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The new rules are already in place in the following airports: Boise (BOI), Colorado Springs (COS), Detroit Metropolitan (DTW), Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International (FLL), Logan International (BOS), Los Angeles International (LAX), Lubbock Preston Smith International (LBB), Luis Muñoz Marín International (SJU), McCarran International (LAS) and Phoenix Sky Harbor International (PHX).

Wait, Lubbock *ahead* of the curve on something? Preposterous!

Well, at least it's a good, conservative "safety measure".

Sad.
 
It used to be the requirement to remove your laptop and power it on at security 20 years ago, in the U.S. of A. Sounds like we're just returning to that scenario.
Twenty years ago laptops DID look like weapons. They were relatively huge and heavy, and so few people used them that airport security often didn't know what they were. Same with cell phones at the time - they looked like bricks with antennae. They still look askew at musical instruments, especially woodwinds. I used to be a flutist and on my way to a performance in Washington DC was asked to open my flute case, assemble the flute (it's in three pieces), and play it. This was in 1976 at an Austin, TX., airport - a city that bills itself "Music Capital of The World". <wink/nod>
 
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My GameBoy micro is smaller than the iPhone 7 plus. So that does not need to get scanned?
Everything gets scanned one way or another... always has. It's just whether it has to come out of your bag and be done separately.
 
When was traveling by air "fun"? Air travel is one step above a bus terminal - barely.
I guess you either haven't been around for long, or you are just afraid of planes.
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We reached that point 16 years ago, Ice. 9/11 started it, penny pinching airlines and the ever shrinking seat finished the job.
True, but just when we sort of got adjusted to it, it's becoming worse than before.
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Jeez, where have you been? :) pretty sure we reached that point on a certain date in 2001.
I know, but it's getting worse. The Paranoia effect is spreading even more.
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Was there a time when airports were fun?
Yes there was...
 
Just another inconvenience to the every day passenger. I flew out of Vegas and it must have been an airport they were testing this in, because I had my MacBook and iPad in my backpack. I pulled my MacBook out and put it in its own bin but left my iPad in (just as I have always done). No one at the checkpoint said to take my iPad out. The result was being held up behind a line of 5 other people that needed "additional" screening for 30 minutes by a TSA "agent" who didn't seem to understand personal hygiene.

This is absurd.
 
It's called Anarcho-Tyrrany, the law-abiding little people get squeezed through a dehumanizing strainer, while criminals, such as illegal alien border crossers, are given in-state tuition and driver's licenses in California, or housing and cash benefits in Germany. The 9/11 terrorists were all let in legally through our insane immigration system (keep pushing on this President Trump!) and carried then-legal box cutters onto the planes. The TSA bureacracy needs to be eliminated, immigration and visas need to be severely limited (especially from terrorist hotbed nations) and America needs to GTFO of the Middle East and Africa, which gives these bearded barbarians a perpetual rationale for wanting to kill us, the defenseless citizen (though never the politicians that are actually culpable).
 
I'd take it in a New York minute. TSA is mostly a useless annoyance chasing after ghosts. I used to mostly enjoy flying before 9/11 and all the excess security BS. Fortunately, now that I'm retired, I rarely need to fly anymore. If they'd just have you walk through the x-ray machines without disrobing, taking off shoes, unpacking bags, confiscating fingernail clippers, etc., it would be tolerable and catch about the same number of terrorists they catch now - next to zero.
When you make that rare flight now, don't worry about your fingernail clippers. They can go in your carry-on bag.
 
It's called Anarcho-Tyrrany, the law-abiding little people get squeezed through a dehumanizing strainer, while criminals, such as illegal alien border crossers, are given in-state tuition and driver's licenses in California, or housing and cash benefits in Germany. The 9/11 terrorists were all let in legally through our insane immigration system (keep pushing on this President Trump!) and carried then-legal box cutters onto the planes. The TSA bureacracy needs to be eliminated, immigration and visas need to be severely limited (especially from terrorist hotbed nations) and America needs to GTFO of the Middle East and Africa, which gives these bearded barbarians a perpetual rationale for wanting to kill us, the defenseless citizen (though never the politicians that are actually culpable).
Careful with that peace talk, hippy. Don't you know we're supposed to gin up another cold war with Russia and topple more governments in the Middle East? The Left is now pro war and the Right is... sorta pro peace? What a world!

Back on topic, terrorist will continue to take advantage of technological advances and make smaller and smaller bombs. Only a free market security system can keep up, not the lumbering behemoths of the State.
 
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I just witnessed this and it was much faster how they had the line. They had 4 "stations" on each X-RAY conveyor with bins showing up below you (on a belt). You had 4 people loading bins at the same time and then going through one of two personal scanners.

In all, the line moved really fast because of the 4 stations and bins under the conveyor belt.

Ultimately, it comes down to the managers at the individual airports and if they have a clue how to design and organize the space to deal with the sea of passengers. SeaTac, for instance, is a train wreck. All the passengers run through ropes in an orderly line and then get dumped into utter chaos to get to the belts and scanners. There is no organization and no guidance from agents about where to go next. Even the Pre passengers get dumped into the maw.

This security is certainly not new but you would think the folks who set up the system at SeaTac just got the memo yesterday.
 
When was traveling by air "fun"? Air travel is one step above a bus terminal - barely.

When I was a kid flying with my Mom and four brothers on Piedmont Airlines to meet my Dad back in the late 50s, early 60s, we would sometimes be assigned to an onboard family table with opposing bench seats. Like this:

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You were served hot food with real utensils. The kids got to go up to the cockpit to visit with the pilots.

There were no poorly dressed slobs on planes back then. Men wore suits. Women dressed up. Even kids often wore their Sunday best. Stewardesses were picked for their beauty and hospitality, in addition to their ability to handle emergencies.

Even up into the 1990s, security was pretty slack. Heck, in 1994 I would park at the LaGuardia Marine Terminal in New York 15 minutes before take-off, run in and use my credit card to buy a Delta Shuttle ticket to Washington DC for the day for meetings from an automated ticket dispenser, and hop on board the plane just as they closed the door.

I used to take 747 red eye flights across country, because you'd almost always have an entire row to yourself to stretch out sideways on and sleep.

You never worried about terrorists. The most you thought could happen via a person, was a hijacking to Cuba, which would actually be an adventure. This is of course what allowed 9/11 to occur.

Was there a time when airports were fun?

Absolutely. For one thing, the newer ones were often constructed to be as futuristic as Epcot. After all, we figured we'd be flying Pan Am to the moon by 2001.

It used to be that anyone could go inside and say goodbye/hello to friends/family AT THE GATE. No tickets necessary. Gate waiting areas were full of people seeing someone off, or waiting to greet them as they arrived.

As kids, we'd beg Dad to take us to the airport on weekends to watch the new jetliners take off, from the wide open observation deck. Sometimes we'd even go out on the tarmac and stand behind the blast barriers by the gateways, just for the excitement.

As teens, we'd park our cars just off the end of a runway, then lay back on the hood and watch as planes came in for landing a few dozen feet over our head. This was especially neat at night while drinking beer :)

Life was much different in the "old days".
 
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Thank goodness for this. I'm enrolled in TSA Precheck. It is wonderful to not have to take your laptop, iPad out of the bag or your shoes off when going through security.
I keep thinking of signing up for TSA Pre-check, but 100% of the time for the past few years I've gotten the pre-check notation on my boarding passes, without having asked for it. Is it just coincidence that I'm always selected for pre-check or am I somehow flagged as "safe" by the TSA?
 
Best 85 dollars I ever spent was getting TSA PreCheck takes less then 15 minutes to get through Airport Security. Usually 5 or less at Newark NJ (EWR) with the redesigned auto feed x-ray machines.
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Getting PreCheck or Global Entry requires fingerprints and a back ground check.

Do they recheck when you have to renew? If my memory is correct, it only last for 5 years.
 
I keep thinking of signing up for TSA Pre-check, but 100% of the time for the past few years I've gotten the pre-check notation on my boarding passes, without having asked for it. Is it just coincidence that I'm always selected for pre-check or am I somehow flagged as "safe" by the TSA?
Some airlines pay for this for repeat customers. Tsa pre is. It guaranteed.

Applying for the tsa-pre or goes is a much better deal especially if you fly frequently.
 
I have precheck, but what does passport gain over using your driver's license?

Different states have different formats but all passports are the same. I find that putting my boarding pass into the passport on the ID page and handing it over always gets me the quickest through time. I then use the pass or phone app at the gate. Either works quickly there.
 
I keep thinking of signing up for TSA Pre-check, but 100% of the time for the past few years I've gotten the pre-check notation on my boarding passes, without having asked for it. Is it just coincidence that I'm always selected for pre-check or am I somehow flagged as "safe" by the TSA?

Some airlines pay for this for repeat customers. Tsa pre is. It guaranteed.

Applying for the tsa-pre or goes is a much better deal especially if you fly frequently.

Also check with your credit cards, some will cover the cost of TSA Pre for you once every 5 years...it is mostly cards with an annual fee though. If fact, I don't think any free cards cover it.
 
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We have reached a point where it's not longer fun to travel by air.
That point was reached a long time ago. I remember the days where you could show up 15 minutes before a flight and run to the gate. When pilots and stewardesses we're happy and friendly. It used to be a fun experience. I don’t blame the crew and I always bring them a treat because they have a lot of crappy people to deal with. It’s not their fault the government has ruined travel, but they deal with tons of angry people.
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Has this actually stopped any terrorist? If it did they would have trumpeted it ad nauseam, for weeks! But silence, which makes me think they haven't caught anybody.
 
The proven method of screening used for years by the Israelis "profiling", I've ben through their process a few times and its excellent, a lot better than the methods we use here in the states.

Yeah , Yeah your not supposed to "profile", but you cant argue its effectiveness, everyone profiles to some degree in their every day life, its how we pick and choose likes and dislikes about just about everything in life.
 
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