TrendForce: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Will Hit Shelves This Fall

[jonnysods]

Son of a b*tch. I just bought a 15" MBP and have hardly used it, and it's past the return window.

I'm with you, except I've only had it 8 days. I'd love the larger size, and a bit more heat dissipation. Definitely noticed that it's warmer than my 2016 15"!

I hope its a rumour - I definitely would have waited another few months if I knew it was for real.

 

[GrumpyCoder]

Some of us what the pennies to stay in our pockets without having to re-buy new systems when we need more RAM or Storage or when the battery poops out. I would rather spend a bit more up front to get that.

Why not just buy more RAM and storage right away then? In over 20 years I've owned laptops (quite a few), I've upgraded RAM and storage once. It's a little different on desktops, when I went from 1MB RAM to 4MB. Added a 400MB hard disk and so on. There was a time when I added a new GPU every other year. Nowadays I usually end up with everything new, because every single component is outdated.

 

[Peperino]

Hopefully when it "hits" the shelves does not fall due to
- Price
- Still all soldered components (non-upgradable).
- still throttling.

 

[pipis2010]

Here's hoping to easy access for user-replaceable SSD, RAM and battery.

Not gonna happen...you can really forget about user-replaceable-anything, anymore...

 

[laz232]

I’m expecting overpriced SSD soldered to the motherboard, no butterfly keyboard, same performance as 15”. No physical function keys.

Pretty much a slightly bigger screen, different keyboard, higher price, that’s it.

Unfortunately I think you're right, this is going to replace the 13 and 15 inch MacBook Pro and it's gonna be more expensive.

The laptop line is going to be the MacBook Air 13 inch and the MacBook Pro 16 inch at 3000USD starting price - anyone else can try to work on an iPad "pro"

Those are my predictions...
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Why not just buy more RAM and storage right away then? In over 20 years I've owned laptops (quite a few), I've upgraded RAM and storage once. It's a little different on desktops, when I went from 1MB RAM to 4MB. Added a 400MB hard disk and so on. There was a time when I added a new GPU every other year. Nowadays I usually end up with everything new, because every single component is outdated.

Because sometimes needs change - even for business users, and the upgrade prices from 16 to 32 GB of RAM or to 1 TB hard disk are just daylight robbery!

It's not even like I could not afford the upgrade prices, it's just that I hate the feeling that Apple is completely taking advantage of me...

 

[PlasmStudios]

Put a real Escape key on it and take my money!

Get your bank account ready.

 

[lionfleet]

Question for you all.
If I bought the 2019 Macbook Pro 15" 8 Core already in June... would it be smartest to try to sell it before the 16" comes? Maybe I can try to return? It's almost been 60 days though.

Thinking about it because...
#1 I'm a video editor and always looking to get best performance. (Although I dunno if it'll be any faster)
#2 I'm always trying to maintain value of the things I own so I can resell them at an awesome price. Worried that when 16" launches the 15" will be less popular and price will drop. Although, the con is that it may cost me a lil to upgrade like this.

Another question:
In the meanwhile, I've waited on getting AppleCare+ for my 2019 Macbook Pro (almost about to pass my 60 days) as I wanna see what the 16" brings and don't want to buy Applecare if I'm just gonna sell it soon. Should I just suck it up and get the applecare or wait?

If the 16" won't bring performance updates I might as well stick to my 15". Thoughts?

 

[Suraj_Deuja]

Realistic expectations - new screen, New keyboard.
Optimistic expectations - good under-volting and slightly better thermal performance
Keep dreaming expectations - user serviceable parts, more ports, magsafe.

 

[Hakiroto]

I'm with you, except I've only had it 8 days. I'd love the larger size, and a bit more heat dissipation. Definitely noticed that it's warmer than my 2016 15"!

I hope its a rumour - I definitely would have waited another few months if I knew it was for real.

I'd say the rumours are too strong at this point for it not to be real.

 

[buran-energia]

Gonna probably wait until they update it with a new 10nm CPU, unless the keyboard on my 2017 breaks again.

 

[Spock]

I wouldn't be so sure. They took a ton of heat for the price-performance ratio of the 2016 MacBook Pros. I think they "get it" and understand that people need something with better performance at a price that's more in line with machines having similar internals/configuration on the PC side. The 2016+ was far, far too expensive for what we got.... I know from experience; I bought a 2016, 15", 512 GB, and it's not a good machine for the money—not even close to the value of my previous 2012 MBP. My hope is that they're thinking of this as a machine for non-corporate Pro users, who can't afford the new Mac Pro, could benefit from portability, but don't want to sacrifice internals for slimness. That whole form vs function element was a huge pain-point with the 2016+ machines (that wasn't there with the pre-2016 MBPs), and I do think they'll try to do something to address it.

Of course, they could be so blinded by their own smoke screen that they miss the point completely, and do exactly what you're suggesting. If they do, I'll certainly be very, very disappointed and extremely pissed off, as will a huge number of other long-time users. In all likelihood, I'd buy a refurbed 2018 or 2019, in that case...

I hope you’re right.

If the new bigger display has rounded corners like the iPads and iPhones then it’s a complete no-go. The rounded corners wastes too much space. And all applications and web interfaces are designed for displays with square corners.

And unlike with iPhones and iPads, Apple do not control the apis for web apps, terminal/cli apps, and many pro apps use their own display framework, which often share code based with Windows, where there are no rounded display corners.

Mac OS had rounded corners for a long time in software and I don’t remember it ever being that noticeable or a problem but I understand your concerns.

 

[Zdigital2015]

Question for you all.
If I bought the 2019 Macbook Pro 15" 8 Core already in June... would it be smartest to try to sell it before the 16" comes? Maybe I can try to return? It's almost been 60 days though.

Thinking about it because...
#1 I'm a video editor and always looking to get best performance. (Although I dunno if it'll be any faster)
#2 I'm always trying to maintain value of the things I own so I can resell them at an awesome price. Worried that when 16" launches the 15" will be less popular and price will drop. Although, the con is that it may cost me a lil to upgrade like this.

Another question:
In the meanwhile, I've waited on getting AppleCare+ for my 2019 Macbook Pro (almost about to pass my 60 days) as I wanna see what the 16" brings and don't want to buy Applecare if I'm just gonna sell it soon. Should I just suck it up and get the applecare or wait?

If the 16" won't bring performance updates I might as well stick to my 15". Thoughts?

So you currently own the 2019 15” with the Core i9 2.4GHz/32GB DRAM/512GB or more/Vega 20 GPU? If that’s the case, you would be just fine with what you have. The CPU in the 16” is not changing, there is no better CPU shipping or predicted to ship in Q3/Q4.

The 2019 Keyboard is the best iteration of the butterfly mechanism, 32GB of DRAM is plenty for 4K editing, 512GB or more is plenty of storage since you’re storing all your footage externally, correct?

The Vega 20 is not a slouch and you can always add an eGPU to supplement it. At some point, either Vega 56/64/VII gets cheaper or Navi gets support and becomes viable for an eGPU, so you’re covered there.

I think I would get AppleCare+ ASAP and move on. This is the first iteration of the 16” and if you have work to do, better to get it done and make money than chase the next upgrade. Just my 2¢.

 

[Glockworkorange]

They'd have to trickle it down a lot to make it cheaper. If the display performs as they claim, it's dirt cheap. It's better than a $35k reference/mastering display from Sony. The display is about performance, in the end you get what you pay for. What people want is a display designed by Apple, but the performance of Dell, LG, whatever.

Unfortunately, I think Apple has abandoned that market.

I was thinking they could make a 32 inch 6K display, with that design, without the need for 1000 sustained nits (or whatever), or reference modes, or whatever.
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Not in a laptop. The XDR has two fans for cooling. Keeping 1000nits for extended amount of time is going to suck up gobs more power and why the monitor has a cooling system. Apple isn't likely to bring that to any laptop any time soon.

Hook a MBP to a plugged into the wall XDR ... yes. Apple will probably increment on making that better. But the use case where "need" bleeding edge reference monitor on a laptop. Probably not. And only if Apple looks to jump into the 'luggable' , 98+% of usage plugged in laptop market. (they have basically avoid the heavier, thicker desktop replacements over the last decade or so. )

micro-LEDs that do it differently maybe is the power levels drop substantively by doing so. Will that go into the next XDR in more than several years? Perhaps.

If don't need the XDR's backlight then not a whole lot to "trickle" down here. The sheer size ? No.
Maybe the $1,000 extra matte treatment, but that would probably trickle down at almost the same price.

Sorry---I didn't mean the laptop. I was referring to standalone display, as the comment I responded to mentioned buying a display with the 16 inch and he talked about the LG and how he hoped Apple would make a "less pro" display.

 

[theluggage]

Mac OS had rounded corners for a long time in software and I don’t remember it ever being that noticeable or a problem but I understand your concerns.

Of course, Classic Mac OS not only existed in the days of the venerable cathode ray tube (Gen. Z: ask your parents) but even before the 'flatter squarer tube' (Gen Z's parents: ask your parents) when physical screens not only had to have rounded corners, but stuff in the extreme corners got distorted anyway.

These days, its just form-over-function - sure, the lid of a laptop needs a slight curve to stop it causing lacerations, but it also needs a small bezel so you can open and close it without getting fingerprints on the screen, and to give it at least some resilience if it is dropped. A few mm of bezel/corner radius is enough to accommodate a rectangular screen.

Don't get me started on edge-to-edge smartphone displays with huge corner radii that you can't even pick up without accidentally operating something on the screen.

..I don't think a few pixels in each corner as per. Classic Mac OS are going to be an issue, especially if its done in software (so it needn't affect fullscreened software). Some of the photoshopped 'mockups' with iPad-like curves are a bit extreme - especially if the curved corners are 'physical' and you can't run fullscreen'd applications.

 

[fathergll]

#friendsdontletfriendsbuy16:9laptops

 

[eulslix]

#friendsdontletfriendsbuy16:9laptops

and this is connected how to this article?

 

[Falhófnir]

Ok let’s start guessing.

2999 base price.

What do you think the base price will be?
Do you think it will miraculously still have a 256GB ssd?

$2,999 starting with a 256GB SSD absolute no go. $2,999 starting with a 1TB SSD, I'd be interested.

 

[halw]

I'm wondering what GPU might land in this machine. I can't seem them just using a Vega 20 with only 4GB of ram. Does Navi have a 8gig mobile version or does Vega ? I have a 2017 15inch MBP and I'm kicking myself for not going for the 2018 as I bought it right around the time the Vega's became available in the 2018 models.

 

[NT1440]

$2,999 starting with a 256GB SSD absolute no go. $2,999 starting with a 1TB SSD, I'd be interested.

Can you point to any machine on the market that has this starting configuration in that price range?

 

[wallysb01]

Can you point to any machine on the market that has this starting configuration in that price range?

It’s going to be 512, but it’s not going to be $2999. I’d place my bet at $3299. Same specs as top 15 model except possibly the GPU.

 

[Falhófnir]

Can you point to any machine on the market that has this starting configuration in that price range?

Well, for starters it's approximately $/£200 more than the current base 15" equipped with 1TB, or the same price as the upgraded stock 15" upped to 1TB.

Then there's the Dell XPS 15, where the lowest 1TB configuration costs £2,149 (i7 and 32GB RAM) or there's an i9 and 32GB model for £2,499, or if you max it out (there is no £2,999 model, it's only £2,899) you get 2TB and i9/32GB.

Razer, as far as I can see, are a bit of a let down and don't offer a 1TB SSD option, but their whole 15" lineup tops out at £3,149 (4K OLED) for that you're getting a computer that will blow this thing out of the water if it's going to be similarly specced to a current 15".

HP's Spectre x360 maxes out at £1,999 and that gets you a 4K/i7-9750H/GTX-1650/16GB/1TB configuration.

So to answer your question, I can pretty much point at the market and show you a $/£2,999 1TB 16" MBP still wouldn't even be particularly great value.

 

[BradMacPro]

If that resolution is right, then it doesn't seem to a Retina type display like everything else is nowadays. I'm fine with that personally, but seems contrary to the recent Apple trend.

 

[cmaier]

If that resolution is right, then it doesn't seem to a Retina type display like everything else is nowadays. I'm fine with that personally, but seems contrary to the recent Apple trend.

what recent apple trend is that? They haven’t upgraded their PPI on any device recently as far as I know.

 

[redheeler]

If that resolution is right, then it doesn't seem to a Retina type display like everything else is nowadays. I'm fine with that personally, but seems contrary to the recent Apple trend.

Apple has been using 227 PPI on Retina laptops since the 2012 MacBook Pro with Retina Display. It's definitely underwhelming on a laptop now in 2019 though, considering the 12.9" iPad Pro has 264 PPI which gives it more pixels than the current 15" MacBook Pro, and many PC manufacturers have moved on to higher-density 4K displays while Apple is stuck at 227 PPI.

I'd like to see a 4K 16:10 display on the 16", making it a true Retina version of the old 17". Apple's refusal to increase the PPI has made it less tempting to me at any price point.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Here's to hoping for a return to the 2015-era MacBook Pros! Absolute perfection at the crossroads of design and utility.

Nope. Design wasn’t that great I love the current design feels more like the great TiBook. Now that was beautiful design brought sex appeal to Apple

Here's hoping to easy access for user-replaceable SSD, RAM and battery.

Or at the very least if not give us IP-68 rating. Currently if issues with any component it’s on Apple to fix - May a standard 3yr warranty with AppleCare+ to extend to 5yrs most users keep at least that long.

Chromebook is eating Apples lunch in Edu markets. Time to drop entry price of iPads to heavily compete or subsidize the cost. Heck offer a low rental fee for 1yr with software services !! Kids are growing up in google ecosystem which translates to them buying into Android.