TSMC's A9 Chip Outperforming Samsung's in Early iPhone 6s Battery Benchmarks

[JonBOY26]

Why do you have to swap the batteries? The batteries are the same, or at least should have the same build specs(correct me if I am wrong). It is the chips that are the only variable.
What is the justification for having to swap the batteries, without having to swap out every other component too, "scientist"?

"It is the chips that are the only variable" is merely an assumption, and if one of my students came to me with data making such a claim I'd send them back to the library to read up on the principles of science.

The battery are meant to have the same spec's, but that doesn't mean the same real-world performance. One battery could have an undetected fault that affects performance, or they could actually provide identical power output. It doesn't matter. The point is that the real-world situation is unknown, and therefore the battery needs to be eliminated as a variable in the comparisons. This can only be achieved through using the same battery to perform the test in each device. Don't blame me, that's science.

 

[Juan007]

This is some HUGE BS and Apple better release a patch for it soon. I didn't pay $750 + tax to get an inferior product.

 

[ugh]

I have the crappy samsung chip. I didn't need to test it either. My battery life sucks after going from 6 plus to 6s plus. Went from ~1.5-2 days to being under 10-15% by bedtime.

Where do I sign up for the class action?

 

[z chamber]

I think he was referring to these:

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/08/26/samsung-stole-processor-secrets-from-tsmc-with-insider-help/

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/08/26/samsung-stole-trade-secrets-from-tsmc/

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Court-rules-that-Samsung-stole-trade-secrets-from-TSMC_id73055

Um B.S.
TSMC wins lawsuit against Ex-Employee now working at Samsung.

“Liang has to quit working for Samsung from now until the end of this year,” TSMC Director of Corporate Communications Elizabeth Sun said in a telephone interview with EE Times. TSMC may file more lawsuits against Liang in the future, she said.

Samsung, while not directly sued, was involved in the case because it likely supported Liang in the hiring of his lawyers and filing of several affidavits in support of him,” ex-TSMC Chief Counsel Dick Thurston said in February to EE Times.

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1327515

 

[nostaws]

T-Mobile 64gb gold
Mkr52ll/a
A1688
Samsung chip

People should start adding the model number of your iPhone 6S/plus to this. I got the iPhone 6S and 6S+ both for Tmobile Model A1688 (GSM) and Model A1687 (GSM) for the Plus and they came with samsung chip.

While my friend got a 6S+ the ATT version with Band 30 Model A1634 and his came with a TSMC chip.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/

This maybe this has something to do with what chip you get. Not color or size.

 

[ghost187]

I'm shocked that this isn't news in every tech site today. This is the click bait article of the month IMO. I'm also surprised there isn't over 1000 comments on this already. I even expected this article on CNBC, MarketWatch, Bloomberg, etc... This is the perfect news to bring the AAPL stock down, which is something they like to do on an hourly basis.

Maybe there is still some hope for humanity.

 

[Perry Rhodan]

This is some HUGE BS and Apple better release a patch for it soon. I didn't pay $750 + tax to get an inferior product.

Seriously give your head a shake... How is it inferior? I have 2 6s with Samsung CPUs and they perform as well as the 6 the replaced...

 

[Perry Rhodan]

I have the crappy samsung chip. I didn't need to test it either. My battery life sucks after going from 6 plus to 6s plus. Went from ~1.5-2 days to being under 10-15% by bedtime.

Where do I sign up for the class action?

This is getting ridiculous, class action? people need to chill a little and stop jumping on the band wagon of every internet rumours....

 

[FishyFish]

My TSMC battery life is so amazing, 6S+

 

[MH01]

this is a clever trick to get everyone to install apps not from the official AppStore to work out what chip they have and unleash malware on unsecure geeks who panic at this sound statistical analysis !!!

Just use your phones guys, each device will have variance in batteries.

 

[solomon23]

I have the crappy samsung chip. I didn't need to test it either. My battery life sucks after going from 6 plus to 6s plus. Went from ~1.5-2 days to being under 10-15% by bedtime.

Where do I sign up for the class action?

I noticed a difference between my 6 plus and 6s plus as well. The battery is definitely weaker on the new phone. I just checked and it's the Samsung chip. Going to run a battery test on them both tonight and see how they compare.

 

[Zwhaler]

I went from a 6 Plus to a 6s. I noticed the battery on my 6s drains MUCH quicker than my 6 Plus. I did the test anyways to see what chip I have and it looks like I have the Samsung chip. I don't know if the 6s carries a smaller battery than the 6 Plus, if the Samsung chip is to blame or if it's just my specific phone, but there is definitely something causing the battery to drain much quicker than I expected and this COULD be a reason.

The Plus has a wayyyy bigger battery

 

[Synomenon]

this is a clever trick to get everyone to install apps not from the official AppStore to work out what chip they have and unleash malware on unsecure geeks who panic at this sound statistical analysis !!!

Just use your phones guys, each device will have variance in batteries.

The app. is in the app. store...

 

[lympero]

I'd like to throw a wrench into this hogwash of a 'test.' I turned down my brightness lower than I normally run the screen (around 40%) and wanted to see how long the iphone 6s plus would last with normal usage with no gaming. My idea was to simulate people who don't play games on the phone. Personally, I don't have a lot of extra time to play games on my phone and would like to know how long I can actually go if I really need to stretch my battery. (This is no where near scientific but I wanted to show how well the Samsung performs.)

I unplugged my phone on Thursday night, I don't remember the exact time. Somewhere around 10PM. I managed 70 hours and 4 minutes of standby with 9 hours and 26 minutes of usage. I plugged it in at 1% battery on Sunday night around 9PM! I activated the low power mode at 20% when it prompted me. I checked today and after reading this thread you would think I have the TSMC chip. Nope, I'm running the Samsung. I have a screen shot of this if anyone needs to see it. I can also confirm that I have N66AP verified with the free Lirum app. I can also provide a screenshot of this if necessary.

I just wanted to comment on this because I believe that the Samsung might be better at standby and every day use. Its a smaller die size and based on Intel's die shrinks (and undeniable results) this makes sense. I can't wait to see these tests done with a large chunk of phones rather than 1 or 2.

You could easily have 2 more days of standby and 2 hours of usage with a TSMC chip

 

[alleggerita]

Okay in all honesty I have a 6s Plus with Samsung's 14nm chip. And I am getting the same battery life as my previous 6 Plus. Which means it's great. How do I gauge? I usually get 1 hour 20 mins of battery usage for the first 10 percent of battery life. I'll always check the moment my phone turns 89%. So for my 6s Plus I get 1 hour 27 mins consistently for first 10 percent of battery life. So I guess it's pretty rubbish that Samsung chip has lousier battery life.

I think it's a pretty good gauge because the things I do for the first 10% of battery life is pretty fixed. Check a few websites that I frequent, check my emails and reply some whatsapp and text.

 

[groovyd]

Looks like one has a Rogers SIM in it and the other has no SIM. This would account for a major difference in power consumption.

 

[h3nG]

I had a 6S and saw this thread a few days ago and didn't really care. Battery life was good so I didn't bother to check what I had.

I returned it and bought the 6S again due to better price/contract. The new one got noticeably warmer during restore process. After a day of light usage, I got down to 54% after work, compared to 65% or so as i would expect. Decided to check it out, and I have the Samsung. Not very scientific. But we use our phones so much, most of us can predict within 5% accuracy what our battery life will be based on usage and the app we're using. Standby life seems fine to me. But the drain is def faster under heavy usage, i.e. youtube etc.

I admit I don't know what I had before...but there's definitely two versions of the phones out there, one with better life. Too lazy to exchange, but Ill need to know how this lower battery life effects my daily usage. I think this affects the power users more than light users since the drain is most dramatic under heavy usage.

 

[h3nG]

Okay in all honesty I have a 6s Plus with Samsung's 14nm chip. And I am getting the same battery life as my previous 6 Plus. Which means it's great. How do I gauge? I usually get 1 hour 20 mins of battery usage for the first 10 percent of battery life. I'll always check the moment my phone turns 89%. So for my 6s Plus I get 1 hour 27 mins consistently for first 10 percent of battery life. So I guess it's pretty rubbish that Samsung chip has lousier battery life.

I think it's a pretty good gauge because the things I do for the first 10% of battery life is pretty fixed. Check a few websites that I frequent, check my emails and reply some whatsapp and text.

I agree, the first 10-20% is most noticeable to me. But even that there may be some minor variances depending on how long your phone has been fully charged but plugged. Your experience does suggest the samsung chip is the inferior chip as the 6S+ is supposed to be 20% longer lasting than the 6+.

 

[Max(IT)]

Hah, I remember when my new iPhone 4 arrived and if I held it in my left hand in a standard grip hold, it would drop the signal from 4-5 bars to 1 or usually no service. Holding it any other way or with their free 'case' they provided after it was fine.

I like millions others, didn't have to change the way I used my phone with iPhone 4

Yep, and in those 4 years none of the cell companies have installed new antennas right?
Max you are tripping. Badly. People keep all sorts of goods and services that cause them major woes and financial problems all the time. I know loads of people with iPhones that moan about batteries and don’t just go out and buy a new phone whether that be the same or alternative model. Millions of people have unreliable cars and soldier on with them, etc. etc. ….What are you taking?

I saw antennagate though I will admit it happened rarely to me. But in a low signal area I could force a drop call by holding the phone wrong whilst someone with a different handset next to me on the same network, (all company phones), were fine.

Man, I can’t help but ask myself if you are a deliberate shill.

New cell antennas due to iPhone 4 ? Lol, that's beyond ridiculous...
Apple demonstrated that in the right conditions every competitors could have the signal strength decreased.
iPhone 4 antenna wasn't the best on the market for sure, and with 4S they refined it, but there wasn't any Antennagate out of the forums.

In case you haven't noticed, people tend to keep their iphones when **** goes wrong. They just adjust their usage to make it work (bumper, hold it differently, etc). Doesn't mean there is not an issue. Look at the people in the iphone forum bitching about bad screens on their 6s+, how unacceptable this is, but not a single one is wiling to return it and get their money back. They'd rather complain and "deal with it" instead of voting with their wallets. So the fact that millions kept their phone doesn't mean the antenna worked as it should.

And this will be the same no matter what happens from more findings about the chip performance. But you are willing to call Antennagate bogus, but are sure jumping all over this with very little testing. Because Samsung. Again, hypocritical.

No, people don't keep unusable phones for years, and surely don't buy another from the same company.
iPhone 4 was sold for 4 years in a row and it is still used by millions without issues.
You are still using the forum and YouTube as a representation of the real world. The aren't. Here there are a vocal minority of complainers mixed with haters and very picky users that exaggerate every issue.

 

[Chengyang]

My gf has a samsung 6s. We went to Apple store today, and they told us the device is not suppose to be that hot and let us exchange for an new iphone right away in stonetown apple SF!!!

 

[ulyssesric]

I've told you so.

 

[BeanieMan]

Um, so I had a Nexus 5 before my 6S+. The nexus only got barely a day on a charge, but I've been getting easily 3 full days of use out of the 6S+, and I think I could go 4 if I tried. I'm right now at 60% after 2 full days. Is that good or bad for these phones? Sounds good compared to the Nexus, but it's kind of an apples to poop comparison.

EDIT: Just checked using app 'Lirum Device Info Lite' in the app store, and I seem to have the TSMC.

N66AP (6s plus) or N71AP (6s) - Samsung chip
N66MAP (6s plus) or N71MAP (6s) - TSMC chip

 

[mdlooker]

For some reason, I just feel better staying on my 6+.

 

[Asclepio]

so now people say :i have a SAMSUNG 6s or i have TSMC 6s, apple brand is destroyed.

 

[Serickmetz]

so now people say :i have a SAMSUNG 6s or i have TSMC 6s, apple brand is destroyed.

No no, We say "I have a 6s+ ". They say, "I have a Samsung 6s+ ".