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Turnout for iPhone 8 Launch in Australia 'Bleak' as Customers Hold Out for Upcoming iPhone X
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Sorry to say this, but I just wanna cry. 11 year old kid has iPhone 7+ and wants 8 and its ok?
Not to insult your parenting style or anything so I'll just say that my mum would never allow us to have such expensive things at that age and I hope to continue the same parenting as she gave us because I think it taught us values etc.
I don't mean to insult you (please don't get upset) but I just don't think its right.
Anyway, you have your style, I hope to have mine so we will agree to disagree and no harm is done.
Baffling though
I'm skeptical about the "folks waiting for the X" argument. I have everything Apple, including the new iPad Pro and Series 2 Watch, but I think the phone market has stabilized a bit. Outside of fanboys, most people aren't going to jump into a new phone and throw $1000 in just because it's there. I have an iPhone 6 and it does everything I need it to do. I was thinking I needed to upgrade because I was having the 10.3 battery drain problem, but iOS 11 seems to have fixed that. Now, I'll stick with my phone until it stops working and I need a new one. I'm thinking that describes most people these days. It's a "need" thing for the majority, whether it's a tablet, laptop, watch, or phone.
I don't think it's just people waiting for the X at all, in my experience most people I know are getting the 8/8plus as don't have deep enough pockets for the X. The lack of queuing is more due to the fact that people these days realise they can get them easily on launch day just by getting them delivered! Plus there is generally a feeling of people being 'over' the whole cult of queuing for a new iProduct.
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Oh I totally agree. I don't get it at all. When I was that age my parents would never dream of buying me a £700 gadget each year. And not sure what a child that age ends with a phone anyway. Again though, 'they all have one'.
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Oh I totally agree. I don't get it at all. When I was that age my parents would never dream of buying me a £700 gadget each year. And not sure what a child that age ends with a phone anyway. Again though, 'they all have one'.
Of course Apple are taking you all for mugs. They have been doing it for years.
It is good to see that people are waking up to the fact.
They are a business and their business is to extract as much money from your wallet as they can.
They have been drip feeding you. The iPhone X could have been done years ago but they wanted to milk the old design iPhone dry first.
I hope Apple does this every year. Release a 9, 9s, 10, 10s side by side to a new existing X2, X3, X4 so I can buy the less cool iPhone right away without any fuss. I am just glad this year I can buy the phone unconnected to a carrier from Apple Day 1 - I just hope in the future I can buy it from Best Buy day 1
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This I don't get. The biggest problem Apple faces is that phones have nearly peaked feature wise. From here on it very minor changes will appear and the premium they charge becomes less and less justified and they sink into smaller and smaller marketshare just like with laptops. High end Android phones are great - not for me - but they are great no question. The look and form of laptops don't change dramatically year to year. Why would the phone anymore?
The same thing was said last year about the Jet Black wouldn't sell becoz Apple only offer Jet Black at a higher rank model which is more expensive.
Jet Black was THE model become backorder globally due to high demand.
So...you point is?
You clearly don't have any important 32-bit apps or games, which is fine, but you can't expect that to also be true for everyone else.
Regarding developer support, it takes time and money to do that. For a free application, I can understand a developer either not paying to keep it up in the App Store, or not wanting to put in the time for updates, or both. Sometimes they abandon it to go work on other projects, despite it still being used by a small number of people.
I have three 32-bit games on my iPhone 6s that I didn't even realize were 32-bit until I installed iOS 10. It's not hard to maintain backwards compatibility, and only reprioritize those apps on the store to encourage the developers who are actively supporting to update them.
Original price was subsidized and on-contract, so not really comparable.
Yes, most people I know with an iPhone got it at least partly because they didn't want to spend a lot of time worrying about which model to get because of different features. It's easier to just choose size, color and storage.
True, right now they're all fairly boring slabs. Plus some good features disappeared in the name of "simplicity". (I still miss having an optical trackball beneath the touchscreen, to scroll around without having to move my thumb more than a fraction of an inch.)
But that doesn't mean there's nothing left. Holographic displays come to mind. And I think phones should be able to read your face and hand gestures and just plain be much smarter assistants.
The next big thing that most of us are realistically looking forward to, are phones with folding displays. Allowing a small pocketable item to flip out to a larger mini-tablet.
Absolutely, phone features/capabilities have peaked. Only the most frivolous will continue to buy full priced models year after year and beg to do so. Aside from the built in obsolescence of the phones (can't replace batteries, iOS updates slow you down year after year, etc) there is no reason to upgrade anymore.
Apple really needs to find the 'next big thing' because there just isn't anything great about the new phones that justifies a 600-1000 dollar outlay each year. Just as Apple has decreased attention on desktop systems and then laptop systems because they became rarely upgraded commodities, the same will happen to phones. They need something 'new' and they haven't found it. As an investor I hope they do, because iPhone profit dominance is a ticking time bomb.
That is exactly why I'm considering leaving iOS 10 on my 6S for as long as I can.
iOS 5 destroyed my 3GS.
iOS 7 destroyed my 4S.
iOS 8 destroyed my iPad mini.
That's part of Apple's planned obsolescence, to force you to upgrade your hardware where they make their money. You're generally good for two iOS updates after the release version. So people with 6s are ok to go to 11, but if you have a 6 or older I would stay put.
I have two kids (15yo, and 11yo). They both have an iPhone SE.
I wouldn’t buy them an iPhone 8/X, but there are many things to keep in mind. My 11yo is putting away money for the 2018 iPhone. He’s saving as much as he can, he asks for extra chores in exchange of money, last week he even gave up buying donuts to get 2 dollars. During summer he made quite a few bucks selling lemonade splitting 50/50 with our neighbor’s son (even cops were buying from them).
He’s also keeping track of it like an accountant on a sheet of paper with income and amount he needs to reach the goal. If he’s able to put away the money (and giving how much grandparents spoil my kids it’s not far fetched), would I let him buy a $1000 phone? Yes. The problem does not lie in the object. Don’t think that kids in school don’t watch crazy stuff on their friends’ phones.
Now, as a parent the iPhone also have considerable advantages, such as find my iPhone. I keep track of my 15yo, and I know what he buys, and I set restrictions. I know that other phones can do similar stuff, but on my iOS devices it’s so easy that I actually do it.
There’s much more to it.
heh, yeah, your style is passive aggressive.. exceedingly so.
if you were as virtuous as you'd like to make yourself out to be, why say anything at all?
further, as stated in response to another poster regarding this, you're making some false assumptions based off (i don't know exactly what)
I hate Samsung. Toxic waste pit of a company, why anyone supports that corruption is beyond me.
Don't retaliate with 'But...Samsung make Apple stuff.' Because I know. They're still a garbage company.
huh? today's phone is more powerful and functional than yesteryear's computer.. i had a computer as a child, you want to chastise me about that? or is that acceptable to you but a smartphone is not?
also, my child rides to school on the subway (or walks or takes the bus).. you can't understand why having a phone is beneficial in that case?
are you guys serious? or just uninformed? or living in the sticks? or what?
While it's commendable to instill in them the hard work to make money, turning around and letting them spend that money on something frivolous keeps them from learning the far more valuable lesson. Learning to save and invest their money rather than going right from making money to spending money. If instead they buy a 2 year old phone off swappa and save the rest of the money and invest it with the same vigor that they made the money then they're learning a far more valuable life lesson. I know way too many adults that make damn good money that live paycheck to paycheck because they never learned those lessons. If the kids can make good money and save and invest a chunk of it then maybe someday they'll have a down payment for a house and you can teach them the difference between appreciating and depreciating assets.
It would seem that iOS and certain features are limiting them. Much ado about homebutton and touch ID. 3D touch. The iphone X didn't really wow me other than I'd like an OLED screen. The rumored bigger OLED iphone with hopefully pencil support excites me more. I still haven't decided now if I'll go iphone X and keep the 7 Plus til then. Oct 27 is plenty of time to lose enough interest to not pull the trigger.
Well, unless you have never been to a restaurant, or a cafe, then I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Your assumption that an iPhone is frivolous is quite puzzling. In the US many schools communicate with students and parents with phones. Canvas is used by students and teachers. Grades and absences are sent to kids and parents. I literally just got a reminder that my kid has an algebra test on Monday. And so did my kid. all with a pdf attached. They use iPhones to communicate, study, and yes play. And don’t give me that crap of the better days gone by. 1960’s, 1970’s and 1980’s (to a lesser extent) kids spent hours a day in front a TV set watching ads over ads. In the 1990’s kids were talking about 90210 or Baywatch, now they talk about Egg Inc.
As for teaching the depreciating asset, he will learn about it when in 2019 he’ll try to trade in his phone. Next.
Heh. My 11 year old daughter likes the SE because it fits in pocket easier. She's really oblivious to any new iphone features as long as she can do her usual things on it. OLED? Huh? lol Her end of the bargain is doing well in school, no missed assignments, taking initiative, etc.
I said get a two year old phone on swappa, not get NO phone... reading comprehension would help some people too. Need to learn that lesson there.
Yes, I would let my kid do that too. If you save all your pocket money etc. then its up to you to purchase almost anything. It does teach the value and its not spoiling. What I'm against is the fact that kids these days have latest iPhone that are now close to £1000 and it seems that its the norm for many of them.
Yes, things changed and yes a kid needs to have a phone so the parent can have better control where they are, reach them etc. but that does not equate to a £1000 phone.
I think what you mentioned above is the right approach -> ie. want something better? save up and buy it yourself!
I know very well what you said. It’s still bull.
A two year old phone might not last two extra years, and it will have a reduced trade in/resale value. If he has the money, and if he earned the money, and invested the money, he’ll get what he wants.
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Yes, I would let my kid do that too. If you save all your pocket money etc. then its up to you to purchase almost anything. It does teach the value and its not spoiling. What I'm against is the fact that kids these days have latest iPhone that are now close to £1000 and it seems that its the norm for many of them.
Yes, things changed and yes a kid needs to have a phone so the parent can have better control where they are, reach them etc. but that does not equate to a £1000 phone.
I think what you mentioned above is the right approach -> ie. want something better? save up and buy it yourself!
Yep
We follow Dave Ramsey so cash flowing is the important concept to teach here.
