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It is just lies, u-turns and inconsistencies all based on publicity stunts, soundbites and probably market manipulation. It is all a total and utter shambles. One thing I am quite certain of is that this is the opposite of MAGA. The USA has become the laughing stock of the world, and it is hard to see how the country can ever regain the influence and respect it once enjoyed. Its enemies will be in the ascendancy. What a joke, except it's not even funny.
 
I still don't understand why the Trump admin thinks there are Americans who want to do these manufacturing jobs. Most people here don't want to work in an iPhone or MacBook factory assembling these devices and I know of no American who wants to go back to the days of when I got my first Mac - a Mac IICX for $6K in 1990. That would be like paying $14.6K today for a base MacPro. That's insane.
 
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The US isn't destroying Apple. Apple will simply add the increased costs onto their products.
lol you seriously think Apple can just pass this on and people will be able to pay it? If the market could have beared $3K iPhones, they would have already been that before this tariff nonsense. Apple is going to have to eat some of their margin to offset tariffs or they're going to have to pass them on and lose market share. Sure, Apple is better equipped to weather this storm than many companies, but when their customers are getting laid off from work because of increased costs for the business, it's absolutely going to hurt Apple too, which is why they were such a huge loser on the market when these "reciprocal" tariffs came into view. Apple products are all luxury items and during economic downturns, people stop buying or replacing luxury items unless they break.
 
I still don't understand why the Trump admin thinks there are Americans who want to do these manufacturing jobs. Most people here don't want to work in an iPhone or MacBook factory assembling these devices and I know of no American who wants to go back to the days of when I got my first Mac - a Mac IICX for $6K in 1990. That would be like paying $14.6K today for a base MacPro. That's insane.
Seems pretty clear to me that the Republicans are going to have poor and lower middle class kids working in these jobs after they are finished trashing the public education system.
 
He’s just manipulating the market in broad daylight so he and his cronies can pump and dump.


In the hours before President Donald Trump announced a 90-day partial pause on a slew of new tariffs on foreign goods, he said on social media that it was a "great time to buy."

One of his loudest allies in Congress was already poised to benefit.

A disclosure made public on Monday said Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene poured between $21,000 and $315,000 into the stock market on Tuesday and Wednesday, investing in 17 companies, including Apple, Elon Musk's Tesla, Nvidia, and Palantir.

Members of Congress are only required to disclose the ranges of their purchases — Greene made 21 different stock purchases, each valued between $1,000 and $15,000.

Trump's tariff pause announcement sent markets soaring on Wednesday, and anyone who purchased stocks in the final hours or days before Trump's post would have seen significant gains on paper.

So far, Greene is the only member of Congress known to have bought stocks after markets tanked following Trump's initial "Liberation Day" tariff announcements.
On top of these latest trades, Greene invested up to $285,000 in 17 companies on April 3 and 4.
 
Yes, and Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution states that “[t]he Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises.” Nowhere in the Constitution is the delegation of Congressional power permitted. The Constitution is a document of enumerated powers. The government was given, by the People, the powers, and only the powers, outlined in it. Congress delegating powers to other branches, and even worse, to unelected Administrative agencies - is unconstitutional.
The Supreme Court’s precedent disagrees with you. It’s already been visited, and your opinions don’t matter. Let it rest.
 
Both of those things sound much better than destroying our economy with tariffs and shredding the constitution by ignoring federal judges and deporting those who are here legally without due process. Just today he mentioned sending "homegrown" Americans to El Salvador!

But yeah, we saved women's sports which you totally definitely cared about before Republicans threw a fit about it. :rolleyes:
Sure, so let’s destroy the economy to the point where we pay more in interest on our debt than our entire tax revenue every year. Sounds like a plan to me.

Also, those people you speak of aren’t here legally. You jump over the border, you’re not here legally.

Is Trump perfect? Nope, not by any means. Is he better than the laughing hyena that the Democrats put forward? Sure is, by a long-shot. What was Harris’ plan to make the country better?
 
MAGA:
Make America WHITE again!
Make America MALE again!
Make America STRAIGHT again!
Make America CHRISTIAN again!

No tolerance for anything else!
Typical. Throwing out race and color arguments as a reply to something that had nothing to do with any of that stuff. What does any of that have to do with pork spending bills and the economy?
 
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We don’t have a Democracy in the US.

Your country has a “royal family” and had to combine about billion countries together to even by relevant on the world stage.

Not much room to talk.
You don’t, you likely won’t have mid term elections next year.

Our royal family has no power, not a bean.

We didn’t combine any countries to be relevant, we invaded, we pillaged, enslaved and we controlled most of the world through brute force. We weren’t relevant, we were the world.

That’s our history, democracy looks like it’s being consigned to your history.
 
Or people that want to pack spending bills with “pork”?
You don't honestly believe it's only the Democrats bellied up to the pork barrels, do you? Go look into the the disaster that is the SLS moon rocket. It's basically a red state aerospace jobs program for Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Texas. Yes, the west coast is in there too, but it is pretty much a classic example of congress overruling the guidance of experts to grab as much money for their interests/state as they can and then feigning surprise when the project is a money hole that is $14 billion over budget. It's equal opportunity on both sides.

The Supreme Court’s precedent disagrees with you. It’s already been visited, and your opinions don’t matter. Let it rest.
Opinions do matter. SCOTUS can say the law is constitutional or not in the current circumstances, that does not stop anyone from passing a new law to replace that one, or even the people/states from proposing and ratifying a constitutional amendment that better defines certain powers and what can/can not be delegated to another branch. Unlikely, but it is possible.


Also, those people you speak of aren’t here legally. You jump over the border, you’re not here legally.
How would anyone know if they are legal? They are just picking people up and sending them out of the country with no due process.
 
Sure, so let’s destroy the economy to the point where we pay more in interest on our debt than our entire tax revenue every year. Sounds like a plan to me.
Trump and his Republican party don't really care about the debt. If they did, they wouldn't be pressing forward with extending and making permanent the tax cuts.


Tax Cut Extensions Would Add $37 Trillion to Debt by 2054

In a recent letter, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that extending and reviving various provisions from the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) would boost debt in Fiscal Year (FY) 2054 from 166 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) under CBO’s March 2024 baseline to 214 percent of GDP, on a dynamic basis.

Based on these estimates, we find that extending the TCJA would add over $37 trillion to the debt over the next 30 years, including $4.5 trillion over the next ten years and $15.0 trillion over the next 20 years. In real 2031 dollars – adjusted for inflation to be roughly comparable to the ten-year score – we estimate the extensions would add $23.5 trillion to the deficit over the next three decades, the equivalent of 2.4 percent of GDP.



And they wouldn't be trying to change the accounting rules to hide its true cost to taxpayers


Republicans are considering a far-reaching change to the budget process that would obscure the deficit impact of extending President Donald Trump’s multitrillion-dollar tax cuts in order to avoid paying for them.

It comes as part of a massive bill to advance Trump’s agenda that Republicans are seeking to pass on a party-line basis. If the tactic is successful, it would upend long-standing precedent and change the accounting process for current and future lawmakers, with major policy stakes.

Extending the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which Trump signed into law in 2017, would cost $4.6 trillion over a decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the official nonpartisan scorekeeper.

That’s under the “current law” metric that has traditionally been used, as the tax cuts are slated to expire at the end of this year. But Senate Republicans want to use a different scoring method called the “current policy” baseline, which would assume that extending tax cuts costs $0 because they’re already law.

Congressional GOP aides say the idea could have a huge impact on what they’re able to pass in the budget bill. If they use the current accounting process, they have no chance of making the 2017 tax cuts permanent, because that would require paying for it. And this process would also be key to unlocking Trump’s other tax proposals, like slashing taxes on tips and overtime pay.

It’s a tacit admission that Republican leaders have no expectation of paying for the cost of their tax agenda.



It's sad how each party will pretend to care about deficits and the debt when they're not in power. But once they're in power, that care seems to disappear.
 
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In the hours before President Donald Trump announced a 90-day partial pause on a slew of new tariffs on foreign goods, he said on social media that it was a "great time to buy."

One of his loudest allies in Congress was already poised to benefit.

A disclosure made public on Monday said Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene poured between $21,000 and $315,000 into the stock market on Tuesday and Wednesday, investing in 17 companies, including Apple, Elon Musk's Tesla, Nvidia, and Palantir.

Members of Congress are only required to disclose the ranges of their purchases — Greene made 21 different stock purchases, each valued between $1,000 and $15,000.

Trump's tariff pause announcement sent markets soaring on Wednesday, and anyone who purchased stocks in the final hours or days before Trump's post would have seen significant gains on paper.

So far, Greene is the only member of Congress known to have bought stocks after markets tanked following Trump's initial "Liberation Day" tariff announcements.
On top of these latest trades, Greene invested up to $285,000 in 17 companies on April 3 and 4.

Would just like to add that when I last looked she had made a huge loss on this which is hilarious.
 
I thought Apple was working on manufacturing their custom silicon in TSMC’s Arizona plant.
Yes, but Apple uses a lot of different chips for a lot of different reasons. The chip that is in the AirPods is very different from the chips that are used in phones which are different than those used in the variety of iPads or desktops.
 


Apple will not be exempt from tariffs after all, with U.S. President Donald Trump working on new semiconductor levies that will likely impact Apple devices, chips from companies like Nvidia, and other electronics.

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Over the weekend, the U.S. Customers and Border Protection agency shared a long list of electronic devices excluded from the current tariffs, including iPhones, iPads, Macs, the Apple Watch, and more. Apple scored a reprieve from the 145 percent tariff impacting goods imported from China and the 10 percent tariff on goods imported from other countries, but it doesn't sound like it's going to last.

On his Truth Social network, Trump said that no one is "getting off the hook" and there "was no tariff exception." Apple and other tech companies are "just moving to a different tariff bucket," with the 20 percent "Fentanyl Tariffs" still in place, and additional tariffs coming.

Trump said that his administration will be "taking a look" at semiconductors and the electronics supply chain in the National Security Tariff Investigations. He also reiterated that "we need to make products in the United States." Trump is expected to announce some kind of semiconductor tariff in the coming days.

Trump has suggested that Apple could manufacture the iPhone and other products in the United States, but even if such a move were not wildly expensive, Apple would not be able to find enough people with the necessary skillset to assemble devices in the quantities needed. U.S. manufacturing would also drive the cost of the iPhone up significantly.

Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Trump Planning Semiconductor Tariffs That Will Impact Apple, No One 'Getting Off the Hook'
 
Honestly people, do you think hes doing this to pump and dump the market and make money hand over fist with insider trading, piss people off and cause riots so he can enact Marshall Law, or is he just that stupid he cant make up his mind and when the hell do things become stable?

Cause, im not paying 145% price increase on any apple (or any electronic device) for that matter all because of this jerk! Most of us arent going to do that.

I got to be real with you, im saving up for a new computer and i dont know if im going to end up being charged double, or if its even worth it at this point. Its so aggervating not knowing if the price today is going to be the same damn price tomarrow, all because of this orange oompa loompas ego and stupidity!

When does it end? When does sanity and stability return?
 
the aim isnt anything to do with lax environmental pollution though.

it's about trade imbalance.

or that's the reason given.

the other worry is the Showerhead Water Pressure. Which on the surface just sounds silly.
But it opens the door to a National Security Issue and could trigger use of the National Guard.

With that, Trump receives vast discretional powers within the US and and can seize control of the media and pretty much everything. A dictator takeover...
Can you very briefly expand on this for me please?
 
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Honestly people, do you think hes doing this to pump and dump the market and make money hand over fist with insider trading, piss people off and cause riots so he can enact Marshall Law, or is he just that stupid he cant make up his mind and when the hell do things become stable?
Why can it not be both?
 
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