowspace now and then for a second while it gathers its wits and a folder contents list off a 5400rpm drive, sigh... but it will do while I consider installing an SSD and meanwhile window shop for my next Mac laptop to replace it.

Sure I'm concerned about some of the reported issues with later models but not enough to window-shop very seriously out in Windoze World again. I left that and even Bootcamp on a Mac in the rear view quite awhile back.

Also and I think because of social media effects, it's getting harder for me to sort out what are serious issues, how satisfactory are the fixes, and what are more just about people's opinions on, for instance, keyboards or the utility of Touch Bar.

The reliability issue of a keyboard is one thing but just the type of action seems very much a matter of either preference or deciding to get used to it. I do think I'll have to spend time in a store playing with the next machine I get though. My days of ordering a Mac notebook online without some in person experience are probably over.
 
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So go in peace already?

Let me know if the new Dell laptops are any good :p but for me it's just a matter of idle curiosity.

Meanwhile I did put Mojave on my mid-2012 MBP awhile back and it runs great as long as I don't mind looking at a blank windowspace now and then for a second while it gathers its wits and a folder contents list off a 5400rpm drive, sigh... but it will do while I consider installing an SSD and meanwhile window shop for my next Mac laptop to replace it.

Sure I'm concerned about some of the reported issues with later models but not enough to window-shop very seriously out in Windoze World again. I left that and even Bootcamp on a Mac in the rear view quite awhile back.

Also and I think because of social media effects, it's getting harder for me to sort out what are serious issues, how satisfactory are the fixes, and what are more just about people's opinions on, for instance, keyboards or the utility of Touch Bar.

The reliability issue of a keyboard is one thing but just the type of action seems very much a matter of either preference or deciding to get used to it. I do think I'll have to spend time in a store playing with the next machine I get though. My days of ordering a Mac notebook online without some in person experience are probably over.

The keyboard problems are real. The Touch Bar is bad. Still, better than having to use windows. I’m sure they’ll fix the keyboards one of these days...
 
And delivered.
El oh el. Please tell me how. Unless you consider letting the Mac lineup languish and deteriorate to the point of being a shell of what they used to be. Letting his best in class software similarly deteriorate & get plagued with bugs among other “successes”
 
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El oh el. Please tell me how. Unless you consider letting the Mac lineup languish and deteriorate to the point of being a shell of what they used to be. Letting his best in class software similarly deteriorate & get plagued with bugs among other “successes”
$266B in revenue and $60B in profit in 2018. The #2 company made $23B in profit.

People love Apple products.

The Mac is fine, but is a smaller business now.

You’re overreacting about things that don’t matter as much as the big picture.

Hate on.
 
I wonder if, when people criticise Tim Cook for not being a product visionary, realise that that was never his role to begin with? His job is more to oversee the day to day operations at Apple, freeing up the industrial designers to come up with future products. At best, they may also determine other factors such as pricing and marketing strategy, but otherwise, the final design of products ultimately rests with Jony Ive.

The chief product visionary at Apple is clearly Jony Ive and his team of designers, who oversee product design and have the final say over the user experiences related to Apple’s product line.. It is Ive's vision which guides the product strategy at Apple. I guess that if there is one downside to this arrangement, it's that Jony Ive basically enjoys unchecked power at Apple.

So I just find it very puzzling (and amusing) when people accuse Tim Cook for not doing a job he was never tasked with doing in the first place (or at least, one which he has clearly delegated away because it's obviously not his forte).
 
Didn’t read anything you said after that.

Really?
I couldn't sleep all the night knowing such lack of consideration. To make up for it I've read yours and, thank you, thank you very much for such a funny message. Indeed I love fanboys beside I have different opinions.
 
Steve Jobs was always going to be a hard act to follow. :(
Here's the thing - Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs, but this doesn't mean he doesn't bring unique skills to the organisation.

I continue to maintain that Tim Cook is probably the best person to run Apple at this time. An operations person makes more sense than a product visionary. To put it bluntly, looking at Apple's current size, the best-designed products are useless if you can't make enough of them to meet demand.

This is where Tim Cook shines. He has significant experience with the processes used to procure materials needed for products. While focusing on the customer experience is important, those experiences are only made possible by ensuring products under development make it to market.

Tim Cook also has significant experience with managing Apple’s supply chain. When something goes wrong, which it inevitably will, having a leader with experience being in the trenches is incredibly valuable.

Lastly, Tim Cook ends up being a neutral party between design and engineering.

I foresee Tim Cook remaining as CEO of Apple indefinitely. I realise this is not a popular view here, who would rather have some firebrand like Elon Musk at the reins, but seriously, looking at the hot soup Elon has landed himself in of late, maybe it's not such a good idea to have a Steve Jobs 2.0 these days.

The Apple Watch and AirPods appear consistent with Apple’s long-term product goals and philosophies. Apple Music, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV all fit in the same mold as well. Services like Siri and Maps get a ton of criticism, but I honestly feel they are nowhere near as bad as the haters are making it out to be. So far, the only product which raises a red flag is the Mac, and well, you all already know where I stand on this matter (I really don't care all that much about it).

I really can't think of anyone better to run Apple at the moment. I daresay that given the opportunity, Steve Jobs would still have chosen Tim Cook to succeed him all over again.
 
Here's the thing - Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs, but this doesn't mean he doesn't bring unique skills to the organisation.

I continue to maintain that Tim Cook is probably the best person to run Apple at this time. An operations person makes more sense than a product visionary. To put it bluntly, looking at Apple's current size, the best-designed products are useless if you can't make enough of them to meet demand.

This is where Tim Cook shines. He has significant experience with the processes used to procure materials needed for products. While focusing on the customer experience is important, those experiences are only made possible by ensuring products under development make it to market.

Tim Cook also has significant experience with managing Apple’s supply chain. When something goes wrong, which it inevitably will, having a leader with experience being in the trenches is incredibly valuable.

Lastly, Tim Cook ends up being a neutral party between design and engineering.

I foresee Tim Cook remaining as CEO of Apple indefinitely. I realise this is not a popular view here, who would rather have some firebrand like Elon Musk at the reins, but seriously, looking at the hot soup Elon has landed himself in of late, maybe it's not such a good idea to have a Steve Jobs 2.0 these days.

The Apple Watch and AirPods appear consistent with Apple’s long-term product goals and philosophies. Apple Music, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV all fit in the same mold as well. Services like Siri and Maps get a ton of criticism, but I honestly feel they are nowhere near as bad as the haters are making it out to be. So far, the only product which raises a red flag is the Mac, and well, you all already know where I stand on this matter (I really don't care all that much about it).

I really can't think of anyone better to run Apple at the moment. I daresay that given the opportunity, Steve Jobs would still have chosen Tim Cook to succeed him all over again.
Yep pretty much this - I don't think there's anyone who would obviously do meaningfully better than Cook, but it's easy to imagine any number of people doing a whole lot worse, particularly given the pressure to perform financially that Apple is presently under. Of course he's not perfect, but I think still largely adheres to Apple's values, notably on things like privacy and security - a generic CEO would likely have taken advantage of Apple's user base to get their hands on as much valuable data as possible, where Cook has kept to the your data is yours mantra. In general, Apple is still using high quality components in their products (MLC SSDs; high quality displays; better wi-fi chips) when they could have tried cheaping out, and I'm sure some would have tried that. I guess the bottom line is he's forging his own path, and it might well be different to the path Jobs would have taken, but it's still an authentically 'Apple' path to date.
 
The keyboard problems are real. The Touch Bar is bad. Still, better than having to use windows. I’m sure they’ll fix the keyboards one of these days...
You can use Linux. Of course it depends on the type of application whether Linux is a good or a bad choice.
 
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