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Companies are absolutely insane to have DEI hiring practices. The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission would sue them into oblivion if you decided to pick someone due to immutable characteristics.

Everyone should be hired on merit alone. Picking someone because of their sexual preference, ethnicity or gender is wrong.

There is no difference between DEI and racism / sexism. In 10 years everyone will look back at this the same way people view slavery today.
Sure if hiring practices aren’t really a meritocracy I agree with what you suggest.
 
Companies are absolutely insane to have DEI hiring practices. The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission would sue them into oblivion if you decided to pick someone due to immutable characteristics.

Everyone should be hired on merit alone. Picking someone because of their sexual preference, ethnicity or gender is wrong.

There is no difference between DEI and racism / sexism. In 10 years everyone will look back at this the same way people view slavery today.

Please tell me how companies having diversity, equity, and inclusive hiring practices are being racist and sexist?
 
So you’re happy with the multitude of issues Apple currently has both software and hardware wise.
False equivalence.

Show your evidence that any of said issues are directly attributable to any sort of DEI program, instead of the thousands of other multivariate factors that could contribute to those issues—you can’t.

You’re just making an assumption based on your own biases, and then creating scapegoats by accepting your own false premise as defacto truth.

Unless, of course…you have access to the resumes, GPAs, and performance reviews of Apple employees.

Oh, you don’t? Then you don’t know what has contributed to those issues at all.
 
You dont think history affects present day? Because there’s literally whole fields of science chock full of peer review research showing how absolutely wrong you are, common sense aside.
Research, smesearch…it’s emotional assessments based on preconceived notions all the way down.

They never have data, their best “evidence” is “…well, if you don’t think that’s how it is…I don’t know what to tell you.”

Seriously, ask any of them 2+ follow-up questions and explain how any of the things they’re complaining about work in detail, and they will always fall back on that hollow canard.
 
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Companies are absolutely insane to have DEI hiring practices. The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission would sue them into oblivion if you decided to pick someone due to immutable characteristics.

Everyone should be hired on merit alone. Picking someone because of their sexual preference, ethnicity or gender is wrong.

There is no difference between DEI and racism / sexism. In 10 years everyone will look back at this the same way people view slavery today.
Feel free to link to data that supports your position.

If you're right, then women and minorities should be making more than white men with similar qualifications in companies with DEI programs. But, of course, that's not true. While DEI closes some of the gap, racist (your word) hiring practices still favor white men.
 
Just get rid of the rules and conduct business as usual. If equity is already embedded in the company culture there is no need for a doctrine. Tim has his marching orders, this is just for show. Carry on Apple, and focus on innovation like perhaps adding yet another iPhone model.
 
If the people concerned about DEI’s impacts put the same level of concern into other areas, like school shootings, just imagine how much we could improve things!

But alas, people can only worry about things that they believe impacts their entitlement.
 
I'm not white. I'm the product of immigrants. I was educated in the public school system and I saw first hand how some kids clearly had different priorities than the rest of us. Instead of focusing on being the top of class, they prioritized their shiny Air Jordans or being the next Kobe Bryant. And like me, many of my friends were raised in immigrant households from Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya and Latin America).
Culture plays a huge factor in achievement, absolutely. My wife is a teacher and what you’re describing is a contrast she sees too, immigrants in general btw, no matter race or ethnicity, tend to (not always of course, just a general trend) be more driven to succeed academically, more pushed to it by family that wants them to do better in this new place, than native born folks. It’s a huge factor in us being a “nation of immigrants”. Immigrants usually see education as the silver bullet to success.

But it’s also worth remembering that that cultural divide, be it a white kid in Appalachia whose family eschews education because the path to success for them was dropping out at 17 to work in the coal mine (and as a result the locals deprioritized spending on education for generations, affecting now) or an african american kid whose family was so stopped by structural racism for centuries in seeking education, and whose family’s educational opportunities were even more restricted even in recent times by practices such as redlining, that they turned to other avenues as potential success, or women of any ethnicity who were told until recently their only place was in the home and kitchen and only in living memory have gained ability to do things like open a credit card in their own name and still, to this day, are often discouraged out of STEM fields, or etc often come, as I noted in this giant run on sentence from vast historical trends that need vast resources to change

The only entity with those kinds of resources is the federal government. That’s what the dept of ed on the federal level’s job actually is btw - working to reverse the effects of historical discrimination or factors and working to stop instances of current discrimination and factors that leads to some groups of folks eschewing education, be it culturally or through lack of access or both
 
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You are aware of the parable of how to boil a frog yes? What you say sounds reasonable, but ignores the fact that the original DEI order is currently being evaluated for it even being legal, and that Trump believes Bullying is a 'negotiating' strategy. And it has worked for him, he first said we should ban TikTok, but then when they visited him in Mar a lago and donated to his campaign, he flip flopped faster than a chameleon changing colors. Shocker. So yeah, politicians have been voicing opinions for ages, but no one is going to gaslight me into thinking that's what's going on now. People with a conscience who are paying attention have gotten out of the water your preaching. Feel free to stay in. It's a free country, for now.

And no one is going to gaslight me into thinking this post was some sort of order. An opinion, public urging or recommendation does not carry the weight of an official order that a company (Apple in this case) do something.

I have no problem with people criticizing Trump's, or any other president's, opinions on things but don't label them as orders when they are only opinions, recommendations, etc. For those who don't like Trump and/or his policies, there should be plenty of things to take issue with (the guy is running a mile a minute right now) but don't waste time and energy arguing that a social media post was actually an order. As I said, presidents and other elected officials have been expressing opinions and recommendations about activities in the private sector for ages and will continue to do so.
 
It should be illegal to have hiring policies that discriminate based on skin color or gender.

See post #228 in this thread

That’s not what DEI initiatives do at all.

As usual for one side of the aisle, it’s an oversimplification to the point of incoherence so it can be grossly mischaracterized and sold as “common sense” to people who don’t want to do anything beyond surface-level thinking.

DEI programs don’t dictate: “hire this person over another because of x or y characteristic”.

What they do is focus on things like looking at recruiting practices, where positions are listed, how job descriptions are written, and other things that are meant to diversify the applicant pool. These programs also look at things like internal training to make sure, again, that opportunities for advancement are open to all groups.

The idea that companies hire entire staffs to just say: “no whites, and we need 3 women, and 2 Pacific Islanders (or whatever) out of this hiring cycle regardless of qualification,” is patently silly if one thinks about it for more than 2 seconds.

It is easier to be against something that one fundamentally misunderstands—unfortunately too many people involved in politics—from all parties and/or ideologies—are happy to outsource any ounce of critical thinking to simply fall among tribal lines.
 
ITT folks who could benefit from reading The Lavender Scare by David Johnson.

One thing that has been surprising but not shocking about this administration is the reach of the state into the private sector. Even during the Red Scare (which was a direct follow on/overlapped with the Lavender Scare) the state used its coercive power of military contracts to change hiring practices and discrimination in the private sector but didn't explicitly take the approach this article focuses on. This is a lot more naked.
 
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