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Yeah when my phone is on my desk face up it is convenient to need to pick it up of flip it over to unlock it.

Exactly - whichever way you look at it, moving it to the back is a step backwards, as its always going to be more convenient where it is. Having it in the middle, on the back, just isn't a natural position to place a finger when picking the phone up. (For me at least, but I'm sure for a lot of people.)
 
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Use. Your. Passcode...

And uhhh Be. More. Responsible.

Why are (what I'm assuming to be grown) adults on this forum not thinking about using their resources?
uhhh just a question... I haven't had a case since iPhone 4 in 2010 and have never broken a screen. can i not have questions now?
 
uhhh just a question... I haven't had a case since iPhone 4 in 2010 and have never broken a screen. can i not have questions now?

Of course you can have questions, which is why I answered it for you. Regardless of whether you cracked your screen or not, people should remember there's another way of unlocking your phone and it helps to be responsible.
 
This is the most ideal solution and I'm glad to hear rumors suggesting its actually happening. I have the 6S plus now and will miss the headphone jack though. They removed it way too early.
 
I'm not sure why Touch ID on the back is such a negative for people. If it leads to a edge to edge screen I don't see people rejecting such a placement.

Apple fans are more aesthetic consumers. We've been trained to appreciate Beauty. An ID sensor on the back will dirty up the rear of a phone that has been clean since it's existence.
 
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There's not a single adavantage to have the sensor on the back. Hope you like [...] not being able to unlock the phone when on a table.
I am absolutely with you in that I wouldn't want to have the sensor on the back. But the latter argument is not fully valid:

When I put my iPhone on a table, I usually do it screen down (and I would be surprised if I'd be the only iPhone owner to do so ... ;)). Partly for politeness reasons, partly for better screen protection. So in theory the sensor would be easily accessible for me in such a situation.

Yet I still wouldn't want to have such a design for various other reasons.
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An ID sensor on the back will dirty up the rear of a phone that has been clean since it's existence.
*cough*Camerahump*cough*
 
When I put my iPhone on a table, I usually do it screen down (and I would be surprised if I'd be the only iPhone owner to do so ... ;)). Partly for politeness reasons, partly for better screen protection. So in theory the sensor would be easily accessible for me in such a situation.

Taking this theoretical scenario another step:

If the display wrapped around the edge, then even face down you could see notification indicators to alert you to pick up the phone while unlocking it from the rear.
 
Why not. They compromise battery life and gave us a camera hump for the sake of thinness.

Right... Yet the phone's battery life (except for the 6s) has gone up all the time... Don't let reality get in the way of a narrative hey. Also, the phone has not gotten thinner in a while but again, reality building is your game, not actual reality.

The fact that competition in cameras has forced a ever bigger sensor (which requires per physics a longer focal range), seems to not enter that twilight zone were your argumentation lives.
 
Really, how many people had a problem with the headphone jack until Phil Schiller stepped on stage and predicted your future?
Straw man argument. It's not a problem (other than to the extent it causes less battery space or more opportunity for water ingress) but it's also not a problem now that it's gone.
 
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Coming from a 6 Plus and a 6S, with their front facing fingerprint scanners, to a Honor 8 and then a Galaxy S8 with rear fingerprint scanners, I don't think a rear mounted fingerprint scanner is an issue.

In fact, other the desk scenario that's been mentioned, I prefer the scanner on the back of the phone when holding it, seems easier to reach than Touch ID. And it's good for Android Pay.

And if my phone is on the desk, I just use the pin/pattern.... or pick it up.
 
It's awkward to use. On the front you can hold the phone with one hand and use any finger from the other. Or you can one hand it and use your thumb. Or if it's sitting on a table you can use any finger from either hand. (Obviously, yes, you have to teach the finger to the phone, but most people teach multiple fingers from both hands. I know I do).

With the sensor on the back you can't activate with your fingers if it's sitting on a table -- eyes, yes, but not finger. That is a security compromise to ApplePay and any app that uses TouchID for verification. You can't naturally hold it with one hand and activate with another. It would be like Hands Yoga. And holding with one hand is also awkward because of the way you have to hold your hand to reach the sensor. It increases the likelihood of dropping it because of the looser grip.
Then there are all the issues with cases, esp. ruggedized ones that makes getting to the sensor even more challenging.
I've had several phones that has the finger print sensor on the back, currently a Google Pixel, and it works great. It is actually a very natural way to unlock the phone when you take it out of your pocket / bag. I've never had any issues finding the sensor nor do I need to do any finger gymnastics. Overall it is a really nice way to unlock your phone and coupled with a virtual home button works a treat.

You are right though when it's on the table you do have to pick your phone up to use it. I also own and use an iPhone 7 plus so I can compare the two all the time and I think there are plusses and minuses to both systems.
 
Pleased to see the reality distortion field is still alive and well :D


Sorry folks, but, no, it's no a "Galaxy S8 display", first, because the Xiaomi Mi Mix did that in 2016, second, because Samsung put the fingerprint sensor on the back, trading convencience for looks.

There's not a single adavantage to have the sensor on the back. Hope you like fingerprints on your cameras, and not being able to unlock the phone when on a table.

Like the new MacBook Pro keyboards then.

How could that be when the entire Galaxy line is a knockoff of the iphone to begin with?

Don't be silly the current S8 looks nothing like the current iPhone.

Everyone will love the virtual home button (and touch ID) on the main screen... until it highjacks that apps you're trying to use... just like when they high jacked swipe up/down from the bottom/top edge, and now when I scroll websites, it constantly shows the iOS notifications/quick reference buttons when I don't want them too. I have to be careful to swipe from the middle of the screen. Very annoying. Many apps, mostly games, require swiping from the top/bottom, when makes iOS's highjacking really annoying.

I hope Apple is able to have the home button and touch ID on the screen, but without highjacking any app gestures.

Are you talking about control centre which swipes up from the bottom? I agree its extremely annoying to have it swiping up inside apps but you can turn it off so it doesn't swipe up when you have an app on screen. Its the first thing I do on an iPhone.

Why not. They compromise battery life and gave us a camera hump for the sake of thinness.

Indeed.

1. You used "fanboys" which I can only take as an intentional insult. 2. There hasn't been an iPhone for US$1,000 yet, and the iPhone 8 won't go there either, so your "$1,500 as usual" is nonsense. 3. You completely don't get it. "Fingerprint reader behind phone screen" is not the feature. Borderless and therefore huge screen is the feature. "Fingerprint reader behind phone screen" means Apple can avoid the awful compromise (and the even more awful implementation) that Samsung used.

The 256 gb SKU of the 7 plus is very close though..

Thank god!
I couldn't possibly imagine Apple mimicking android phones by providing no innovation and instead just slapping TouchID on the back.
So hopefully it's true that they've integrated it into the display.

Really? Many of the recent software features mimick Android.
 
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Your opinion, and it's wrong.

For me, they are the best keyboard ever feasible for a laptop.

Not sure you really understand the concept of opinions to be honest. You can't tell me I'm wrong for thinking they are form over function that is subjective as is your opinion.

The amount of complaints on the Apple Support communities about stuck keys/issues with the keyboard when the notebook gets warm might be at odds with your opinion about them being the best keyboard for a laptop however.
 
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Not sure you really understand the concept of opinions to be honest. You can't tell me I'm wrong for thinking they are form over function that is subjective as is your opinion.

The amount of complaints on the Apple Support communities about stuck keys/issues with the keyboard when the notebook gets warm might be at odds with your opinion about them being the best keyboard for a laptop however.

Apple support forums are always full of Apple hater 15 year olds. Doesn't count.
 
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