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Trump Says Apple Will 'Be Fine' Despite Earnings Downgrade and Claims Stock is Up 'Hundreds of Percent'
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Pent up demand from having a 6,6s,6ss (7), 6sss (8) will do allow customers to fork up. Once. Not every year, year over year.
MR is a niche group but at the same time how many people have posted justification of their $1000+ purchase by stating they plan to hold onto it considerably longer before upgrading again?
Trump is who's ridiculous. Whoever thinks not has bought into the normalization of presidential pronouncements and behaviors that are not worthy of our office of the presidency.
This thread can't just be an ordinary thread about an ordinary president making extraordinary and misleading or false public comments about a specific company's stock prospects in the presence of that company's CEO.
Nothing Trump says ends up being ordinary because that's his whole schtick, being out of the ordinary and to hell with anything or anyone else, that's all collateral damage to him and doesn't even register. It's all about the latest press clippings, where he's the central persona. And if he's not? Well he gets on Twitter to fix that.
It's a gig that's fully worthy of the gong by now, but Trump doesn't see that and even if he did, he'd stick a star on it and call it excellent.
I don't hate this President. I dislike his incompetence, ignorance, lack of empathy and complete disregard for his job, which is to serve the well being of all Americans, not just himself and the crony class.
President Trump is the persona of U2's "Acrobat" lyric when it comes to what he promises to the left-behind, namely "talk like this, act like that"... and when the left-behinds get around to reading this administration's fine print that further ****s up their lives, he'll be out of office already and could not care less anyway. Not all of his #MAGA pitches or the actual pipe dreams behind them will have got into law, but enough deregulatory moves will have done so that it may take decades for the country to dig out again and make government serve more of the people and not just the dwindling group that owns most of the wealth plus the means to make and keep more of it.
Meanwhile Trump should shut up when he doesn't know what he's talking about, which is almost all the time. When he knows better and lies anyway just to rack up the press covfefe, that's just as bad as lying out of ignorance or inattention.
When he speaks publicly and inappropriately of specific events or companies or people, he demeans his office and the USA in the eyes of the rest of the world. It matters. It affects us negatively.
How is that Making America Great Again? He's not meant to be a circus showman, he's supposed to be an elected recipient of the collective wisdom of all those who preceded him in office. He tore up that book and said nah, we're just gonna raise hell like you said you wanted us to. Well... but that's not #MAGA, as it turns out.
This is not a TV show he's hosting, it's a branch of government we supposedly chose to represent our interests in an election two years ago. But so far he's set records for most EOs landing in court, most cabinet officials departing in the first half of a term, fewest honest efforts to pay for an unfunded tax cut fairly, etc., etc., and he revels in it. He even revels in any political losses in his own party if those candidates weren't his personal choice for the slots. In the end, none of this will be free of cost to him, but he marches on to the sound of applause at his rallies (who don't have the votes to re-elect him)
I happen not to share Donald Trump's enthusiasm for divisiveness, deregulation, wrong-headed notions on trade and diplomacy, publicity-seeking and pot-stirring abroad for the sake of seeing eyes roll in the heads of his peers (CEOs or heads of state).
Tim Cook is one of those peers. Cook knows more about facts on the ground of business leadership, trade and economic policy from his experience in managing feisty, creative techies and in supply chain management than Trump ever bothered to learn about either in biz school or out in the world of the Trump Organization's shady deals and shoddy business practices.
And forget about basic arithmetic and attention to detail. I guess Trump hires all his skills except for the one related to running of mouth before engaging of brain. Sure his blustery disregard for facts do suit his persona and get him what he craves, which is attention. However, the trail of potential destruction he leaves behind is stupendous. No wonder he wears out rafts of lawyers.
I'd love to know what Cook was thinking while Trump was blathering on today. Maybe it just ran to "this too shall pass... clocks move even if you're at the dentist..." etc.
I read something the other day that said something like, if Trump said oxygen was wonderful then democrats around the country would suffocate themselves to spite him. It seems like the position du jour is to just oppose Trump at every turn.
I'm sure Apple did research and knew that a certain number of their users just couldn't justify the new pricing. They chose to go ahead with this strategy. Whether or not it works out remains to be seen.
You start off your post attacking the judgment and character of his supporters (many of whom you likely haven’t met or spoke to, or would never tell you with that mentality) instead of going after the man himself. “When they go low we go high.” Great! Also don’t forget “love trumps hate” “hey hey ho ho, that nazi fascist has got to go” and all the rest of it on repeat
You either love or hate the man generally most aren’t indifferent and people that don’t feel either don’t make posts this long and passionate
I suspect it isn’t love.
It seems symptomatic of trump derangement syndrome, but I’m no doctor so don’t quote me. I’m sorry you felt this was a good post but I respectfully disagree and took away less than nothing from it. In fact I want my time back.
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Anyone would pull that face if you knew that's one down, just X Billion Chinese to suck up too now
I mean.. do you see how upset people are that Trump said Apple will be fine?
What in the hell! They make it sound like he threw them under the bus.
Hate the man all you want but how is saying they will be able to keep the lights on, for a company most of us admire in some
Capacity, a bad thing? In what world? Under what lens?
...this is depressingly demonstrative that literally nothing can ever be impartial or objective anymore. It’s just about my truth, and his truth, and her truth, and their truth and your truth to serve the way of the political winds and fleeting emotions . There is no plain and simple old school truth anymore.
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By objective standards, you aren’t wrong but you are also being petty
By ‘their’ standards (of a certain political party that basks in outrage culture): sic burn bro. That totally decimated and deconstructed every point brought up! mic drop
I've really been thinking hard lately what the best word to describe tRUMP is -- "imbecile" does describe him, but just doesn't cover everything.
Because I’m being petty (so long as im transparent about it unlike those convinced petty is actually a good and substantive argument) that’s a lotta elipses. And yep, did “lotta” instead of “lot of” to be ironic. Just so my post isn’t deconstructed.
Anyways-
I didn’t realize the Tim Cook reign has a term limit. Technically it’s THE year since Tim has been CEO FOR 8 by my rough calculations.
Exactly how I felt the one time I watched Fox "State" News.
hey, who’s praising Fox News?
I understand the president does, but I don’t have to like everything he likes nor do his supporters. Frankly I don’t think he should as much as he does either. He hires and gives praise to a lot of people that don’t really have his back at all.
Find yourself an older person or a deranged wild animal still fixated upon getting news through the television hour in hour out day In day out, to argue with. That’s a barbaric medium and not
Good for the mind no matter which aisle
You sit on. At minimum it’s unnecessary and repetitive at worst which seems common it’s the means by which parrots find their things to screech about
And it’s definitely “deep state” news. All but one or
Two are never trumpers. It’s the caputo, shepherd smith,
Formerly Megan Kelley, Chris Wallace
RINO never trumper network. Ben Shapiro can hop on every once in a while to get angry at tweets like lefties do as well.
They’re actually likely more on your side ideologically than mine despite our shared distaste for the station haha
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How do you define fine? Just existing or providing commensurate return on investment compared to other companies on the stock market?
Why are we now defining things with painful detail so as to avoid responding to the initial ask?
A simple question gets a simple response not more inquiry from you and philisophizing. Give me a friggin break.
You obviously feel strongly apple won’t be fine, because you take deep issue w the statement (...is it the statement or the personality saying it? I think we know the answer and that’s kinda my point)
And frankly it’s actually ok to argue they won’t be fine.... for reasons a b and c, I’m not a 1000000 percent fanboy after all I have critiqued dear apple before too. But the point is you
Obviously don’t feel what he said is wrong , youre Just letting your predetermined distaste for the man cloud any and all judgment even over non controversial things like a trillion dollar company will be fine. You don’t know what it’s like to agree with simple statements.
If he said it’s raining out right now,
and it’s pouring out your window (assuming you live down the street), you’d find ways to inquire further about the ask to sidestep and convince yourself or find reason to believe it’s actually sunny. It’s sad. I wish people would shake themselves of going down the rabbit hole of irrationality, and worse, dressed up as rationality not even taken for what it is.
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People upset Trump is defending Apple. What a time to be on MacRumors!
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Classic Trump apologist. The truth is this guy says he knows more about military strategy than his generals. Great. Nothing like a combination of
arrogance and ignorance in matters of life and death.
But heck, you might also agree that McCain wasn’t a war hero because he was captured.
I have no time for this insanity.
I love it when someone with no financial interest tells someone else how to invest their money and conduct their business.
Calm down and enjoy the ride snowflakes.
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Websters word of the year is Justice. I just don't think that justice is going to look like what you think.
PS you should talk to some about your Trump Derangement Syndrome
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Websters word of the year is Justice. I just don't think that justice is going to look like what you think.PS you should talk to some about your Trump Derangement Syndrome
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The level of guile and utter b.s. is just beyond the realm of believability. Yeah great, let's make super expensive iPhones in the USA (using mostly robots), but that doesn't mean that a) blue collar jobs will increase or b) that Chinese consumers will buy those products.
Calm down and enjoy the ride snowflakes.
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PS you should talk to some about your Trump Derangement Syndrome
People being legitimately upset Trump is **praising** Apple (even in error with stocks) is textbook derangement.
One for MacRumors history!
None of this trivial nonsense and anger is going age well. I see it before it’s even aged. Our culture is now non existent purely because of PC culture and outrage mentality. Congrats?
I have no idea if Apple will be fine and neither do you or him. I have no doubt it will be around but if it can't remain competitive with other companies with regards to investment return vs risk it is not fine. Or do you not understand the basic premise of capitalism? You seem to be the one sycophantically beholden to defending statements made by another who you seem to feel is superior to you.Why are we now defining things with painful detail so as to avoid responding to the initial ask?
A simple question gets a simple response not more inquiry from you and philisophizing. Give me a friggin break.
You obviously feel strongly apple won’t be fine, because you take deep issue w the statement (...is it the statement or the personality saying it? I think we know the answer and that’s kinda my point)
And frankly it’s actually ok to argue they won’t be fine.... for reasons a b and c, I’m not a 1000000 percent fanboy after all I have critiqued dear apple before too. But the point is you
Obviously don’t feel what he said is wrong , youre Just letting your predetermined distaste for the man cloud any and all judgment even over non controversial things like a trillion dollar company will be fine. You don’t know what it’s like to agree with simple statements.
If he said it’s raining out right now,
and it’s pouring out your window (assuming you live down the street), you’d find ways to inquire further about the ask to sidestep and convince yourself or find reason to believe it’s actually sunny. It’s sad. I wish people would shake themselves of going down the rabbit hole of irrationality, and worse, dressed up as rationality not even taken for what it is.
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People upset Trump is defending Apple. What a time to be on MacRumors!
Nah you’re just upset he said they’d be fine because it was him who said it. Be honest. Even when you aren’t it’s pretty clear where you’re coming from (imo). Your hostility and previous inability to respond to a simple question (I didn’t demand you must feel one way
Or another, just provide input to which you repeatedly declined) demonstrates it further
One syllable instills unexplainable anger in you: Trump.
It’s profound. Fortunately you aren’t alone. Many like minded upset people who sidestep when asked.. so apple won’t be fine? And if you
Don’t know then why do you care so deeply? The answer is, again, self evident. Trump. Trump trump trump trump .... trump!
What privilege! to actively seek justification for being disgruntled and manufactured outraged all the time and find it at every nook and cranny if one so desires
If people just told me you
Know what I hate the man I know I take it to irrational extents but it’s what I do - I would
Respect it. At least there’s transparency. But yet, everyone dresses it up like it’s normal rational behavior to be upset all the time over everything even when you don’t understand why you are upset in the first place. I feel for
You I really unsarcastically do. That sounds like torture. But it is a decision one makes. And again not saying you have to love like or even stomach the man. But put limits on it and have some self
Awareness if for no other reason than self preservation. You’re doing yourself and others a disservice pretending this way to argue is normal
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LOL the tl;dr option is always there for the taking. You can always try it with this post if you didn't apply it to the last one. I'll help you out and put at least some of the thing in a spoiler.
You're wrong about my not knowing Trump supporters. I live surrounded by them. Some have regrets now. Some still defend him. That's their choice. I usually point out to them some of the laws that have been passed under this administration that do not serve their interests.
I realize that for some, logic is not a strong point, nor overall policy on the ground considerations either, and that for others, it's just too disappointing to realize that Trump's simply another pol who's been selling snake oil as panacea.
But for a growing number of pro-Trump friends here, the disappointment had shifted to disappointment in the Republican Party not having done more to keep this guy inside the guardrails of truly conservative governance and longstanding Republican Party interests. Many of them are or were from farming families, and their astonishment at his trade policies is something to behold.
And so... a lot of them held their noses and helped vote to flip this district blue last November. They are small farmers and truck drivers and school teachers and retail clerks and independent bank managers and Bible readers. I come from that same stock. I was born in the boondocks about 40 miles from where I landed in retirement, and nothing, not even 35 years spent working in NYC in the meantime, erases the roots of a small town American background.
People like me end up as blue dog Democrats, usually. Sometimes we end up more to the progressive side on some things. What we don't end up like though, is willing to put aside logic and vote for a completely incompetent and monumentally narcissistic candidate for president of the USA. That's where I and some of my friends had to agree to disagree, and we did, even though fairly politely. We're still friends, and we still discuss politics, maybe with a few more considered pauses in between paragraphs...
Whatever Trump is, past a narcissistic wonderment, he's no conservative, and no reasonable Republican and some whisper he sure doesn't act like their idea of a Christian. Sure he appointed some judges off a list approved by the Federalist Society and they do appreciate that. Not even those guys can undermine the bedrock of this constitution, and Chief Justice Roberts has gone to some pains so far to point that out.
What I wonder about now mostly is what will become of the Republican Party. I used to split my tickets back in the 70s once in awhile. In the 80s I realized I was having to hold my nose to vote for local Republicans and could not do it in federal elections. Was that the point at which my counterparts across the aisle felt the same way and our polarization kicked into high gear? Maybe.
And yet I was thinking to vote for Evan McMullin in 2016 until I realized on the way to the polls that even in a deep blue state I wanted the popular vote to go to a Democrat, as symbolic of resistance to the GOP's behavior over the previous eight years in particular.
I'm still not averse to voting for a guy like McMullin. Maybe more so now that I've seen how the current version of the Republican Party was craven enough to support Donald Trump in exchange for support of their selfish agendas. The responsible conservatives and moderate Republicans need to walk away from this poisonous mess they've let Trump make of their principles.
In one of the last letters I wrote to my not-reelected GOP Congressman, I thanked him for his attention to local issues and work on bipartisan legislation, and suggested he'd do better around here if he switched parties and ran as a blue dog. Of course he didn't do that, and he ended up defeated by a progressive Democrat, which did actually surprise me. The district, while purple and heading more blue lately, is entirely capable of flipping back to red, and had been that way since Kirstin Gillibrand was appointed by NY's governor to the Senate in 2009 from a House seat back when Clinton was appointed to serve as Obama's Secretary of State and so left a vacancy in the Senate. But in 2018 Trump's nonsense drove the district blue again.
The defeated Republican in my district, John Faso, was one of the more moderate Rs in the House last season. He and his peers in that end of their spectrum were largely defeated by progressive Democrats. In a way we've thrown out babies with the bathwater there, haven't we... the right gets more right and the left more left under polarization in primary races.
What I wonder about now mostly is what will become of the Republican Party. I used to split my tickets back in the 70s once in awhile. In the 80s I realized I was having to hold my nose to vote for local Republicans and could not do it in federal elections. Was that the point at which my counterparts across the aisle felt the same way and our polarization kicked into high gear? Maybe.
And yet I was thinking to vote for Evan McMullin in 2016 until I realized on the way to the polls that even in a deep blue state I wanted the popular vote to go to a Democrat, as symbolic of resistance to the GOP's behavior over the previous eight years in particular.
I'm still not averse to voting for a guy like McMullin. Maybe more so now that I've seen how the current version of the Republican Party was craven enough to support Donald Trump in exchange for support of their selfish agendas. The responsible conservatives and moderate Republicans need to walk away from this poisonous mess they've let Trump make of their principles.
In one of the last letters I wrote to my not-reelected GOP Congressman, I thanked him for his attention to local issues and work on bipartisan legislation, and suggested he'd do better around here if he switched parties and ran as a blue dog. Of course he didn't do that, and he ended up defeated by a progressive Democrat, which did actually surprise me. The district, while purple and heading more blue lately, is entirely capable of flipping back to red, and had been that way since Kirstin Gillibrand was appointed by NY's governor to the Senate in 2009 from a House seat back when Clinton was appointed to serve as Obama's Secretary of State and so left a vacancy in the Senate. But in 2018 Trump's nonsense drove the district blue again.
The defeated Republican in my district, John Faso, was one of the more moderate Rs in the House last season. He and his peers in that end of their spectrum were largely defeated by progressive Democrats. In a way we've thrown out babies with the bathwater there, haven't we... the right gets more right and the left more left under polarization in primary races.
Much of our federal legislation is still negotiated in the center, mostly because most Americans are centrists at heart. It's something to think about when we elect a President. He must be willing to sign legislation of a centrist cast and yet Trump defiantly says lately he won't do that. It's up to him. His re-election, though... that's up to us. All of us.
If Trump's re-election were up to Tim Cook... heh, Trump might be in a fair bit of trouble. just on policy, never mind all his personality quirks. Far more trouble than Apple is in based on terms of its overall financial health, I dare say.
Not much to reply to except to double down and say you hate the man. How you think you don’t is what’s most baffling to me but as with all instances where things are at a stand still debate wise without being overly repetitive and regressive: agree to disagree on that assessment.
And your anecdote about your personal life left me unconvinced (in terms of being evidence for why what you said is alright and accurate) and pitted in a corner. For being surrounded by “them” you sure don’t seem to understand anything that goes on in any of their heads. Like at all. & That’s even less excusable, your understanding of half this country, if true. Move to an echo chamber like LA/Seattle/Portland and you’ll be in heaven. Not a soul to argue with any of your points, ever. An oasis. I’ve lived in plenty of liberal cities and engaged with plenty of them. They almost always feel threatened if someone merely disagrees on any single point. Its silence, or nodding, they get as validation or some standard ‘he lies’ ‘he sucks’ follow ups, and that’s about it. Some people are moderate liberals and thats fine, but a cookie cutter liberal these days is hateful and just wants to hear themselves talk and virtue signaling higher than the next person when their lifestyle and inner personal dealings aren’t always in congruence, and they wanna flesh out anyone who doesn’t align perfectly with them. I think I have slightly more clue how they think and what they say, than you do with the inverse. And I can easily concede there are many exceptions: not everyone is the same like at all. And if you hate him and think so lowly, what’s keeping you around to begin with in a Trump city? I had to get out of the echo chamber, so I did.
...And the only thing I can really refute, *because* your anecdote cannot in any capacity be verified or commented on, its just an anecdote, nor do I care, i will contest your argument that it is common for people to “turn blue” with age. That’s patently absurd.
If anything, people generally (but not always, of course) become more conservative as they get older, because they realize when it’s their money and their future at stake (not just as a platitude but vs. previously living in an ideological bubble, being taken care of in some capacity or sheltered from the real world, or just generally inexperienced or some combination - its easy to fall victim to unrealistic virtue signaling idealism when you aren’t in the hunger games). Also you’re in for a ride, because whatever you call the Pew Die Pie watching generation (no not ‘nazis,’ but the generation after millennial whatever they’re calling them - Gen X), they’re overwhelming conservative so pop culture is in real trouble.
The fact remains you did start off judging the character and judgment of *all* of Trump’s supporters. You can walk it back however you like, loaded with anecdotes and virtue signaling, but..
I also, I mean this truly, want my time back on reading this quoted post as well and you can say “oh I schooled you” if it satisfies your ego, but I will no longer have the will to read these lengthy posts completely lacking substance and focus. You will snafu me twice but not a third time.
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