Certainly seems like a case of getting what you pay for! Thanks for the info.
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That has absolutely nothing to do with it being "reliable." Also, nothing in your chain (including the ATV4K) can take advance of 2.1 anyway. The Belkin cable provides absolutely nothing over the much cheaper Monoprice equivalent.
Has anyone had an issue with playback of 4K Warner brother content on the beta? All my other 4K movies play fine but anything that is Warner just plays HD even though it Labels it as 4K at the menu screen.
Has anyone experienced this at all? I’ve tested with The Lego Movie, all of the Harry Potter Series and Wonder Woman.
Has anyone experienced this at all? I’ve tested with The Lego Movie, all of the Harry Potter Series and Wonder Woman.
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Interesting on the Belkin lead. I did wonder why such an expensive lead apart from it being in an Apple store.
However I have a £3 cable rated Highspeed and a £6 rated Premium (as per HDMI certification program). Both work with my 4k bluray , BT Sport box (UK ISP streaming 4k sport from glass to glass) and the apple box feeding a TV that can only do HDR and Surround. The cable meets my demands.
https://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx
Pretty sure the Ultra was not on that sheet the other day?
Apple TV comes in at HDMI 2.0a. My cables fulfil that and I find that Apple selling the Belkin this way a bit not fair.
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However, back on topic, software running fine as far as I can tell. Not even trying to mess with the video settings any more.
However I have a £3 cable rated Highspeed and a £6 rated Premium (as per HDMI certification program). Both work with my 4k bluray , BT Sport box (UK ISP streaming 4k sport from glass to glass) and the apple box feeding a TV that can only do HDR and Surround. The cable meets my demands.
https://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx
Pretty sure the Ultra was not on that sheet the other day?
Apple TV comes in at HDMI 2.0a. My cables fulfil that and I find that Apple selling the Belkin this way a bit not fair.
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However, back on topic, software running fine as far as I can tell. Not even trying to mess with the video settings any more.
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I disagree. This is why 'it works' and why many people were having problems with their new ATV 4K before trying one of these leads. At the end of the day - it works. Surely 30dollars is not a lot of money to pay for a beautiful ATV 4K along with a nice TV considering it's a one time investment??? I really don't see the moaning. It surprises me that people pay the extra for quality Apple design and then even think of connecting it with a cheap lead. It's a bit like doing a super model, only to find that the person never showers or cleanses! ;')
I remember when I bought my first LCD TV in 2005, the dealer sold my QED Squart scart leads. Thy were expensive but you know what? 12 years on - perfect and I've never had a loose connection or anything. I remember those cheap scart leads alway coming loose on the TV.
I think people have an issue with it because of the sales pitch that often goes alongside it. Dealers or shop assistants can often push these leads on people claiming better and brighter colours, better shadow detail and a sharper picture. All of this is completely false of course. The cable carries a digital signal which is decoded by your tv and this data is used to create the picture. If the data fails to get there intact then you get fairly obvious problems like ‘sparklies’ or picture drop outs. The truth is that a cheap cable which carries the signal intact will produce an identical image to the cable which costs many times more.
Your analogy of the high quality scart cable is worth a mention. Scart carries an analogue signal and poor quality cabling absolutely could result in a degraded picture. When things were analogue it made complete sense to invest in high quality shielded cables as they made a tangible difference to picture quality. But this is no longer the case.
Think of it as being like an Xbox downloading a game from the internet. If you buy a high quality Ethernet cable, is the downloaded game going to be any different compared to it being downloaded with a cheap cable? Or is your printer going to print brighter pictures if you use a high quality usb cable? The answer to both is no. So long as the data gets there intact the image will be the same.
To recap...I’m sure the 30 dollar cable works very well but it works no better than the monoprice cables at a fraction of the price.
Hi,
I made use of the offering in tunes (2017 countdown) and bought a movie (La La Land). So this is the HD version with 5.1 multi channel. I was kind of disappointed as this does not playback with multi channel on my AVR.
I re-checked the audio behavior with Infuse on local content. It works.
The settings for audio: Maximum quality.
Anybody with the same experience. Any suggestions? I read in the beginning of tvOS 11 it helped in such case to disable quick start (setting for the iTunes movie App), but that didn't made a difference.
Frank
I made use of the offering in tunes (2017 countdown) and bought a movie (La La Land). So this is the HD version with 5.1 multi channel. I was kind of disappointed as this does not playback with multi channel on my AVR.
I re-checked the audio behavior with Infuse on local content. It works.
The settings for audio: Maximum quality.
Anybody with the same experience. Any suggestions? I read in the beginning of tvOS 11 it helped in such case to disable quick start (setting for the iTunes movie App), but that didn't made a difference.
Frank
My guess is Tuesday. I think they rushed through the iOS release because of the 2nd December bug. It’s very unusual for new updates to be released at the weekend.
I’m guessing it’s because 4K @ 60hz + HDR can = 17.xxGbps, which is close to the max of previous cables...and
Is it possible 120Hz is in future plans for ATV 4K? The same processor in iPad Pro does 120Hz....
Is the problem with audio or video?
appleTV does not pass audio through. In your setting it will decode it to max quality your AVR can handle. Should be PCM multichannel 5.1 with your source.
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Hello,
The problem is only with audio. What you wrote is exactly my expectation. But it does not work like this.
Frank
What are you getting?
You coud enforce output into Dolby Digital 5.1 in audio settings if your AVR has trouble with PCM multichannel or does not report it in EDID.
Hi,
I am getting only Stereo, the receiver is not decoding any sound format.
Forcing the Apple TV from the audio settings (maximum quality -> Dolby Digital 5.1) changes the situation, the receiver switches to decoding 5.1. But this is not my expectation. The setting (also all recommendation) should be maximum quality.
I have two ideas on that:
1) the audio from iTunes movies is buggy (as it has been some updates before)
2) the movie has no multichannel included (but it says so)
Frank
Can not subscribe to either, works on my setup. Check your AVR’s EDID if it declares PCM multichannel support to aTV.
You can not expect anything but PCM from aTV in the “best quality” setting. Whether it is 2.0 or 5.1 or 7.1 depends on capabilities your AVR declares in EDID.
I don't if that refers to my problems, if so: There is audio when changing form icon on the main folder. What do you mean with folder?
[doublepost=1512334705][/doublepost]A) Experiment: Setting for audio is again "best quality"
1) Infuse (player set to pass through for audio):
File: The Martian, it has several audio options:
DTS-HD-MA
DTS
Dolby Digital
Result: the receiver decodes what ever the audio track is, so all three above
2) iTunes movies:
File: La La Land, two audio options
Result: In both cases just PCM stereo
B) Doing the same for audio "5.1 Dolby Digital"
1) Infuse (player set to pass through for audio)
same behavior
2) iTunes Movies
La La Land audio decodes to Dolby Digital
For scenario B) : I can live with that setting, since Infuse overrules the setting, I don't know how netflix would behave with that setting (no active subscription right now). Might be ok ... but I still have the impression that the audio is not multi channel, which comes with iTunes in the audio track, but it is blasted off to 5.1. Possible, that I am wrong. But I don't understand why you have to for aTV to 5.1 kind of.
The reason I am questioning this: If I change my model from buying BR to buying content in iTunes I want to have similar audio quality. Therefore I am checking especially on that.
Frank
Sorry, it was a a question tapped on a iPad so lazy in composure.
If I go into the movies folder (where you select and buy), I get the Audi bing between icons. Same for tv shows. But not for a created folder. But the search select will.
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Apple TV does output it’s multichannel sound as 5.1 or 7.1 pcm and it shows as PCM on my amplifier. I’m wondering if it’s a limitation of your amp that you’re only getting 2 channel PCM rather than multichannel PCM?
This is what I referred to with my suggestion to investigate EDID of the AVR (assuming it has HDMI inputs).
You can take a peek at mine here. It shows clearly that my AVR supports Linear Pulse Code Modulation (LPƒ), on 8 channels.
Also, once Infuse passes audio bitstream through to HDMI, the tvOS settings won't matter any more. Apple's media player is bypassed by Infuse completely, if I'm not mistaken.
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Correct. Infuse uses it's own video player and send the bitstream direct to the receiver. The Apple Video player decodes on the ATV and then sends a PCM 5.1/7.1 stream to the receiver. On my Yamaha I get PCM 7.1 when watching iTunes and Dolby Digital when watching Infuse. Netflix also uses the ATV player so also sends PCM.
Personally I would prefer if the iTunes player sent Bitstream, but Apple decided they needed to multiplex their Siri and sound effects and thats why they decode on ATV and then send the decoded PCM stream to the receiver. I'm curious how they intend to support Atmos, since that will NEED to be a bitstream to the receiver since only the receiver can do the object based decoding for Atmos. However I have a horrible feeling they're going to try and re-encode the ATMOS on the ATV.
Because the $3 monoprice cables work just as well.
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Sort of. Infuse and ATV can bitstream Dolby Digital. Infuse will take DTS-MA HD and Dolby TrueHD and decode them and send PCM.
Apologies if this has been answered before:
If you have an Apple TV 4K and a 1080p TV, can you still do 24hz @ 1080 with the latest update?
If you have an Apple TV 4K and a 1080p TV, can you still do 24hz @ 1080 with the latest update?