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I haven’t brought it up any time recently. That's a fact. That is the truth. There is no counter 'your’ truth is you have. I haven't. Find it. Link me a post where I've brought it up ANY TIME recently, that isn't just replying to your off topic gibberish. I am encouraging you to prove me wrong. Not sure what else I can do, to stand behind my statement but that. And in the past I've taken it even further, and said if I am being bigoted or hateful, I encourage the mods to ban me even though I would very much not want that, after being here for over a decade and still enjoying being a member / and this community in general. Because I have been neither, I'm still around... posting. Look at that! That's how certain I am that what I'm doing, to clarify in direct response to what YOU are doing, is not at all wrong nor coming from a wrong place. I actually question where you are coming from, given how the topic has been a subject of obsession for you for far too long.

When questioned I provided evidence. Ample. As much as one can provide, shy of seeing Former First Lady nude with our very own eyes in the flesh... which I've stated as well... Including mentions of her by the name Michael, accidentally, repeatedly, from the words of Obama himself on video. Not just once. Repeatedly. And he held his nanny very dear to his heart growing up who was transgender and referenced in his biography repeatedly as a big influence (surprised you didn’t know that, for as
Much as you like the guy, you should
Read more about him in general here's another random link from half a second of googling about it - https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...nny-was-transgender-now-lives-outcast/330961/), transgender bathroom laws were a key point to his administration, and there are several occasions there is a visually protruding bulge where theres either a coincidental optical illusion, repeatedly, (again, basic understanding of statistics would dictate that is incredibly unlikely to occur on multiple occasions and have it just be a nothingburger) and my eyes can only see what the camera picks up in different lighting dresses and occasions.

Joan rivers said without a punchline to a TMZ reporter we already have our first gay president, Obama. Then there was lots of manufactured outrage like you are doing now.

here's that post you keep forgetting about every single time, conveniently, with references, where I've already mentioned all this:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...dition-this-time.2137380/page-4#post-26587991

This is dated back from end of September, 2018! And I'm pretty sure you wanting to discuss it further, goes back even further but I will concede I am too lazy to look it up! So again, I think it is you who has Michelle Obama Genital Guessing Game Derangement Syndrome, not myself, who doesn't bring it up but also doesn't back down to cowardice and.. derangement.

Who you really want to be arguing with and taking this up with is now deceased Joan Rivers who you cant, Obama himself since he said Michael himself a few times on camera, The Guardian / The Atlantic / etc for researching his nanny, his biography for mentioning his nanny, his key administration policy agendas, photographers who captured this protruding bulge, maybe Michelle herself, and possibly Alex Jones haha, *not* myself. Resist the urge, resist!



All circumstantial evidence would suggest its at minimum real possibility. People get sex changes. It doesn't consume my thoughts day in day out. You debunked none of it. None. And none of it is hateful. I don’t really want to discuss it at length anymore, because I *already* have and as I've repeatedly stated as well: it’s not as interesting To me as it is to you. Its been brought up so many times, and its not recently come to my attention, these data points, so I don't think its interesting at all, whatsoever.

I’ve also stated this repeatedly. I don't back down to cowardly demands. You wouldn't know anything about that. But 0 for 5 my dude. ZERO.

Also have you noticed how many times I've said 'repeatedly' in this thread? Why is that? Its almost like I'm repeating myself over something we've gone over, repeatedly. Little Richard seems to have very short term memory. Cue the ' well I just wanted to bring it up, not to silence or discredit you, just wanted to throw it out there'. How thoughtful!

So let people live their lives (which includes being allowed to have different opinions than you but which you don't seem to understand for all your tolerance preaching), sex
changes or not, stop saying “any rational” person knows someone didn’t get a sex change that’s a bigoted statement to make given your obsessive behavior and manufactured outrage about it, and carry on already instead of acting like a childish man baby. It’s creepy and obsessive and unrelated to the subject of the five threads including this one I pointed you to.

An apology and humility and your commitment to not acting obsessively, creepily, and off-topic, down the road in a sixth thread, and yet another time, would be much appreciated!

I hope after that, we can get back to the key subject thread that orange man bad and praising Apple bad and let others pitch in on things that arent just "OMG THAT MICHELLE ARGUMENT THO!"

Imo, you need some fresh air from the swamp and outrage culture too (as I've also mentioned too, but feel even more strongly about) ;) take a breather
Take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard. This Trump criticism has clearly got you triggered so hard you’re losing it.
 
Take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard. This Trump criticism has clearly got you triggered so hard you’re losing it.

No I provided overwhelming evidence for someone that creepily brings up the same subject over and over again unsolicited and obsessively. And refuses to acknowledge any
Of it.

Not listening to your crap either / don’t get involved in this one. Nice try tho

That’s not an argument either
 
He said he wanted a wall that Mexico was going to pay for. And now he shut down the government and put thousands out of work in a sad attempt to get American taxpayers to pay for the wall. Not sure that is considered doing what he said he would do. In fact, it's the exact opposite.
Because 99% of politicians would claim they will build a wall, and the very second they get voted in will bin the entire plan and idea... instantly. That’s what is the norm. Vote me in and I’ll do this or that.. get voted in and into the fire that manifesto goes..
 
Because 99% of politicians would claim they will build a wall, and the very second they get voted in will bin the entire plan and idea... instantly. That’s what is the norm. Vote me in and I’ll do this or that.. get voted in and into the fire that manifesto goes..
Lol what a load of crap. The people didn't vote for a stupidly funded wall. They voted for a wall funded by someone else. Trump is worse than your typical politician.
 
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Here's the original speech, so you don't need to trash talk and blow up details that are of no relevance, jump to 46:43


There are some good and true points made by Trump and those around him so he deserves credit where it is due for border security but then double standards is what I don’t like.

The irony from Trump. “Without a border we don’t have a country” is what Trump said. Now while this is true of what he says he picks and chooses when this policy is applicable :rolleyes: . Overseas in The Middle East the Palestinians have asked to have their borders recognized as well but he seems to have double standards when it comes to borders and border security.:rolleyes:
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Lol what a load of crap. The people didn't vote for a stupidly funded wall. They voted for a wall funded by someone else. Trump is worse than your typical politician.

I remember when back in the days my parents bought a house and there was no wall between us and our neighbors. We agreed to put a wall up and split the bill 50/50 with each neighbor. There was a house to the left, to the right and to the back. 3 neighbors in total. Each side split the cost of the wall. This was back in 1979. Neighbors have dogs or pets and no one wants other pets in their backyard. In this case the US has a neighbor with a high number of criminals and many Americans don’t want criminals coming in. I can sort of see how some people support a wall.
 
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Apple should definitely make their phones in the US. Just like Trump's clothing brand is all made in the US. Oh, oops, never mind.:rolleyes:

They might be able to do final assembly here but they will never get away from partial manufacturing in China. Not until processors etc are totally revamped. Because China has the worlds largest cache of vital rare earth metals and they made it illegal to export those metals in the raw. Forcing folks to manufacture in China.
 
They might be able to do final assembly here but they will never get away from partial manufacturing in China. Not until processors etc are totally revamped. Because China has the worlds largest cache of vital rare earth metals and they made it illegal to export those metals in the raw. Forcing folks to manufacture in China.
Afghanistan apparently has a ton of rare earth metals too but that is no place to move to setup a factory :eek:
 
I think Apple and it’s stock will be fine, and it is up thousands of percent. Of course that figure depends on how far back you look. Since the Great US Recession, Apple is up hundreds of percent.
 
In before the reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Orange man bad
Orange man to blame for $1000 iPhone pricing established retroactive to the trade war
Orange man stifles innovation

.... AND! Orange man erroneously talks stocks. That is, when Orange man isnt making typos.

Also how dare he defend Apple, I am so upset he didn’t say they’re doomed.

My day is ruined. Like yesterday, the day before, tomorrow, And the day after.
I suspect orange man pooped in my cereal too because it tasted kinda funky this morning.
This was the most asinine thing I've ever read in these comments wtf..
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How dare Trump say the trillion dollar company will ‘be fine’!

He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, Apple wont be fine!

Wait... does one now have to go against Apple just to spite the man? That’s great :D
You'd be surprised what lengths I would go to to spite that man and much, much more... And abandoning my loyalty to Apple wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket.
 
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okay, your house doesn't need walls either. walls/fences are normal usages for demarcation of your home versus others. Please actually come with debatable points. You're starting to sound like an NPC.


If you get a good neighbor he will split the cost of the wall with him but if you get a bad neighbor he will not split the cost of a wall with him and an even worse neighbor will protest and object to you putting up a wall. On your own property one should be able to put up a wall if they want to. 50/50 is usually the best way to resolve an issue.
[doublepost=1546749406][/doublepost]Trump is right, Apple will be fine. They just will not make as much and sell as much as they used to. Has anyone seen the prices of an iPhone in UK,Turkey,Italy,Brazil and Australia? Not cheap any more.. Back in the days you can buy a used motorcycle or car for that amount and today you can buy a laptop for that much money or even less.
 
okay, your house doesn't need walls either. walls/fences are normal usages for demarcation of your home versus others. Please actually come with debatable points. You're starting to sound like an NPC.


Every country on this planet is defined as a country by it's borders and without a wall around it. Every state in this country is defined with borders and without the need of walls. That is not a debatable point that is a simple fact. Or are you really trying to suggest a country is not a country without a wall around it? Where does the USA stop and Canada begin if there is no wall to define it's border? Do you see how stupid your point is now?

A house by it's very definition is a building for habitation. And a building by it's definition is a structure with a roof and walls. Don't tell others to come with debatable points when you're the one making the suggestion that a wall somehow defines the borders of a country when that is simply false.
 
Every country on this planet is defined as a country by it's borders and without a wall around it. Every state in this country is defined with borders and without the need of walls. That is not a debatable point that is a simple fact. Or are you really trying to suggest a country is not a country without a wall around it? Where does the USA stop and Canada begin if there is no wall to define it's border? Do you see how stupid your point is now?

A house by it's very definition is a building for habitation. And a building by it's definition is a structure with a roof and walls. Don't tell others to come with debatable points when you're the one making the suggestion that a wall somehow defines the borders of a country when that is simply false.

Not every country, some have not defined their borders and put up walls ;)
 
Not every country, some have not defined their borders and put up walls ;)


Some have walls at certain border points but not around the entire country. Some countries may argue of where the borders start/stop (e.g. Israel) but that doesn't change the point I was making.
 
Some have walls at certain border points but not around the entire country. Some countries may argue of where the borders start/stop (e.g. Israel) but that doesn't change the point I was making.


;):p

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I would love it if Apple started manufacturing products in the US. But the democrats and unions have chased all the jobs or any reason to create those jobs out of the US. Witness Detroit. The infrastructure and ability doesn't even exist right now in the US.

So they do so in China where they can get labor for next to nothing and the government turns a blind eye. Most people would balk at the price of any Apple product if fair wages were involved. I think Apple tries to make itself sound like a feel good company/product, but let's be honest. They care about the bottom line more than anything or anybody.
 
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Love that look on Tim's face, makes me laugh every time I see it. Reminds me of Beaker from Muppets...

Yeah. Same here dude. Looks like Tim it’s bored and waiting 2 be at home with his wife watching a movie or something but had 2 be there listening to Donald talking about fake news, right?
 
How much attention can one man grab? Trump 24/7.
Blame it on the cheap media hawking all over the orange man just because they like the noise being generated. If the media would actually do proper journalism, they will report better stuff.
 
Blame it on the cheap media hawking all over the orange man just because they like the noise being generated. If the media would actually do proper journalism, they will report better stuff.
Sure. They created him, made it possible to make him president and don’t call out the non-stop lying, deception and incompetence. But what do you want if media is as deviding as politics itself? It’s a vicious circle with no easy solutions. This problem will not go away any time soon.
 
Every country on this planet is defined as a country by it's borders and without a wall around it. Every state in this country is defined with borders and without the need of walls. That is not a debatable point that is a simple fact. Or are you really trying to suggest a country is not a country without a wall around it? Where does the USA stop and Canada begin if there is no wall to define it's border? Do you see how stupid your point is now?

A house by it's very definition is a building for habitation. And a building by it's definition is a structure with a roof and walls. Don't tell others to come with debatable points when you're the one making the suggestion that a wall somehow defines the borders of a country when that is simply false.

Well, this is sort of true but when you have a neighboring country constantly sending shady characters illegally into your country then perhaps it’s time to build that wall. In the old days, major nations and countries did have walls to keep people out. Those walls DID have doors though so you could enter but it wasn’t a free for all.

I still don’t see what’s so bad about a wall between us and Mexico. Save the bleeding heart crap too....tell me why logically it’s not a good idea. Those that want to come here LEGALLY will still be able to. The wall is a deterrent for the low life’s and probably lots of people we don’t want here. I don’t see a problem with it.
 
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Lol what a load of crap. The people didn't vote for a stupidly funded wall. They voted for a wall funded by someone else. Trump is worse than your typical politician.

He wants to build a wall, that’s not a ‘load of crap’, and your twisting my argument.
I’d also like proof that he has shut down the US government to make America pay for a wall....
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Well, this is sort of true but when you have a neighboring country constantly sending shady characters illegally into your country then perhaps it’s time to build that wall. In the old days, major nations and countries did have walls to keep people out. Those walls DID have doors though so you could enter but it wasn’t a free for all.

I still don’t see what’s so bad about a wall between us and Mexico. Save the bleeding heart crap too....tell me why logically it’s not a good idea. Those that want to come here LEGALLY will still be able to. The wall is a deterrent for the low life’s and probably lots of people we don’t want here. I don’t see a problem with it.

As I understand a lot of drugs flow through the Mexican border into the US, beefed up security and walls may help to stop that, but that argument is forgotten about when it’s Trump who wants to build the wall.
It’s stupid anyway to argue against it, what is their currently? Miles and miles of tall security fencing with 24/7 armed border patrols. I am not right is saying that? What’s the difference between 10 foot high security fencing and a security wall?
 
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Well, this is sort of true but when you have a neighboring country constantly sending shady characters illegally into your country then perhaps it’s time to build that wall. In the old days, major nations and countries did have walls to keep people out. Those walls DID have doors though so you could enter but it wasn’t a free for all.

What countries would those be?


I still don’t see what’s so bad about a wall between us and Mexico. Save the bleeding heart crap too....tell me why logically it’s not a good idea. Those that want to come here LEGALLY will still be able to. The wall is a deterrent for the low life’s and probably lots of people we don’t want here. I don’t see a problem with it.


I dont see an issue with a wall in some spots, some spots are just logistically not optional. Add the fact that almost 2000 miles is a lot of ground to cover making it practically impossible to cover it all. As pointed out over and over, most illegals come here legally and stay past their limits, the wall will do nothing to stop that. A wall will slow down some but that's about it. It also wont stop the drug flow that comes over, under and around the wall as well as being smuggled in via the road ways when they do slip through the check points.

One thing we could do, try focusing in on the reasons people come to this country illegally. Maybe try to work with the countries that have the biggest issue of people leaving. I know that's not a popular idea cause chances are it would take considerable resources but personally I think it would have a greater effect over the long term then simply pretending a wall will magically stop the issues. As for drugs, theres no stopping it, period. Cause the current wall hasn't had any major impact on the issues. Adding a few more feet also wont magically stop it from those coming up with ways to get it over here. Id say you could also go after companies hard that hire illegals but Trump supporters might have an issue with that given his history of hiring undocumented workers. Hypocrisy is something that is ignored when it comes to Trump and his supporters.
 
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