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I honestly do not think those that voted for Trump ever expected him to go this far.

What we are starting to see is his game plan. How do you get the rest of the world to trade with the US so that the US comes out the better party? You introduce tariffs of course. We have seen when it comes to crises and wars, the world comes to the US for help. When the world struggles for products, it goes to the US. The world needs the US more than the US needs the world. All countries around the world have been extremely worried about these tariffs and how much is it going to hurt their countries economy. He put high tariffs in place so he could work out trade deals with the countries that benefit the US more so than the other country. It has started with the UK and will continue with other countries around the world. We will see Trump visiting many countries offering trade deals. He has suckered the world into giving him, as in the US, what he wants and he did it by introducing tariffs. Now every country is bending over backwards to do a trade deal with the US so they can remove the tariffs.

You may think the man is a celebrity baboon but he is actually a genius because he has found a way to get all of the worlds countries to do what HE wants.
They were just showing how uninformed they truly are.
 
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Not too long ago I would have agreed. Not so much now. He's not going to destroy the global economy. He turned the whole world against the US. The whole world is seeing the US as a dictatorship run by an idiot, recruited by the KGB a few decades ago.
Agree and (maybe) factual. Not sure about the recruitment, but convinced that “Russia” has information about him that he would not like to be published. So. Putin has him on a leash. That also explains his “love” for Putin and his regime.
If he keeps doing this nonsense, the whole world will abandon the US and make trade agreements elsewhere. Despite what's being taught in US schools (NA education...), the US is not the center of the universe. The dollar will drop in value and be replaced as the "world currency" by some other currency, likely the Euro. If the rest of the world unites (minus Russia and North Korea), the only economy destroyed is in the US. Not saying that it won't have an impact everywhere, but nowhere near what's going to happen in the US.
Agree again.
 
We got rid of the dictator and prevented another in the last election cycle.
Your definition of a dictator seems a bit twisted. Did you travel through Russia, China, or maybe North Korea, speak to folks there to get an idea of what a dictatorship actually means? Biden (if he’s the “dictator” you mean you got rid of), a dictator???
Hahahahaha…sorry but that’s an insult to proper dictators.
 
There is clearly a lot of one dimensional thinking going on in this thread which is if it effects my wallet negatively then I am against it and the person who created it. These one dimensional thinkers are not looking at the bigger picture which is to bring manufacturing back to the US, to give people jobs and money security rather than having tens of thousands of people homeless living on the streets and millions of people unemployed.

Don't you people want the US to have manufacturing back in the US? jobs and money for more Americans? Or are you too selfish in that you do not care about your country, you only care about you?
 
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Gonna be expensive importing all those Tariff ridden Semiconductors into the USA :p
Which ones?
China isn”t making the a series chips
A chips can be built in the US as can the modems, network switching chips, power regulators.
Samsung can make the memory in Texas.
Which of the main semiconductors would be at jeopardy.
 
This whole tariff fiasco has been absurd. It seems like a money grab by those who know Trumps inside “plan?” to profit via investing. Somehow it’s legal in the government but otherwise it’s insider trading.

The real way to do tariffs, and yes almost all other countries tariff the crap out of US (and other foreign countries) goods, is to set a plan that starts six months or a year from now. Give countries time to negotiate and companies an exact timeframe to determine when it will impact their business.

Living in Thailand, shocked when I first saw a Porsche (not USA made obviously) taxed at a luxury tariff rate at about 8x the price of the USA for the same Porsche. So it’s a luxury tariff. When first moving here, all Apple products were extremely expensive due to tariffs. But due to eliminating tariffs so their citizens could have fancy iPhones - which many do - has allowed most Apple products to cost about exactly the same as in the States when calculating an average sales tax rate of around 8%. So depends on how the item is classified but most items get a tax when shipping here. Buy a US made GoRuck for example and spend an extra 30% upon receiving when shipped from America. It’s a real thing.

The whole thing that’s a fiasco is Apple isn’t going to just move manufacturing back to the States right now. It has to be a timeframe situation where companies will get tax breaks and etc over time to move production of US delivered products to America. Failure to regulate and ensuring CEOs would ship all jobs over seas is the responsibility of the government and the greedy CEOs who wanted profit over all else. They quit caring about all their stakeholders except their shareholders which means their boards gave them massive pay bumps, stock incentives and etc to keep moving every job possible offshore. Tim isn’t going to build iPhones in America anyways, what could Americans make maybe 10% of US demand? Our young people don’t want to work because the companies took away the pay, the pensions and the health insurance so the top 1% could make bank. I wouldn’t work either if I were young; start your own business is the only way.

Would just be nice to see a real plan instead of this shot show. Shows how corrupt all politicians are. Doesn’t matter your party or beliefs, your politicians are corrupt - probably more so in America than most countries. Where else is there someone like Nancy Pelosi who never made more than $200k per year beat Warren Buffett in investing and worth $500m?

It goes all ways. And the people have to quit believing the media. They’re slanted no matter which side you listen to. And watching makes it much worse than reading your news. If you’re on either side, stop watching and just read some fact based news for six months. Everyone needs to learn to get along and look for everyone’s best interest not just their own. Greed at this level is not good.

I am all for leveling the playing field, but it has to make sense; and I don’t give two cents about how much money billionaires lost in the stock market today or this term. It’s insane and why would anyone care? People’s 401K? That’s a joke of a system right there in and of itself. If you’re close to retiring you should move as much as you can out of stocks anyways. The stock market is a long con.
 
Add to this chaotic mix limited aptitude*, lack of understanding of laws, weak mental filter, and a likely personality disorder* and we have a president who is disconnected from reality. Although, some of how he acts and what he says is pure showmanship. It's thus difficult to know how much is 'acting' and how much is really him. None of that makes for a stable, predictable president.

*Without a formal assessment, I'm not going to diagnose
He obviously has most of the traits defining sociopathy. He could easily be a narcissist as well. There is considerable overlap between the two disorders. On top of this, he has the reactions of a spoiled child unable to understand that he cannot have whatever he likes. But he got power, much of it. Good luck to all of us.
 
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He really thinks he is the King of the Planet. Just telling people what to do... Well we deserve these stupid times. He was elected by over 77 million voters and won the popular vote. Apparently Americans wanted this kind of leadership.
 
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One cannot deal with a toddler who has no idea how things work. It's a fool's errand to placate him. As the whole host of people who have been thrown under the bus by Trimp learned in the past. Just like all those defenestrated and radioactively-poisoned (and in one case being tossed out of an airplane) people who thought they were in like Flynn with Putin.
 
There is clearly a lot of one dimensional thinking going on in this thread which is if it effects my wallet negatively then I am against it and the person who created it. These one dimensional thinkers are not looking at the bigger picture which is to bring manufacturing back to the US, to give people jobs and money security rather than having tens of thousands of people homeless living on the streets and millions of people unemployed.

Don't you people want the US to have manufacturing back in the US? jobs and money for more Americans? Or are you too selfish in that you do not care about your country, you only care about you?
While stereotyping people you disagree with as one dimensional thinkers is normally the most advanced debate strategy, maybe there are more issues involved than "more manufacturing jobs good".

I mean, other than 45's first term during COVID, we've had sustained job growth for more than a decade with record low unemployment under the last administration. The biggest problem facing the US right now isn't jobs, it's affordability. Reduce the cost of living so that working 40 hours a week allows you to lead a comfortable life.
 
Nothing says “business genius” like a guy with six bankruptcies under his belt giving advice to the man who 10x-ed Apple's value.
Those were over 25 years ago, and besides, he's had many business successes that you're overlooking. One of the markers of a good businessman is not necessarily a "failure," but the ability to learn, grow, and adapt. Tim Cook was handed Apple on a silver platter, and despite a valuation growth, the business model of Apple has changed during his tenure, and thus seem as lost today today as when Jobs was ousted. Not to mention the fact that there are more reputable direct competitors with each of their products than ever.
 
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There is clearly a lot of one dimensional thinking going on in this thread which is if it effects my wallet negatively then I am against it and the person who created it. These one dimensional thinkers are not looking at the bigger picture which is to bring manufacturing back to the US, to give people jobs and money security rather than having tens of thousands of people homeless living on the streets and millions of people unemployed.

IMHO manufacturing jobs are not going to become again a staple of first world economies. Labor is far too expensive in first world countries and there is a continuous push for automation. Even without the much cheaper alternative sources from abroad, manufacturing is not going back to the levels of employment of the 50s.

Don't you people want the US to have manufacturing back in the US? jobs and money for more Americans? Or are you too selfish in that you do not care about your country, you only care about you?

Selfish or not, no, actually most people don't want that. Most people don't want to work in manufacturing and most people don't want to pay a higher price for goods. Companies in the US have tried to offer "made in US" products and consumers voted with their wallets, buying the cheaper imported alternatives far more often.

Furthermore, that bringing manufacturing back will make the good of the country is not a self-evident truth. Local manufacturing would bring wealth to people as new workers, but also increase prices for them as consumers.

Whether bringing manufacturing back is going to be a good deal depends on whether the increase in wealth will overcome the increase in prices and personally I'm very skeptical it would turn out to be an overall win.
 
To be honest, Trump is literally a Republican in name only. He's not a conservative and he's nothing like former Republicans. He's a populist who ends up more or less moderate because of the pure chance of chaos. In other words, he's "moderate" because randomness trends towards something like a Gaussian distribution. He doesn't have any political ideology but if anything, he's more like the Democrats of the 1960s through 1980s (but more on the liberal end of that spectrum if you pay attention to some of his more persistent ideas).

Without any core political ideology, he's a chameleon. That could be positive if it was a ideologically-driven pragmatism, but his is more of a poll chasing and stock/bond market chasing pragmatism than anything else (and that's being generous about having any sort of goal). Add to this chaotic mix limited aptitude*, lack of understanding of laws, weak mental filter, and a likely personality disorder* and we have a president who is disconnected from reality. Although, some of how he acts and what he says is pure showmanship. It's thus difficult to know how much is 'acting' and how much is really him. None of that makes for a stable, predictable president.

*Without a formal assessment, I'm not going to diagnose
You know what. I Just. Don't Geddit.
He openly lies and I can't get my head around how people believe it and won't entertain any dissent at all. His tariff clams for example;
"We don't pay the tariffs, other countries do". Something echoed by Bessent and/or Lutnik.
How is it that Jos public hasn't simply googled the term trade tariff?????????

Why is it that no member of the press has yet made a notice board or similar to bring out at interview time with headings similar to, (list is not exhaustive);
  1. Foreign manufacturer buys raw materials for goods.
  2. Foreign manufacturer makes product.
  3. Foreign manufacturer transports goods from factory to foreign port.
  4. Domestic manufacturer receives goods at domestic port.
  5. Consumer buys goods.
And then asked said Trump sycophant to pin the tail on the donkey to out at what point the tariff is paid.
 
Trump's "business successes" are mostly profits from laundering $$ or getting corrupt patronage from people looking for whatever quid pro quo Trump can return.

Those were over 25 years ago, and besides, he's had many business successes that you're overlooking. One of the markers of a good businessman is not necessarily a "failure," but the ability to learn, grow, and adapt.
 
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