TSMC Sources Claim 'iPhone 8' Will Have Touch ID Integrated into Display

[Zirel]

Sounds like an Apple Galaxy iPhone S8.

That's fine with me. Shaping up to be a great phone.

I'm not sure why Touch ID on the back is such a negative for people. If it leads to a edge to edge screen I don't see people rejecting such a placement.

iPhone with a galaxy s8 type display? Yes please.

Sorry folks, but, no, it's no a "Galaxy S8 display", first, because the Xiaomi Mi Mix did that in 2016, second, because Samsung put the fingerprint sensor on the back, trading convencience for looks.

There's not a single adavantage to have the sensor on the back. Hope you like fingerprints on your cameras, and not being able to unlock the phone when on a table.

 

[gnasher729]

Haha how is this rumor any more or less credible than the others (other than this is the one we all prefer so we want to believe it to be true)?

If rumour 1 is true then Apple is doing something that deserves them getting kicked in the arse.
If rumour 2 is true then Apple is doing something that everyone is perfectly happy with.

From history, rumour 2 is more likely to be true.

(This argument fails when it is about something where MacRumours readers and the general public strongly disagree. )

Sorry folks, but, no, it's no a "Galaxy S8 display", first, because the Xiaomi Mi Mix did that in 2016, second, because Samsung put the fingerprint sensor on the back, trading convencience for looks.

Not just on the back, but right besides the camera, so trying to unlock your phone with fingerprint sensor will inevitably get smears on your camera lens.

I'm not sure why Touch ID on the back is such a negative for people. If it leads to a edge to edge screen I don't see people rejecting such a placement.

I would value a 7+ sized screen on a 7 sized device as +10. I would value Touch ID on the back as -8. So combining both is +2, slightly positive, but not much, and not able to justify a higher price. 7+ sized screen on a 7 sized device _and_ Touch ID on the front is +10 to me. A lot, lot better.

 

[otternonsense]

There is nothing moronic about the camera bump. For a given sensor and optical technology you need a certain amount of physical hight to deliver optimal photographic results.. I much prefer a high performance camera over a needlessly thing phone.

Please, it sticks out like a sore thumb in quite an un-Apple like way. Adding 1-2mm to even out the chassis would certainly not turn the phone "needlessly thick", and considering iPhone SE is Apple's breakthrough hit regarding customer satisfaction, it appears customers would agree thinner isn't always better.

You never know, Apple could find consumer pressure too hard to resist. I kinda mis the jack myself but I suspect Apples real motivation here is to seal up the phone as much as possible to avoid water damage.

We both know water damage is not the reason. Other manufacturers have achieved both waterproofing and keeping the audio jack.

 

[djcerla]

Sounds like an Apple Galaxy iPhone S8.

The S8 does not have a revolutionary screen-embedded fingerprint sensor, so no, the iPhone 8 just does not sound like that piece of overpriced, ridicolously anti-ergonomic, form-over-function, fragile junk.

Update: and slower than a 2015 iPhone

 

[H2SO4]

I'm not sure why Touch ID on the back is such a negative for people. If it leads to a edge to edge screen I don't see people rejecting such a placement.

I’m on the fence. If I could have the all glass front with integrated TID then yes I’ll take it. But if I have to choose;

• TID front and typically massive bezel, (and ergo massive phone).
• TID rear and no bezel, (and ergo manageable phone).

Not sure which way I’d lean, be nice to be able to try it.

 

[RightMACatU]

"Premium price"
We've all been warned, this is going to hurt

 

[I7guy]

This is the best rumor to date of the rumored iPhone.

 

[chr1s60]

Sounds like an Apple Galaxy iPhone S8.

That's fine with me. Shaping up to be a great phone.

As I said when I used the Galaxy S6 Edge a few years ago. That phone with iOS would have been amazing. I don't know about the current Galaxy lineup, but the build quality of that phone was fantastic.

 

[chilman]

A hard blow back for samsung! The 8 sounds now almost perfect. You have 4-5 months to save up.

 

[recoil80]

It would be great, but I'm worried about the price of the premium model
I may wait another year and hope their entire lineup will bezel free, then I'll buy a more affordable model

 

[meaning-matters]

18.5:9 is perfect for VR and offers nice UI options having 2 squares.

 

[KPOM]

Hopefully this is true. I would not like the Touch ID sensor on the back.

 

[Kabeyun]

news of Apple's on-screen fingerprint recognition solution will come as a relief to watchers tracking the development of Apple's "tenth anniversary" edition iPhone

Only to those believing Apple would be foolish enough to put TouchID on the back.

 

[KPOM]

Um Touch ID is on the front of the phone now...

The "Timmy" tell for cognitive dissonance.

 

[macduke]

Holy crap please be true!

 

[keysofanxiety]

I can't ever see Apple compromising with Touch ID on the rear, just to satisfy some bezel-free stiffy.

If this is ready for a 2017 release, the new iPhone is going to demolish the competition. Otherwise if there are still problems, I think they'll wait and release it next year.

 

[kdarling]

optical? how is that supposed to work behind a display?

ultrasonic sensors made more sense to me.

Ultrasonic sensors normally must go behind plain glass bezels, not under complicated display components which would block the readings.

Optical sensors can be built as part of the OLED display itself, since it already has drive circuitry. Heck, since LEDs can both create and detect light, in theory you could use display pixels to both illuminate and read a print.

In reality though, if Apple has others build an OLED display with embedded optical fingerprint recognition, then it would likely have dedicated rows of near-infrared (NIR) emitters and detectors slotted between standard display rows. Possibly even distributed across the entire display, so that your finger could be read anywhere on the screen.

NIR based fingerprint authentication techniques include matching finger geometry and subdermal vein patterns.

This would allow Apple to build fingerprint detection right into the display itself. Not behind it making it thicker, nor in front of it blocking light.

 

[Geert76]

The S8 does not have a revolutionary screen-embedded fingerprint sensor, so no, the iPhone 8 just does not sound like that piece of overpriced, ridicolously anti-ergonomic, form-over-function, fragile junk.

Agreed. But then again, mostlikely the iPhone 8 will have the same stale, boring, completely non-functional, non real productive, non customizable, very smooth and non stutter iOS as the last 2 or 3 years.

 

[CarpalMac]

There is just no way that they will move it to the back of the phone. It would be too much of a change to the existing user experience and would be such a major design shift that they just wouldn't do it.

 

[jonnysods]

She loves me, she loves me not...

It's in front, it's on the back, it's on the front....

 

[lazyrighteye]

It was always TouchID behind the front glasses or nothing.

Not saying this rumor confirms this, but there was just no way Apple was ever releasing a device that had TouchID anywhere else.

My 6 has held me through. Ready to place my order in Sept for Dec delivery.

 

[jshammah]

This is what I just read...

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...d-displays-that-recognize-fingerprint-id.html

Bring it on Apple!!!

 

[MH01]

May 2017: rumours of TouchID into the display. Loyal Apple fan: "Good, cause I never will get an iPhone with the TouchID on the back!"

September/October 2017: Keynote Tim & Co. new OLED iPhone 8; we got something amazing for you, TouchID on the back of our new OLED iPhone 8, Jony adds to it: ''Best innovation we ever created followed by a video with the famous voice of Jony...

This same loyal Apple fan as in earlier, May 2017: "when do the pre orders start Tim, got my creditcard ready! come on Apple!"

lol reminds me of the iPhone 4 leak......it's crap till apple says it's the official release, from which time it becomes amazing. The the iPhone 4 was the best design which lead to evolution to the 5. 6 onwards....copy of android devices

 

[darcyf]

It's awkward to use. On the front you can hold the phone with one hand and use any finger from the other. Or you can one hand it and use your thumb. Or if it's sitting on a table you can use any finger from either hand. (Obviously, yes, you have to teach the finger to the phone, but most people teach multiple fingers from both hands. I know I do).

With the sensor on the back you can't activate with your fingers if it's sitting on a table -- eyes, yes, but not finger. That is a security compromise to ApplePay and any app that uses TouchID for verification. You can't naturally hold it with one hand and activate with another. It would be like Hands Yoga. And holding with one hand is also awkward because of the way you have to hold your hand to reach the sensor. It increases the likelihood of dropping it because of the looser grip.
Then there are all the issues with cases, esp. ruggedized ones that makes getting to the sensor even more challenging.

I'm almost certain Apple are leaking the "on the back" rumours to encourage the continued sales of the current models leading up to the actual announcement.

 

[anthorumor]

Too many rumors! Just wait for the damn phone to arrive already.
Guess that's a sign I should spend less time on iPhoneRumors...