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TSMC Sources Claim 'iPhone 8' Will Have Touch ID Integrated into Display

Thank god!
I couldn't possibly imagine Apple mimicking android phones by providing no innovation and instead just slapping TouchID on the back.
So hopefully it's true that they've integrated it into the display.
 
TheSapient said:
My phone is unlocked if I'm near by wearing my watch. If someone grabs it, or my watch, it is locked. If I leave it somewhere, it is locked. Why do I use it? It works if my hands are wet or dirty, for example. It also allows my wife to, say, respond to a text for me while I'm driving. It is just a minor convenience that I personally like and use.

My point here is not to advertise or argue for the feature, but to ask if this exists on the iPhone and, if so, whether it would be an acceptable solution to a rear Touch ID.
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It doesn't exist, no. The phone can unlock the watch (as long as it's worn), the watch can unlock the Mac (again, as long as it's worn), thus providing a biometric chain of trust. In thinking about it though the watch/Mac combo is similar, though distance is heavily restricted. You need to be close to the Mac, wearing the unlocked watch for it to unlock. As you describe the link between your phone and watch it sounds like merely being in BT range is enough. You could easily be several cubicles over in an office environment, without line of sight, and your phone would be gone.

Edit: with that said, if you find that risk acceptable I have no particular quarrel with it. I wouldn't do it though
 
Feenician said:
It doesn't exist, no. The phone can unlock the watch (as long as it's worn), the watch can unlock the Mac (again, as long as it's worn), thus providing a biometric chain of trust. In thinking about it though the watch/Mac combo is similar, though distance is heavily restricted. You need to be close to the Mac, wearing the unlocked watch for it to unlock. As you describe the link between your phone and watch it sounds like merely being in BT range is enough. You could easily be several cubicles over in an office environment, without line of sight, and your phone would be gone.
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Much of this is habit I don't think much about, so I just paid some attention to myself and how I use my phone. I'm at work right now. My phone, as is normal, sits on a wireless charging stand. When I grab it off the stand, it detects that it has been taken from a charger, so automatically wakes up. It also detects it is by my watch and automatically unlocks. I have to swipe some part of the screen, but that is more natural and ergonomic than trying to push the fingerprint sensor.

It is true that the phone can remain unlocked while being out of sight. This is not a concern for me. I'm not worried that someone at my work is going grab my phone and stay within BT range to do...whatever. If someone is going to steal it, they are not going to be sticking around. This security is not suitable for everyone. If you have stuff on your phone that it is vital no one ever see, and you think there is significant risk of someone accessing it, I would not recommend my setup.

Anyway, it sounds like this would not be a reasonable way to deal with a rear Touch ID.
 
If
1, Bokeh effect on the non-plus version;
2, 128GB model of non-plus is not over $1000 (retail price/ grand total of installments)
3, Not ridiculously bigger than the current 6s/7 size
4, this rumor is true

Then I'm in.
 
TheSapient said:
Much of this is habit I don't think much about, so I just paid some attention to myself and how I use my phone. I'm at work right now. My phone, as is normal, sits on a wireless charging stand. When I grab it off the stand, it detects that it has been taken from a charger, so automatically wakes up. It also detects it is by my watch and automatically unlocks. I have to swipe some part of the screen, but that is more natural and ergonomic than trying to push the fingerprint sensor.

It is true that the phone can remain unlocked while being out of sight. This is not a concern for me. I'm not worried that someone at my work is going grab my phone and stay within BT range to do...whatever. If someone is going to steal it, they are not going to be sticking around. This security is not suitable for everyone. If you have stuff on your phone that it is vital no one ever see, and you think there is significant risk of someone accessing it, I would not recommend my setup.

Anyway, it sounds like this would not be a reasonable way to deal with a rear Touch ID.
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Fair enough. I came on a bit meaner than I intended and I apologize. But, yes, I agree it wouldn't be an appropriate substitute. It would form a weakness in an otherwise pretty strong chain.
 
Feenician said:
Fair enough. I came on a bit meaner than I intended and I apologize. But, yes, I agree it wouldn't be an appropriate substitute. It would form a weakness in an otherwise pretty strong chain.
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I meant it would not be a good solution because the feature is not offered. I'm all for the user deciding how secure they need their setup to be, from always-off to a required typed-in password every time. If I'm connected to my car's BT, I'm fine with my phone being unlocked. If I leave my phone at a restaurant, or if I'm mugged, I'm not fine with it being unlocked. In any case, I'm far more concerned about the monetary loss from the phone itself than what someone could access before I start taking other actions (changing passwords, remote wiping, etc.)

EDIT: Though I take your point that such a solution would not work for you personally (and those who share your security concerns).
 
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TheSapient said:
I meant it would not be a good solution because the feature is not offered. I'm all for the user deciding how secure they need their setup to be, from always-off to a required typed-in password every time. If I'm connected to my car's BT, I'm fine with my phone being unlocked. If I leave my phone at a restaurant, or if I'm mugged, I'm not fine with it being unlocked. In any case, I'm far more concerned about the monetary loss from the phone itself than what someone could access before I start taking other actions (changing passwords, remote wiping, etc.)
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I can see a positive in proximity (or rather lack thereof) locking a device that's otherwise, effectively, unsecured the rest of the time. An iOS user would have to actively go use Find my iPhone to do that.
 
If this is true, this will be the biggest iPhone innovation in years! It's the first time they'll have truly come out with something different, functional, and first in a long time!
 
wizard said:
I'm not sure why Touch ID on the back is such a negative for people. If it leads to a edge to edge screen I don't see people rejecting such a placement.
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Think about this, the phone is on the table, screen up. There is a new notification coming in and you just want to unlock your phone and check it really quick. Now you have to lift up you phone, and adjust your phone position in you hand and reach to the touch id sensor. Oops, I touched the lens cover by accident. My oily finger print now is on the lens.
Or face down. Yes now you can unlock you phone faster, but every thing you want is actually on the other side. You have to pick up you phone again.

For me, I just don't want to pick it up. I believe Apple already know this experience is a step back.
 
The only issue I have with this is the fact that the front-imbedded (current) TouchID is the only place that keeps that information. No doubt, they would have to do the same thing and keep it imbedded to a specific sensor or part of the iPhone, though with the real-estate inside being so precious, I'm unsure if that'll happen. If it didn't, I don't know if I'd trust it. But I'm sure they're smart enough to figure it out and put it in there.
 
Geert76 said:
May 2017: rumours of TouchID into the display. Loyal Apple fan: "Good, cause I never will get an iPhone with the TouchID on the back!"

September/October 2017: Keynote Tim & Co. new OLED iPhone 8; we got something amazing for you, TouchID on the back of our new OLED iPhone 8, Jony adds to it: ''Best innovation we ever created followed by a video with the famous voice of Jony...

This same loyal Apple fan as in earlier May 2017: "when do the pre orders start Tim, got my creditcard ready! come on Apple!"
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I think you are talking about every Android fan bemoaning Apple for limiting background processing and then lauding Google into limiting background processing on the grounds of better power management. Talk about hypocrisy.
 
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sshambles said:
The only issue I have with this is the fact that the front-imbedded (current) TouchID is the only place that keeps that information. No doubt, they would have to do the same thing and keep it imbedded to a specific sensor or part of the iPhone, though with the real-estate inside being so precious, I'm unsure if that'll happen.
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Fingerprint match data is kept in the secure enclave section of the main CPU, not embedded in the sensor itself.
 
MacRumors said:



Apple has successfully finalized a solution to integrate Touch ID fingerprint recognition directly into the display of its upcoming "iPhone 8", according to a new report on Friday.

Chinese-language Economic Daily News (EDN) said it spoke to sources from Apple supplier Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), who apparently confirmed Apple's achievement during a technology convention held in Taipei on Thursday.

Among several design changes TSMC reportedly discussed at the TSMC 2017 NA Technology Symposium was the lack of a home button on the redesigned OLED iPhone, owing to Apple's use of "an optical fingerprint sensor to enable authentication directly on the screen" in the absence of a physical Home button.

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In addition to the fingerprint recognition, the sources claimed the new iPhones will also come with "invisible infrared image sensors to enhance the functionality of the high-pixel camera" and to enable augmented reality functions.

If true, news of Apple's on-screen fingerprint recognition solution will come as a relief to watchers tracking the development of Apple's "tenth anniversary" edition iPhone. Reports that the company has been researching ways to integrate fingerprint sensors directly into screens go as far back as June 2015, but more recent sources have claimed Apple has struggled to find a solution that overcomes the production challenges involved.

Specifically, Apple was said to be facing low yield issues of its in-house fingerprint sensor solution, which may have been forcing it to consider three possible alternatives: remove Touch ID from the 5.8-inch iPhone entirely and rely on other forms of biometric authentication instead, place the sensor on the back of the device (similar to the one on the Samsung Galaxy S8), or delay production of the phone.

The security of existing face and iris recognition technology has already come into question, while the idea of a rear-mounted Touch ID fingerprint sensor has received a largely negative response from current iPhone users. Suggestions that Apple could announce the OLED iPhone in September alongside typical "S" cycle iPhones but delay its availability have also been met with skepticism.

Additionally, today's news also lines up with previous rumors claiming Apple has been aiming to finalize its fingerprint sensor specification in May all along, in time for mass production in late July, which would fall in line with the company's usual annual iPhone production timeframe.

The other design changes mentioned by sources at TSMC suggest additional biometric authentication such as iris/facial recognition could be used to augment Touch ID via a high pixel-density front-facing camera, which is expected to feature next-generation 3D-sensing capabilities powered by PrimeSense technology. The report also claims the screen ratio of the displays on the new iPhones will be adjusted to 18.5:9 instead of the previous 16:9.

The "iPhone 8" is thought to have a redesigned steel and glass chassis, an edge-to-edge OLED display, and could carry a "premium" price, compared to previous models. Apple is expected to debut the new iPhone in the fall alongside updated versions of its current 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch device lineup.

(Via DigiTimes.)

Article Link: TSMC Sources Claim 'iPhone 8' Will Have Touch ID Integrated into Display
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[doublepost=1495858420][/doublepost]One noticeable absence from the discussion is the LTE support. What bands? Will the new 600 MHz band recently auctioned off w/ T-Mobile stating they will be deploying it by end of year be supported? More importantly, will 256/64 QAM + 4x4 MIMO along w/ carrier aggregation be included? If the handset is pretty but slow, what's the point?
 
ani4ani said:
Strange, when a rumour suggests Touch ID is on the back, it is all bull and no one believes it; different day, different rumour that Touch ID is on the front and everyone believes it. Weird eh?
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You are correct. It's all ones conception on what they want to believe that makes them feel what will happen versus what will actually happen. If article/someone doesn't agree with the rumor, then it's wrong. If the rumor aligns with their views, then everybody else should also follow and it has to be accurate.
 
jasonklee said:
Now that I think about it, having a fingerprint reader on the back like the superior Galaxy S8 is not that big a deal. In fact it's more ergonomic and convenient.
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Yeah when my phone is on my desk face up it is convenient to need to pick it up of flip it over to unlock it.
 
carpleror said:
If this is true, this will be the biggest iPhone innovation in years! It's the first time they'll have truly come out with something different, functional, and first in a long time!
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Yes, but i'll bet samsung will try to steal apple' s thunder by announcing the new note, just before the iphone8/x with touchid in display.
 
well... the last alternative seems like a winner: delay production..

Apple wouldn't inconvenient users by placing Touch ID on the back, The only thing helping here would be Android switches since they won't need to get used to anything new... Instead "we" will

Apple likes to get things right They won't abandon Touch ID just because they can't figure it out. Iris scanning is still too new.. but will give Apple an edge.

If Apple takes time to do it their way, why break the cycle now? Their doin' good.
 
x-evil-x said:
What happens when you shatter your whole screen and the cracks won't work recognizing your fingerprint?
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Use. Your. Passcode...

And uhhh Be. More. Responsible.

Why are (what I'm assuming to be grown) adults on this forum not thinking about using their resources?
 
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