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You should speak to Nancy Pelosi instead regarding stock manipulation and corruption...
I think it's telling that the current administration has gone very quiet on Pelosi's shopping spree back then. You'd think they would do anything to send her to El Salvador.
 
In the not-so-distant future, if Trump doesn't revert, there will be iPhones made in the US for the US market, very expensive, and iPhones made elsewhere for the rest of the world, much more affordable. In other words, US customers will be subsidizing the employees of US Apple factories. Isn't that rich, coming from an anti-socialist administration?
 
In the west, there is this mindset that they are above doing menial tasks and that will need to change if manufacturing is to really succeed.
Yarp. The 'Merican attitude that factory work is unskilled labor. Hail, most think low paying jobs are unskilled task.😖 Equine excrement!🧐 I challenge anyone who makes that claim to use a sewing machine to assemble a garment. I bought a sewing machine last year to hem some of my pants and tailor a few of my shirts. I kid you not, it took me longer to hem a few pants than it took for me to automate a complex spreadsheet. I've gotten better at sewing now, but nowhere near the skill or speed of the factory workers.

Factory work is 100% a skill task that requires a lot of practice to become proficient. It might be repetitive and soul crushing😬, but it is a skill labor no different than office work.
 
You should figure out what a Democracy is. Our electoral college means we don't have a Democracy form of government.
There have only been four occasions when the electoral College contradicted the popular vote since 1824. It's really not the problem here.
 
Anyone remember what happened to free speech in America? Trump seemed to be all for it - but only on his own side.

Yes, by free speech he means we’re free to agree with him (which assumes we can keep up with what he’s saying on any given day).
 
There have only been four occasions when the electoral College contradicted the popular vote since 1824. It's really not the problem here.
So what you're saying is as long as it's fixed, it's only a problem if the fix blatantly affects the result?
 
Apple is both wrong and right. Ditto Trump.

Apple are being good capitalists and using globalisation to bring down the cost of making their products.

However, this is helping turn china into a geopolitical rival to the USA.

And to those of you who are American. I’m British. We used to rule the world. We thought it would go on forever as we were different from other countries. It didn’t. You get what I’m saying?

Remember that as people in the USA - and Europe - are squabbling with each other, china is playing the long game. And that’s to take over the reins from the USA.

I don’t follow the minutiae of us politics but it is perfectly possible that Trump is completely right in the big geopolitical sense and utterly self serving too. I’m not trying to say he’s a hero.

In the same way that everyone senior working at Apple HQ I’m sure are patriots, but also are more than happy to pursue a business strategy that is not helping the long term strategic interests of the USA.

So I think Apple should be building products in the USA. The USA needs advanced mass manufacturing and the ability to make smartphone processors and other components.

I’ve never heard a convincing argument from Apple - or anyone else - as to why this is not possible.
Some good points :)

However I don't see a chance that apple or any company will do manufacturing of SMALL consumer items (regardless if its toasters or iphones) in the US without doing it fully automated.

If you were to make small consumer items in a more manual way you would create lots of jobs that noone can live off. These jobs would be in cities, not in inexpesive rural areas as you need thousands of workers in one spot. If you want to this items to be affordable you would need cheap labor, nothing like a union backed auto worker job. From a manual assembly job you would never be able to afford a house, never be able to pay for your kids college and never be able to save enough for a retirement. And forget about more expensive health care procedures with copay. So manufacturing is never going to come back to the US in a way that satisfies a majority of voters.
 
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Apple is both wrong and right. Ditto Trump.

Apple are being good capitalists and using globalisation to bring down the cost of making their products.

However, this is helping turn china into a geopolitical rival to the USA.

And to those of you who are American. I’m British. We used to rule the world. We thought it would go on forever as we were different from other countries. It didn’t. You get what I’m saying?

Remember that as people in the USA - and Europe - are squabbling with each other, china is playing the long game. And that’s to take over the reins from the USA.

I don’t follow the minutiae of us politics but it is perfectly possible that Trump is completely right in the big geopolitical sense and utterly self serving too. I’m not trying to say he’s a hero.

In the same way that everyone senior working at Apple HQ I’m sure are patriots, but also are more than happy to pursue a business strategy that is not helping the long term strategic interests of the USA.

So I think Apple should be building products in the USA. The USA needs advanced mass manufacturing and the ability to make smartphone processors and other components.

I’ve never heard a convincing argument from Apple - or anyone else - as to why this is not possible.
Have you considered that all countries move through phases? The US now enjoys a much higher average wage than China and most other countries. As a result, producing cheap items is always going to be tricky unless consumers are willing to pay much higher prices. Eventually China's moment will pass as their average wage increases and some other country will be the target for criticism and tariffs.

In times past the US complained about Japan because their cars were both cheaper and better. In the UK it's been everything from clothing to ceramics, replacing what were once key industries.

Trump won't manage to roll back the clock unless robots replace people in assembling phones and other tech. Just like in the UK nobody wants to pick fruit and machines are starting to take over there.

It's quite possible that this is the beginning of the end game for the US and it certainly feels like something similar in the UK. The difference I think you're observing is that Trump wants to go down fighting, taking not only his enemies with him, but pretty much everything the American constitution once valued and stood for.

Meanwhile, neither Apple or any other mass producing tech company will achieve what has been done in China .... unless they enslave their people and pay them a pittance. Hey, actually, that's an idea Trump might run with!
 
You realize that the tariffs are charged on the wholesale price of the good - not MSRP. An increase of 145% in tariffs does not necessarily mean a 145% increase in the final price. Apple has very healthy profit margin on their devices and accessories and will likely absorb a bit of the tariffs.

While I agree with you that Trump should not just be throwing out new tariff numbers every morning when he wakes up - I’d rather this, and know who is in control of the country than have a cabal of bureaucrats running the country from the shadows using Biden as a Manchurian Candidate. So please, when exactly are you referring to when you say “return to sanity and stability,” because it certainly was not 2021-2024.
So you actually enjoy not knowing what a computer is going to cost you in a week from now compaired to a stable price? Must be nice to be wealthy then.
 
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There have only been four occasions when the electoral College contradicted the popular vote since 1824. It's really not the problem here.
Nope. What I’m saying is that The Lump has set up concentration camps in El Salvador, he’s kidnapping innocent people, he’s removing his political and legal opponents from office, blackmailing institutions who dare to think differently, suppressing people’s first amendment rights, ignoring Supreme Court judgements and countless other things that Banana Republics do.

The system by which he got voted in is not a problem.
 
Let me ask you all of this...does anyone get the vibe that trump just wants to go back to the 1880s with the way hes trying to run the show? Like some robber train baron or some stuff. I mean honestly how long before he tries to get kids to work in work houses?

Oh hell they are trying to do that in florida!
 
Nope. What I’m saying is that The Lump has set up concentration camps in El Salvador, he’s kidnapping innocent people, he’s removing his political and legal opponents from office, blackmailing institutions who dare to think differently, suppressing people’s first amendment rights, ignoring Supreme Court judgements and countless other things that Banana Republics do.
And he, The Orange Lump, can do whatever he wants by the grace of everyone who let him get away with al this criminal behaviour. Keep silent, tiptoeing around the orange oracle, be careful, etc. Complices in crime.Time for more to stand up, speak out and expose this fascist behaviour. More protests. More boycots. More noise. If not….well people's choice for a fascist dictatorship, I guess. It's a free world, isn't it?…or so they say. Not saying anything, is saying everything.

America….Land of the Free??…... Not very long anymore if this continues.
Home of the brave?? ………………...Where?
The system by which he got voted in is not a problem.
 
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Since 2020, by eliminating headphones and a power adapter from the iPhone package, Apple has boosted its annual iPhone profits by 4.1% to 8.6%. This profit increase is attributed to savings on packaging and higher accessory sales. I am completely confident that Apple will not raise the price of the iPhone for us; it will stay at $999, just as it has for many years.

Additionally, I'm frustrated by how other countries exploit us with their excessive tariffs. I'm pleased that our US President is standing up against this, and many nations have relented.
 
Since 2020, by eliminating headphones and a power adapter from the iPhone package, Apple has boosted its annual iPhone profits by 4.1% to 8.6%. This profit increase is attributed to savings on packaging and higher accessory sales. I am completely confident that Apple will not raise the price of the iPhone for us; it will stay at $999, just as it has for many years.

Additionally, I'm frustrated by how other countries exploit us with their excessive tariffs. I'm pleased that our US President is standing up against this, and many nations have relented.
So Apple have increased profits by removing bits that most of us don't need. So they have reduced packaging that means they order less material and therefore have less economies of scale so probably end up with less profit.

As for accessory sales, I'll assume you don't know how much off that is the actual accessory they removed?

Exploitative tariffs, there was a piece the other day noting that the tariffs Trumps admin was claiming were untrue, (no surprise there).

Which nations have relented, do you have a list?

It REALLY sounds like you're talking rubbish.
 
Since 2020, by eliminating headphones and a power adapter from the iPhone package, Apple has boosted its annual iPhone profits by 4.1% to 8.6%. This profit increase is attributed to savings on packaging and higher accessory sales. I am completely confident that Apple will not raise the price of the iPhone for us; it will stay at $999, just as it has for many years.

Additionally, I'm frustrated by how other countries exploit us with their excessive tariffs. I'm pleased that our US President is standing up against this, and many nations have relented.
I find it interesting that you admire a man I wouldn't leave alone with my children. A convicted felon, but you're happy. A man who wants to take over other people's countries - by force if necessary. You're still happy. I guess it must be like watching one of your Hollywood films where simplistic values mean the hero does what ever is necessary to win and to hell with everyone else.
 
I find it interesting that you admire a man I wouldn't leave alone with my children. A convicted felon, but you're happy. A man who wants to take over other people's countries - by force if necessary. You're still happy. I guess it must be like watching one of your Hollywood films where simplistic values mean the hero does what ever is necessary to win and to hell with everyone else.
I went through a series of similar questions with a friend of mine the other day, (he'd choose Trump over Kamala as he thinks that Trump would be more convincing on the world stage).
Some of them were;
If at his school he found that one of the teachers was running for School governor but that candidate had been verified saying that he like to deliberately run through young boys changing rooms, (my friend doesn't have daughters but does have sons), would he support his nomination. Answer was no.
If his boss had been found guilty of sexual assault would he be happy to have him promoted to CEO of his business. Answer was no.
If a friend of his despite having cash, had a history of ripping people off and been declared bankrupt a number of times would he deem him a good person to run a bank/business or lend money to. Answer was no.

But he'd still vote Trump and couldn't really articulate what except to summarise with, he'd make a better president.
 
So Apple have increased profits by removing bits that most of us don't need. So they have reduced packaging that means they order less material and therefore have less economies of scale so probably end up with less profit.

As for accessory sales, I'll assume you don't know how much off that is the actual accessory they removed?

Exploitative tariffs, there was a piece the other day noting that the tariffs Trumps admin was claiming were untrue, (no surprise there).

Which nations have relented, do you have a list?

It REALLY sounds like you're talking rubbish.
Did you bother researching it before commenting? If you didn't research it online, I guess you'd rather worship the media than do the real research.

I find it interesting that you admire a man I wouldn't leave alone with my children. A convicted felon, but you're happy. A man who wants to take over other people's countries - by force if necessary. You're still happy. I guess it must be like watching one of your Hollywood films where simplistic values mean the hero does what ever is necessary to win and to hell with everyone else.
Going off-topic, ranting about Trump? Sounds like you have a major TDS.
 
I went through a series of similar questions with a friend of mine the other day, (he'd choose Trump over Kamala as he thinks that Trump would be more convincing on the world stage).
Some of them were;
If at his school he found that one of the teachers was running for School governor but that candidate had been verified saying that he like to deliberately run through young boys changing rooms, (my friend doesn't have daughters but does have sons), would he support his nomination. Answer was no.
If his boss had been found guilty of sexual assault would he be happy to have him promoted to CEO of his business. Answer was no.
If a friend of his despite having cash, had a history of ripping people off and been declared bankrupt a number of times would he deem him a good person to run a bank/business or lend money to. Answer was no.

But he'd still vote Trump and couldn't really articulate what except to summarise with, he'd make a better president.
That might be / have been the case for many Trimp voters…not knowing why. Fall for theatre instead of reason and thinking.
 
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Did you bother researching it before commenting? If you didn't research it online, I guess you'd rather worship the media than do the real research.


Going off-topic, ranting about Trump? Sounds like you have a major TDS.
What ever you want to say I'm asking you about a claim you made.
I'm asking you to back it up, you could have provided links, you didn't so I asked.
It's that simple.

Now let's look at a logical proposition.
If you have reduced packaging, is it not logical to assume you'll need less raw material for the packaging you now use?

As for going off topic, the thread TITLE is;

"Trump Planning Semiconductor Tariffs That Will Impact Apple, No One 'Getting Off the Hook'"​

 
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Have you considered that all countries move through phases? The US now enjoys a much higher average wage than China and most other countries. As a result, producing cheap items is always going to be tricky unless consumers are willing to pay much higher prices. Eventually China's moment will pass as their average wage increases and some other country will be the target for criticism and tariffs.

In times past the US complained about Japan because their cars were both cheaper and better. In the UK it's been everything from clothing to ceramics, replacing what were once key industries.

Trump won't manage to roll back the clock unless robots replace people in assembling phones and other tech. Just like in the UK nobody wants to pick fruit and machines are starting to take over there.

It's quite possible that this is the beginning of the end game for the US and it certainly feels like something similar in the UK. The difference I think you're observing is that Trump wants to go down fighting, taking not only his enemies with him, but pretty much everything the American constitution once valued and stood for.

Meanwhile, neither Apple or any other mass producing tech company will achieve what has been done in China .... unless they enslave their people and pay them a pittance. Hey, actually, that's an idea Trump might run with!
Haha umm let’s hope not !

Fantastic thoughtful response.

Yeah I’m aware that countries go through stages. And I’m talking about production in key industries being better in the USA and the uk etc. not necessarily a whole sale move of the jobs.

I’d agree with you - we won’t see these move back unless there’s automation & I’d fully expect this to happen. My point is - why let china start to get to this point and not the USA?

If trump is saying that hundreds of thousand of production jobs should come back to the USA - I kinda doubt it.

Hey with that and AI, I kinda think that most of will be on a universal basic income soon enough
 
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In the not-so-distant future, if Trump doesn't revert, there will be iPhones made in the US for the US market, very expensive, and iPhones made elsewhere for the rest of the world, much more affordable. In other words, US customers will be subsidizing the employees of US Apple factories. Isn't that rich, coming from an anti-socialist administration?

There will not be iPhones made in the US.

But hey, make it so. If Trump wants $2,000 iPhones to be the norm in the US, let him have it. His ratings are good. Americans want to pay more.
 
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I went through a series of similar questions with a friend of mine the other day, (he'd choose Trump over Kamala as he thinks that Trump would be more convincing on the world stage).
Some of them were;
If at his school he found that one of the teachers was running for School governor but that candidate had been verified saying that he like to deliberately run through young boys changing rooms, (my friend doesn't have daughters but does have sons), would he support his nomination. Answer was no.
If his boss had been found guilty of sexual assault would he be happy to have him promoted to CEO of his business. Answer was no.
If a friend of his despite having cash, had a history of ripping people off and been declared bankrupt a number of times would he deem him a good person to run a bank/business or lend money to. Answer was no.

But he'd still vote Trump and couldn't really articulate what except to summarise with, he'd make a better president.
Because Trump isn’t Joe Biden 2.0 and she had no real plans for the country.

“Bans on price gouging at grocery stores,” and “We’ll help Ukraine” aren’t solutions to major problems. Grocery store have a small profit margin as it is, and Ukraine keeps sucking money from the U.S and it’s a waste.

Neither is “expanding government healthcare for the elderly, disabled, and poor.” Government funded healthcare is one major reason we’re in the debt situation we’re in. People don’t take history lessons from our failed Social Security and student loan system.
 
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