As much as people and media are willing to give him. Just because he's a 'celebrity' and even the president doesn't mean everything he says or does needs to be spotlighted. What would have happened if he had been mostly ignored as a candidate? No presidency.
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Exactly. So Trump is right: the media IS the enemy of the people! This is all on them.
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How does reporting what the POTUS does equate to being the enemy of the people? Please explain that logic.
First of all I have to strongly disagree on your main point. Donal Trump is a perfect candidate to run a hotdog stand. Regarding your other stamens I have to say I fully agree with you.
He has made that argument, several times. See here, for example: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tunes-directory.2131173/page-38#post-26328770
And, contrary to what he thinks, I’m not stalking him or going out of my way to bring this up, but every couple of months or so I see him arguing about how everyone is so mean to and irrational in their attacks on Trump and how no one ever did anything like that with Obama, and I can’t help but bring up his insistence that Michelle Obama has male genitalia (and that her real name is Michael).
So when the market is soaring it's due to Trump's brilliance but when it tanks, well that's just normal volatility?
The meeting with Kim is hardly something to offer as a success. The dope went into the meeting actually bragging that he doesn't have to prepare because he would be able to assess Kim in a few minutes. After the meeting he bragged that we no longer have to worry about a nuclear N. Korea, but in reality nothing was accomplished.
The tax break was a gift to GOP donors and is estimated to add $1.4 trillion to the national debt over the next decade. Since when is ballooning debt something to list as an accomplishment?
You may disagree with the mandate but the Supreme Court has ruled that it is constitutional.
Etc. I could go on and dispute most of your other claims but I think nuff said.
Yet, this incompetant fool is embraced by the Republican establishment while holding their noses. How low can we go?
He said he wanted a wall that Mexico was going to pay for. And now he shut down the government and put thousands out of work in a sad attempt to get American taxpayers to pay for the wall. Not sure that is considered doing what he said he would do. In fact, it's the exact opposite.
Exactly.
I was just thinking... why is OUR government shut down because Trump can't get his wall built... when he told us that Mexico will pay for it? He said HUNDREDS of times that Mexico will pay for it. I remember.
Meanwhile... Mexico's government is still open...
Just imagine if Obama met with Kim, and if he lowered taxes, the praises people
Would be singing ! On both sides of the aisle! And the skepticism that would follow if a select few actually criticized him for either tremendous accomplishment. and that would be fair skepticism indeed. Because it’s trump, it’s bad!!! No other explanation can be provided or afforded. Your only argument is emotions. And myself, and others not consumed by emotions, don’t find them particularly compelling.
Job reports are so strong Obama wants to take credit for things that happened after his administration. After saying they aren’t coming back and his “what are you gonna do wave a wand?” And liberals say with a straight face Obama didn’t have an ego Either. Appeared on as many late night shows and Hollywood skits as possible, but he did it out of selflessness! To coddle your frail emotions! Look where we are now
Ridiculous but believable ! Good day scholar! I don’t know why I reply to these posts where people can’t argue with accomplishments so they spin them as bad.
I know what the reaction from the left would be if Obama met Kim. Everyone does.
We didn’t get nuked. We were told repeatedly
We would be because of his tweets, and we have diplomacy and north and South Korea are
Finally
Meeting and chatting too. World peace Baaaaaaad because orange man baaaaad. The argument is that nuanced.
Just a heads up too - your long-term strategy STINKS!
The hysteria loses its potency and effectiveness over time, like the boy who cried wolf. It’s just not believable after a while / most people with lives don’t care how upset you are about anything because when you’re upset about everything and anything up until now, it becomes petty and inconsequential. God forbid you actually were to bring up a real point, it would get drowned out by all your false flags of outrage because you’ve destroyed your own reputation, of your OWN will, and then proceeded to blame orange man too for your OWN sustained ridiculousness and irrationality. How crazy is that! It again plays into a certain group of people never having any sense of personal responsibility. So again, how could they POSSIBLY wrap their head around successes of others much less our nation?
Syria pull out bad and because Trump is anti-war, liberals now say “WHY!!!!! KEEP THE TROOPS IN SYRIA! THEY MUST STAY!” Without explanation
Just like liberals getting upset over Trump saying Apple will be ‘fine’. Totally unhinged ferel ideologues.
You guys are one trick ponies that make virtually everything partisan and negative. Sick bunch / loser mentality. You don’t even see the successes of US as a success for all in US. You see it as bad because it happened on trump’s watch and/or success stokes his ego. Who really cares? Does that matter, if he’s getting things done in the end? Doesn’t to me! Why does someone having an ego keep you up at night? You really do hate him more than you love our country.
Self Evident with all your nonsense and pettiness, which you have made your ‘thing’. You can say whatever you want, the context is crystal clear to me
“I could go on” hahaha! Alright
Bud
Please don’t though, the very few “arguments” you put forth were pathetic. Quit while you’re not ahead. More money in people’s pockets and us not getting nuked are not bad or dire situations. You can’t possibly spin that. Only sponge like TDS minds buy into that drivel. You live in such a privileged situation that you get to manufacture outrage because you don’t have real issues to face, other than some combination of self loathing and delusion. Thats how great life could be, but yet, you waste it on something that doesn’t even matter and isnt going to change the course of A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
It’s time for all the manbabies to wake up, remove your feces crusted diapers (which I’m sure is Trump’s fault too, somehow, that he didn’t personally come over and change them for you), put your big boy pants on, and put one foot in front of the other. Your predetermined hostility towards this president is something you are entitled to feel, but at the same time, recognize it means absolutely N-O-T-H-I-N-G to most of us, it even means nothing to his rational critics who can proceed to move on with their lives and not let it bog them down at every turn.. and its something YOU will have to wrestle with, and learn how to somehow live a rational peaceful life consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome (which I’m convinced cannot ‘co-exist’) not anyone else.
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Except the amount of those jobs would pale in comparison to the amount of jobs lost to the robots that replace them.
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Um come again?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
Holy smokes the salt is plentiful in this thread and on MR in general lmao.
Pre-election: Trump is a larger than life figure. He's outrageous! Hollywood, Oprah, everyone loves him!
Post-escalator ride: ORANGE MAN RACIST NAZI MISOGYNIST HE HATES ALL MEXICANS AND IMMIGRANTS REEE
Reality: His wife is a LEGAL immigrant, his daughter is married to a Jewish guy, he is the only president to ever hold the LGBT flag on stage, etc. This man loves his country and is genuinely trying to help every single American, regardless of political persuasion. Yes, even those screeching idiots who were totes cool with MUH DRUMPF before he even began to get into politics and now want him dead. He's an incredible threat to the establishment and lazy, shady politicians, so they want to "IMPEACH THE ************" (very classy coming from a sitting member of Congress).
It's fascinating how much hatred has been manufactured and spread through the media. They are the worst offenders in all of this. Nothing but pure hatred for this man. It's a coup and it's awful to watch this unfair aggression and hatred take place every single day.
But yes folks, continue using your $1k telephones, $2k tablets and $4k iMacs...consumerism and capitalism are really nice! BUT you can't have these fancy things in a communist/socialist society, so...may want to change that hammer and sickle background on your beloved iPhone. Your priority will quickly shift from Tim's gadgets to figuring out how to find and afford food (see Venezuela).
Pre-election: Trump is a larger than life figure. He's outrageous! Hollywood, Oprah, everyone loves him!
Post-escalator ride: ORANGE MAN RACIST NAZI MISOGYNIST HE HATES ALL MEXICANS AND IMMIGRANTS REEE
Reality: His wife is a LEGAL immigrant, his daughter is married to a Jewish guy, he is the only president to ever hold the LGBT flag on stage, etc. This man loves his country and is genuinely trying to help every single American, regardless of political persuasion. Yes, even those screeching idiots who were totes cool with MUH DRUMPF before he even began to get into politics and now want him dead. He's an incredible threat to the establishment and lazy, shady politicians, so they want to "IMPEACH THE ************" (very classy coming from a sitting member of Congress).
It's fascinating how much hatred has been manufactured and spread through the media. They are the worst offenders in all of this. Nothing but pure hatred for this man. It's a coup and it's awful to watch this unfair aggression and hatred take place every single day.
But yes folks, continue using your $1k telephones, $2k tablets and $4k iMacs...consumerism and capitalism are really nice! BUT you can't have these fancy things in a communist/socialist society, so...may want to change that hammer and sickle background on your beloved iPhone. Your priority will quickly shift from Tim's gadgets to figuring out how to find and afford food (see Venezuela).
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Wow. A lot of emotion here.
Just wanted to point out that:
1. Trump said he was responsible for Apple stock rising hundreds of percent. That is a gross exaggeration.
2. Apple is complicit in its problems after hiking up its prices in a moment of extreme headwinds: rising dollar, slowdown of the Chinese economy, etc.
3. Trump is responsible as well for the market decline: starting a trade war, shutting down the US govt, flooding the market with a sugar rush/crash of tax cuts for corporations and the super wealthy.
Now, a different question is, do you think the stuff above in 3) will be positive and beneficial for the US in the long run? Personally, I would say, definitely not. The border wall with Mexico is an extremely expensive and useless political gesture that will suck resources from much greater societal needs. The debt from the tax cuts will impoverish future generations while never trickling down as proven time and time again by President Reagan’s tax cuts etc. And unemployment is actually at 8% when you factor those who simply stopped looking for jobs.
*Who are those who stopped looking for jobs? Largely white male former factory workers who will not benefit even if robots do manufacture iPhones within the US.
Just wanted to point out that:
1. Trump said he was responsible for Apple stock rising hundreds of percent. That is a gross exaggeration.
2. Apple is complicit in its problems after hiking up its prices in a moment of extreme headwinds: rising dollar, slowdown of the Chinese economy, etc.
3. Trump is responsible as well for the market decline: starting a trade war, shutting down the US govt, flooding the market with a sugar rush/crash of tax cuts for corporations and the super wealthy.
Now, a different question is, do you think the stuff above in 3) will be positive and beneficial for the US in the long run? Personally, I would say, definitely not. The border wall with Mexico is an extremely expensive and useless political gesture that will suck resources from much greater societal needs. The debt from the tax cuts will impoverish future generations while never trickling down as proven time and time again by President Reagan’s tax cuts etc. And unemployment is actually at 8% when you factor those who simply stopped looking for jobs.
*Who are those who stopped looking for jobs? Largely white male former factory workers who will not benefit even if robots do manufacture iPhones within the US.
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Id say imagine what the Right would say about Obama talking to Kim and others we would generally consider not our friends but we don't have to imagine it, we know exactly what they would say because they did say it.
https://www.vox.com/2018/3/9/17100880/north-korea-republicans-right-conservatives-obama
https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-video-trump-obama-north-korea-848618
https://www.newsweek.com/obama-putin-meeting-criticism-377689
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/20/AR2008052001777.html
Do you see the irony here?
Do you remember Trump saying how the job's reports were faked but when they showed positive results for him they were real. Let me remind you in case you forgot.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ey-made-him-look-good/?utm_term=.e9a1a2f57062
As for Obama taking credit for the initial markets after Trump took office, the markets were great when Obama left and Trump took over. The thing about market news and the President, they get the praises when the markets are good and the sourness when they are bad, even if their policies played little to do with it. That's standard practice in politics. When Trump took over, Obama's policies that did have a positive effect were still in play. Just like when Obama took over, we were still feeling the effects that happened under the Bush years. Add the fact that Presidential policies generally take time for results to show up in the markets. Short of moves like tax cuts, most policies don't have immediate effects on markets. Tariffs for instant take longer to reflect in the markets because they are done over a period of time and their effects can result in long term effects on the markets. Which is why markets took a short hit when Trump initially announced them as the markets dont like tariffs to begin with but then bounced back. Now we are actually seeing those results long after those announcements which are having a direct negative effect on the markets. Trump's not the only factor on the markets right now, but his policies are still playing a part.
I don't think anyone actually believed the random quotes from random people saying we'ed be nuked, but did you really forget the twitter rants by Trump against Kim that set off some hostility? You don't remember the my nuke button is bigger then yours back and forth with NK?
Actually people were upset about how Trump come out of no where and said he was pulling troops. He didn't even advice those that matter, you know the Pentagon. Or did you also forget that was one of the final straw moments for Mattis? Random knee jerk military action via twitter is not a proper way to dictate policy.
Maybe you haven't noticed but Presidents in the past don't generally put out their views on private business. One it's against the law to attempt to influence employment of a business, such as Trump did with the NFL players. And two Trump commenting on Apple after his own actions had a result on their bottom line is pretty low. The sad part is, it's nothing out of the ordinary that we've come to expect from Trump. So anyone annoyed by that kind of has a valid point. When it comes to private business, Trump needs to keep his views to himself because of the position he is in, hence why you didn't see other Presidents injecting their opinions on such matters because they understood the power of their influence and what it meant, Trump not so much.
Trump has been his own worst enemy. The man acts like a child, he has worse tantrums then my 5 yr old. That's not how a President should act, ever. He constantly provides daily new material, hence why the media and the rest of us are always talking about him. The man is a mess and so is his WH. He has the highest turn over rate in his admin then any other in modern history, if not ever. That's the same man that also said he hires only the best people. The same best people who have had the most scandals under any admin too. Remember how he said if Clinton won she would be under constant investigation? The man is under 15+ separate investigations ATM, oh the irony.
This and so much more, Trump, he's the gift that keeps on giving.
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Ironically enough, many of those are Trump supporters who will be hurting the longer the shutdown continues.
Couldn't read the rest of your nonsense post because the justification is now "liberals are staunchly pro war... because Commander and Chief didn't get advice from the pentagon!"
LO friggin L. Epic! Thats what troubles you! I'm literally cracking up.. if only this weren't reality for so many, it would be that much funnier.
Classical liberals are rolling in their graves. Their party has been completely taken over by disillusioned pro-war communists who stand for less than nothing except orange man bad. imagine the praise if Obama withdrew our troops from Syria. There would be parades in the streets.
Have a nice weekend
I really, really, really need to stop replying to drivel when I'm quoted and just let it pass. I cant help myself sometimes though. People have lost it on a level I cant even comprehend anymore and I feel sometimes inclined to want to engage. Not sure why though, its ugly as hell!
I know I say things that are controversial and partisan and 'fascist like,' like war sucks, triggering a lot of angry followup quotes, but geeeez. I am not surprised the left is pro war because the left is out of arguments, so they turned to hysteria, and they're out of that too, so they turn to violence.
Round of applause
I have to laugh when I hear a Trump supporter act like Trump accomplished something with North Korea. He was conned by Kim. Obama actually got a deal with Iran to block their nuclear capability. North Korea is still a nuclear power and is still actively working toward developing their capability to deliver nuclear weapons to the US.
Great two cents little Richard! Obama will give you a resistance cookie.
Liberals cant accept that reality isn't what they said it would be under Trump Administration, 2 years in (and with no self awareness or even acknowledgment of a reputation thats been irreparably tarnished by repeated lies and hysteria, sound familiar?), and all the pictures they painted of doomsday from all angles so they have to be certain of an unverifiable, hypothetical future and intensity the hysteria there too... desperate and predictable
because we haven't gotten nuked, 2 years In, they say "it's definitely coming soon"
I'm left with so much to argue there arent I? Your unfounded conjecture of certainties playing out in the future without evidence, but all emotion. And with the same degree Of certainty as previous falsehoods which have not been proven true. Sounds legit!
Also, by the way, can you apologize for your creepy behavior and posting the same crap to filibuster and silence my comments across five different pol subject threads, all of which were unrelated to the topic you kept bringing up and I won't back down from any of the times that you do? 0 for 5, mob mentality EPIC fail!
And can you commit to not doing that anymore?
Therefore, when you do it again, it will be actually be considered harassment
...Do you think thats MacRumors contributor-like behavior you should be exhibiting? Leading by example? Don't think I've forgotten that one all of a sudden. Just because the unrelated subject blows your mind, and is something you are personally obsessed with in a seemingly unhealthy way, doesn't give you the right to act creepily and de-rail the conversation 100% of the time. Thanks! Like I said, I know you're hard up for attention, from the same person over the same off topic subject, but you'll have to look elsewhere to be entertained.
Also with all this gross behavior in mind, I’m supposed to believe you are a “When they go low we go high” mentality kind of person? I’ve seen zero evidence of such. So being upset about mean tweets is hard to take serious when you seem like someone who repeatedly without solicitation resorts to despicable hostile tactics.
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Clickbait doesn’t work well without a sensational headline as bait.
Pretty sad if the crowning achievement of Trump's presidency is that his saber rattling and hostile tweets didn't get us nuked. And now we are hearing that Kelly had to restrain Trump from pulling troops out of S. Korea following the meeting with Kim because Trump was so convinced he had made a "deal" with Kim and the troops were no longer necessary. Meanwhile, Trump's other foreign policies appear to be disrupt our alliances and coddle up to anti-democratic regimes, especially his good buddy Putin.
Now that doesn't sound very positive.
And I notice that you didn't actually address them, such as the $1.4 trillion added to the national debt because of the tax cuts that you continue to tout.
Wasn't that the concern? That we would absolutely be nuked? That with Cheetoh at the helm, nuclear war was 100% going down? And the mean tweets were going to set that off? ...All the hysteria? You guys have the absolute worst memory for your own outrage. Thats why its hard to take any subsequent outrage seriously. You won't remember it in a few days, or you'll say 'so what,' even though you came up with it, so whats the point in taking it seriously in the first place?
I wonder that all the time
And now that we arent getting nuked, its "but we definitely will be in the future" according to little Richard (who acts in a creepy way as a contributor, to attempt to silence my voice but fails every time) and according to you "whats the big deal? so we didn't get nuked? thats worth applauding? thats an accomplishment, meeting Kim Jung Un when no other president did even when Obama warned Trump that North Korea was our biggest problem, going into a trump administration?" What the heck? This is definitely the Twilight Zone.
You guys should meet and come to similar terms for as to why you're upset. But, that will be virtually impossible since the explanation is a spinning top, and makes no sense, and shifts with the political tides and emotions of the day to serve 'your' truths, but I digress
No consistency in argument. The only thing consistent is the hate.
Love trumps hate!
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