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No difference between having it ONSCREEN and OFFSCREEN? Sounds like a HUGE difference to me...

Look at how Android users complain about the lack of actual buttons on phones that have virtual navigation buttons. I have used Android phones and tablets with virtual buttons and it's very clumsy compared to having physical buttons. Despite the fact they should work the same, they don't.
The touch ID is already a solid state button paired with the haptic feedback. Android users complain because the haptic feedback in those phones don't hold a candle to the haptic engine.
 
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That's utter nonsense.
It's Apple like 'cause Apple is the one designing it and having it produced.
What you may consider an "Apple like way" is subjective.

Nope. And it's pretty ironic having sir Jony proclaim a "seamless" design with this festered pimple poking out of the top left corner of the device.
 
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Aspect ratio 18.5:9 - meh! :(
Ditto, I love 16:9 or even 16:10 because video and content works. But taller aspects suck balls big time. I would have preferred touch ID to have been placed on the power button rather than under the glass and have a phone get so much more expensive as a result.

I fear the white version of this iphone may either not exist or look ugly as hell if the sensor bump is to become a reality.
 
No difference between having it ONSCREEN and OFFSCREEN? Sounds like a HUGE difference to me...

Look at how Android users complain about the lack of actual buttons on phones that have virtual navigation buttons. I have used Android phones and tablets with virtual buttons and it's very clumsy compared to having physical buttons. Despite the fact they should work the same, they don't.

Right now, the button does not move. The vibration replicates a click. Imagine the same thing in the iPhone 8, but with extra real estate to the right and left of the home button. I imagine that is what Apple has planned. Almost like a little touch bar at the bottom.
 
The touch ID is already a solid state button paired with the haptic feedback. Android users complain because the haptic feedback in those phones don't hold a candle to the haptic engine.

That may be a complaint (i've not heard it), but people complain about not having physical buttons.
 
I can't ever see Apple compromising with Touch ID on the rear, just to satisfy some bezel-free stiffy.

If this is ready for a 2017 release, the new iPhone is going to demolish the competition. Otherwise if there are still problems, I think they'll wait and release it next year.

Of all the pros / cons of an iPhone, a finger scanner on the front is not going to "demolish" the competition. It's actually an expectation, to retain current user base. Placement on the back will see an exodus. Especially of the rumours of a price hike are true.

I expect the Iphone SE to be the winner actually, apple is pricing themselves out of record sales in my opinion, even if its a great update. Ive already decided im not spending 1K on a phone....seems others share that opinion, just becoming too much
 
Whereas most are focusing (understandably) on the embedded TouchID functionality, I was more interested on the following:

"In addition to the fingerprint recognition, the sources claimed the new iPhones will also come with invisible infrared image sensors to enhance the functionality of the high-pixel camera and to enable augmented reality functions."​

This says that AR will be here and now, allowing both virtual and real worlds to come together for the iPhone population (10's of millions), with the view (visible) camera and the tracking (infrared) camera merging those two worlds as one.

That is real innovation.

Microsoft and Google have been doing this for years.
Ohhhh. I see. On which phone?
 
If not Synaptics, what company is providing the technology?

Apple not only need to overhaul the hardware technology but also iOS which is too dumbed down.
 
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Right now, the button does not move. The vibration replicates a click. Imagine the same thing in the iPhone 8, but with extra real estate to the right and left of the home button. I imagine that is what Apple has planned. Almost like a little touch bar at the bottom.

So apps have to be redesigned so as to move touchable elements away from the bottom center of the screen?
 
That may be a complaint (i've not heard it), but people complain about not having physical buttons.
And rightfully so in most cases. Unless there is some tangible feedback that is adequate, I vastly prefer physical buttons myself. That said, the Haptic/Taptic engines have been phenomenal so I expect the home button action to feel exactly as it does now on the 7.
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So apps have to be redesigned so as to move touchable elements away from the bottom center of the screen?
You'll be seeing plenty of automated functions at WWDC for converting existing apps, with new API's that devs will be using for iOS 11 anyway. This isn't going to be a big deal.
 
Has anyone ever wondered if its a possibility Apple could announce the iPhone 7s at WWDC 2017, followed by availability at the end of June? It would be a surprise mid year cycle upgrade to mark the 10th anniversary release, includes the faster A11 processor and little optimizations here and there. Apple could then launch the next generation iPhone 8 in the fall with an A11X Fusion Upgrade. This would remove the need to announce the iPhone 7s alongside the 8, giving it full time at the presentation in the fall.
 
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So apps have to be redesigned so as to move touchable elements away from the bottom center of the screen?

No. Currently the screen doesn't creep into that spot. Apps wouldn't have to change anything most likely. There will probably be some sort of API for the touch bar area to add certain functions from individual apps. Again, this is all speculation and just what I imagine Apple will do. I really have no idea though. Either way, they'll make it work.
 
I can't ever see Apple compromising with Touch ID on the rear, just to satisfy some bezel-free stiffy.

If this is ready for a 2017 release, the new iPhone is going to demolish the competition. Otherwise if there are still problems, I think they'll wait and release it next year.

Why not. They compromise battery life and gave us a camera hump for the sake of thinness.
 
I can imagine the "boos" from the audience if Apple announces that Touch ID is now on the back. So this is good news for Apple (if true)!
 
Getting rid of the physical TouchID button, even in its latest iteration where it is solid state, is only being done as a way to reduce the size of the iPhone while increasing the usable screen size. I don't think it is actually a better UX, necessarily, but rather part of a bigger picture view of what Apple needs to do to advance the overall design of the iPhone.
 
Right now, the button does not move. The vibration replicates a click. Imagine the same thing in the iPhone 8, but with extra real estate to the right and left of the home button. I imagine that is what Apple has planned. Almost like a little touch bar at the bottom.

Physical Home buttons are easy to find without looking at them. To accommodate, I wonder if Apple will expand the area that responds to a fingerprint, especially when the display is off. There are technologies that allow a part of the screen to feel like a real button - slightly indented or raised - but that would be quite a leap.
 
Oh yeah.
And yet people always say Apple doesn't innovate anymore. This is real innovation, not changing the design for the sake of it, but making actual important changes when it's the time, and to enhance the user experience.

I couldn't agree more. You see what Apple are saying is 'The old concept of innovation is no longer innovative. Not only is Apple innovating by not innovating they're actually changing what innovating is about. And that means not innovating for necessity sake. Because that's the mother of invention. Not innovation. So let's embrace the future. And that future is - inertia. Less is more. Less tech. More cash. And. It's the iPhone 8 guys. Yeah? Yeah!'

Yeah. No. Really. That's it.
Come back again in four months time, yeah?

Sorted.
 
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I'm not sure why Touch ID on the back is such a negative for people. If it leads to a edge to edge screen I don't see people rejecting such a placement.
Because people who follow Apple products want innovation. Not "slap it here to make it work cuz we still need it."
 
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