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Personally I only care about having the best Apple products possible and this products being market leaders, however we're not getting that the last two years, the reasons are very clear, to those of us that deal with facts and reality.

Unless you know the internal workings of Apple, on a c-suite level, you have no more of an idea than anyone else on here what is going on with them. It's conjecture and speculation, not "facts and reality".

Get off your high horse.
 
Incorrect. DEI is about white hatred. If you believe that someone should be hired over someone else because their skin color is preferable, you're a racist and you're just like the racist white southerners from the 1960s. That is what DEI is, favoring people based on their skin color and other traits. It's shocking how you can write what you did and have no self-reflection.

Just to make it clear: judging someone based o their race is wrong and illegal. So, please stop doing it.
All nonsense of course. Even with DEI, women and minorities are paid less and advance more slowly than similarly qualified white men. For example.

The main goal of modern DEI initiatives isn't to advance unqualified women and minorities. It's to make sure that qualified women and minorities are given similar opportunities. Are there bad implementations? Of course! But that doesn't change the overal data.

Eliminating DEI doesn't create a process that ignores race. It returns to a process that favors white men.
 
Personally I only care about having the best Apple products possible and this products being market leaders, however we're not getting that the last two years, the reasons are very clear, to those of us that deal with facts and reality.

You clearly have no idea how long Apple products are in the pipeline before seeing public release
 
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I have volunteered as EMS for more than a decade, I have lost count of how many people (and it’s *always* people so white I’m surprised they dont bleed mayonaise) requesting not going to a specific hospital because of “the black doctors”, “the Jews”, “the Indians”, etc

I'm not white. I'm the product of immigrants. I was educated in the public school system and I saw first hand how some kids clearly had different priorities than the rest of us. Instead of focusing on being the top of class, they prioritized their shiny Air Jordans or being the next Kobe Bryant. And like me, many of my friends were raised in immigrant households from Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya and Latin America).
 
Unless you know the internal workings of Apple, on a c-suite level, you have no more of an idea than anyone else on here what is going on with them. It's conjecture and speculation, not "facts and reality".

Get off your high horse.
Nothing to do with a high horse, (as it happens, I'm one of Apples biggest fans) as a consumer my facts & reality are based on the products the company brings out and they are no longer market leading products.
My brand loyalty has limits and if this carries on, for another two years, I will be moving on from Apple.
 
DEI is cancer.

Just another parroting GOP trash.
Maybe "reading is fundamental" should be the phrase of the day.


DEI has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with those that have been discriminated against get an equal shake when qualified. Affirmative Action and DEI only say you also need to seek out QUALIFIED diverse candidates.

Here in AmeriKKKa it was okay for hundreds of years to exclude people from education, employment, housing, etc purely based on race.
Jim Crow, Black Codes and segregation in this country was exactly and explicitly Apartheid and to call it anything else is a lie. We are yet 60 years from Apartheid is America and we see that the dialog about equitable treatment for everyone is still a problem for white supremacists.
 
Why is the government telling private corporations how to handle their internal affairs? Isn't the Republican Party all about reducing and limiting the role of government?
“Do as I say, not as I do” applies in today’s world. One man’s waste is another man’s need, saying also applies. A country is Not a business.
 
Nothing to do with a high horse, (as it happens, I'm one of Apples biggest fans) as a consumer my facts & reality are based on the products the company brings out and they are no longer market leading products.
My brand loyalty has limits and if this carries on, for another two years, I will be moving on from Apple.
I vote with my $$$ also and I believe Apple still produces market leading products. As always with all things Apple YMMV.
 
Apple is a private company and can do what it wants! What happened to the right saying government should keep its hands out of business?!
Even before you get as far as it being a company, it's just good to be a nice person and consider at the very least all applicants so a diverse workforce can ensure representation for all sectors of the population.
 
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Federal law (Civil Rights Law of 1964) prohibits hiring based on race. Please explain how that squares with your preferred method of hiring people based on their race.
That’s not what DEI initiatives do at all.

As usual for one side of the aisle, it’s an oversimplification to the point of incoherence so it can be grossly mischaracterized and sold as “common sense” to people who don’t want to do anything beyond surface-level thinking.

DEI programs don’t dictate: “hire this person over another because of x or y characteristic”.

What they do is focus on things like looking at recruiting practices, where positions are listed, how job descriptions are written, and other things that are meant to diversify the applicant pool. These programs also look at things like internal training to make sure, again, that opportunities for advancement are open to all groups.

The idea that companies hire entire staffs to just say: “no whites, and we need 3 women, and 2 Pacific Islanders (or whatever) out of this hiring cycle regardless of qualification,” is patently silly if one thinks about it for more than 2 seconds.

It is easier to be against something that one fundamentally misunderstands—unfortunately too many people involved in politics—from all parties and/or ideologies—are happy to outsource any ounce of critical thinking to simply fall among tribal lines.
 
The shareholders already voted and decided to keep them. Why is he even chiming in?
Lots of his constituents get … aroused when he say anything against these “leftist agendas”, thus buying him political currency to do bunch of other shady things without blow back
 
Companies are absolutely insane to have DEI hiring practices. The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission would sue them into oblivion if you decided to pick someone due to immutable characteristics.

Everyone should be hired on merit alone. Picking someone because of their sexual preference, ethnicity or gender is wrong.

There is no difference between DEI and racism / sexism. In 10 years everyone will look back at this the same way people view slavery today.
 
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